January 2023 Transfer Window

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

OK....I couldn't help myself. His actual words were "people will see that we have some really exciting announcements to make over the next few weeks both on the commercial side and on the football side in terms of people  we are bringing in that we really, really believe that can take this club forward". Interpret that what how you will. Depends on whether your glass is half full or half empty I guess

That reads to me like it's off-field appointments which probably highlights where their priorities lie. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

10 minutes ago, saintant said:

Is that why he doesn't use the two players we've signed already? Madness.

If he really said that, then he and the owners can just fuck off now. 

[InvictaSaint]

36 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's how I read it too, it was including the appointments of Boss and Wilcox.

Listened to it again this morning and you’re spot on both of you. It’s Boss and Wilcox he’s referring to (before both were announced) as he referenced “the commercial side and the footballing side”. Neither of them is going to score the goals to keep us up. 

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That reads to me like it's off-field appointments which probably highlights where their priorities lie. 

We’ve brought in a new director of football and an excitingly a new commercial officer. I for one have never been more excited.

[Daft Kerplunk]

1 minute ago, InvictaSaint said:

Listened to it again this morning and you’re spot on both of you. It’s Boss and Wilcox he’s referring to (before both were announced) as he referenced “the commercial side and the footballing side”. Neither of them is going to score the goals to keep us up. 

So one is going to help run the shop properly, review hospitality, and vet the work of multiple commercial directors and heads of departments who don’t do much of anything. The other is someone who won’t be able to make much difference if he isn’t given the opportunity to bring in better coaches etc. and it’s a longer term project anyway. 

Certainly not exciting. Might be better than what we had, certainly on the commercial side, but if we don’t stay up, they’ll all be out if a job because the money won’t be there any more. 

Rearranging the deckchairs whilst the ship is sinking vibes. Success in football is based on 11 players beating 11 other players regularly enough, and doing so in a way that is entertaining/successful enough for fans to pay to watch, for sponsors to want to be associated with it, and media companies to want you on their channels. Everything else is window dressing. We need a CF at the very least. 
 

 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

We’ve brought in a new director of football and an excitingly a new commercial officer. I for one have never been more excited.

If only they'd come in earlier, we could have had at least another three more groundbreaking light shows and posted every season ticket holder a red and white jester hat. Opportunity missed. 

[Badger]

19 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Fundamentally all the recruitment issues are on SR. They hung Ralph out to dry in the summer, and if they fail to deliver goals this January I'm not blaming anyone but SR. 

Absolutely, blame begins and ends with Semmens, Rasmus etc. Poor recruitment of players, and a huge gamble on the critical managerial appointment. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

37 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

fuck off he did not say that? Incredible! 

What do you want him to say. ‘This lot are shite, I need to get new players in asap”? Basically the Redknapp approach. If he has to work with what he’s got now come Feb, you’d be the first slagging him off for running them down. 

[Badger]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We’ve brought in a new director of football and an excitingly a new commercial officer. I for one have never been more excited.

How long will Willcox be here ?

Have to wonder if starting afresh in the Championship matches his ambition, or if on reflection come May he'll decide that 'the wife and kids don't want to move south after all..'

[Badger]

22 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That reads to me like it's off-field appointments which probably highlights where their priorities lie. 

Yeh, when are they going to get the catering right ?

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What do you want him to say. ‘This lot are shite, I need to get new players in asap”? Basically the Redknapp approach. If he has to work with what he’s got now come Feb, you’d be the first slagging him off for running them down. 

Something like: 

"we've got some great attackers here and we know that the January window is difficult but our priority is bringing in an attacker to help those who are already here. We would have liked someone in already but the board have assured me that they are doing everything they can to make this happen." Saying he's happy with what we have or that there's no one available who would improve us is absolutely ridiculous, particularly when Ings has just been sold to West Ham (assuming we didn't actually try hard to sign him as reported.) You can't seriously believe that he'd actually rather work with what he knows? Firstly he's only known them a few weeks and secondly he should know enough about them already to know that they aren't premier league level. 

Edited 22 January, 2023 by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If only they'd come in earlier, we could have had at least another three more groundbreaking light shows and posted every season ticket holder a red and white jester hat. Opportunity missed. 

Light shows have been done. I’m buzzing to see what Mr Boss has in store for us for the rest of the season. 

[Edmonton Saint]

Could Ballard or Morgan do any worse ? Maybe it’s time to have a look at some of the younglings and see if they can help. I mean they can’t literally do any worse than our current strikers.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 minutes ago, Edmonton Saint said:

Could Ballard or Morgan do any worse ? Maybe it’s time to have a look at some of the younglings and see if they can help. I mean they can’t literally do any worse than our current strikers.

Get McGoldrick in the team FFS

[daldridge7]

53 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

OK....I couldn't help myself. His actual words were "people will see that we have some really exciting announcements to make over the next few weeks both on the commercial side and on the football side in terms of people  we are bringing in that we really, really believe that can take this club forward". Interpret that what how you will. Depends on whether your glass is half full or half empty I guess

In my opinion this was definitely in regards to the appointments of Wilcox (football) and Boss (commercial). 

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

This out of context looks bad but what he had also said is they are still looking to add a couple more, right back wasn’t a priority, that they were looking for added potency or power up front but wouldn’t commit to whether it was a someone who could play across the front or a traditional 9. This quote was from a question that was if we didn’t get any forwards in, would he be happy with what he has. Jones then basically says they are good lads and they are only going to add quality that improves options, otherwise they might as well make the most out lf what they’ve got. 

[Saint Billy]

To be honest, it already felt like SR were preparing for the championship when they brought in Jones. So, announcing off field new appointments which will have no impact on the pitch at this moment in time makes me wonder.

Why the hell they would do that I don’t know.

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, InvictaSaint said:

Listened to it again this morning and you’re spot on both of you. It’s Boss and Wilcox he’s referring to (before both were announced) as he referenced “the commercial side and the footballing side”. Neither of them is going to score the goals to keep us up. 

Jesus Christ, I hope that Boss and Wilcox have a detailed plan of what to do when their revenue stream and talent pool is reduced by 80% come the summer.

[Miltonaggro]

51 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Light shows have been done. I’m buzzing to see what Mr Boss has in store for us for the rest of the season. 

Unless it involves refunds and glory holes in the gents he’s fucked! 

[miserableoldgit]

If this is really what he said, I give up!

[egg]

5 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

If this is really what he said, I give up!

Editing loses the context...basically he said that if we can't get better then he has good lads and he'd rather just work with what we have. Nothing wrong with that. 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Saint Billy said:

To be honest, it already felt like SR were preparing for the championship when they brought in Jones. So, announcing off field new appointments which will have no impact on the pitch at this moment in time makes me wonder.

Why the hell they would do that I don’t know.

The idea that Jones was brought in with the Championship in mind is poppycock. We'd only played 14 of 38 league games. You may have given up at that point, but SR most certainly hadn't.

[Chez]

59 minutes ago, egg said:

Editing loses the context...basically he said that if we can't get better then he has good lads and he'd rather just work with what we have. Nothing wrong with that. 

yep. He's saying if the five or six striker they identified as being good enough can't be got, which it sounds like they can't, then let's not spend £20m on another Carillo. Not good news though, as it sounds like we can't the guys we want.

[washsaint]

What a bunch of completely wet fannies on here.  Using any reason to give stick to Jones (without knowing the context rather than 1 line) - yesterday we played OK and are much tighter at the back.

Everyone knows we need a striker - and needed one last summer and last season - but good strikers do not grow on trees.

It's  shame it may be a season too early for the likes of Morgan and Ballard - but we will likely need them in the Championship next year.

For the last 18 months this club has been in dire straits and those berating Jones for 1 win in 6: how many did we win previously?  It won't get turned round overnight (or at all unless we find a good goal scorer).  But even then, we just don't create many chances and this is where the real problem lies.

For me, Tella would be a far better option than Edozie.  We tried to be too cute in the summer re. signings and did not get the balance between experience and promise right.

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Editing loses the context...basically he said that if we can't get better then he has good lads and he'd rather just work with what we have. Nothing wrong with that. 

Yeah and that's exactly right, but I think most peoples argument is that if the club cannot find better strikers than Adams, Armstrong and an inexperienced Mara then the scouting setup needs dismantling overnight.

[SonicBoom]

Maybe SR have a 5 or 10 year plan and they think they can accommodate a year in the championship, and that their investment in players with potential will play off and we'll come straight back up. 

To me young players with potential is great. We get to see them develop and we get a big pay day when they move, but unfortunately our established players are either not good enough or are not performing. We desperately need some experienced players who perform consistently - or we're going to get relegated with a whimper.

[hypochondriac]

27 minutes ago, washsaint said:

What a bunch of completely wet fannies on here.  Using any reason to give stick to Jones (without knowing the context rather than 1 line) - yesterday we played OK and are much tighter at the back.

Everyone knows we need a striker - and needed one last summer and last season - but good strikers do not grow on trees.

It's  shame it may be a season too early for the likes of Morgan and Ballard - but we will likely need them in the Championship next year.

For the last 18 months this club has been in dire straits and those berating Jones for 1 win in 6: how many did we win previously?  It won't get turned round overnight (or at all unless we find a good goal scorer).  But even then, we just don't create many chances and this is where the real problem lies.

For me, Tella would be a far better option than Edozie.  We tried to be too cute in the summer re. signings and did not get the balance between experience and promise right.

Oh yes it's the fans fault for being completely unrealistic for expecting us to sign one good striker in the past year. 

[Pilchards]

22 minutes ago, washsaint said:

What a bunch of completely wet fannies on here.  Using any reason to give stick to Jones (without knowing the context rather than 1 line) - yesterday we played OK and are much tighter at the back.

Everyone knows we need a striker - and needed one last summer and last season - but good strikers do not grow on trees.

It's  shame it may be a season too early for the likes of Morgan and Ballard - but we will likely need them in the Championship next year.

For the last 18 months this club has been in dire straits and those berating Jones for 1 win in 6: how many did we win previously?  It won't get turned round overnight (or at all unless we find a good goal scorer).  But even then, we just don't create many chances and this is where the real problem lies.

For me, Tella would be a far better option than Edozie.  We tried to be too cute in the summer re. signings and did not get the balance between experience and promise right.

Yes we know the club needs a striker but we are getting the vibes they think we already have two good ones already at the club and they are satisfied with them.

Of course many of us have become wet fannie’s as we see the bloody obvious but the management don’t.

A clinical striker, a decent keeper plus if you buy players then put them in the team and not use the usual dross that has put us bottom of the league in the first place.

Just a side line, Adams has been giving it how wonderful Jones is and maybe that’s our problem as Jones is too scared to drop the usual guys as they have his back. Just my thoughts!

[Chez]

13 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

Yes we know the club needs a striker but we are getting the vibes they think we already have two good ones already at the club and they are satisfied with them.

I don't get those vibes at all. I get the vibes that we are struggling to get the attackers we want.

Jones' is clearly not going to throw the two he has under the bus before securing replacements. 

[miserableoldgit]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

Yeh, when are they going to get the catering right ?

Still no radio station or insurance company......?

[Saintscummer]

31 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

Yes we know the club needs a striker but we are getting the vibes they think we already have two good ones already at the club and they are satisfied with them.

Of course many of us have become wet fannie’s as we see the bloody obvious but the management don’t.

A clinical striker, a decent keeper plus if you buy players then put them in the team and not use the usual dross that has put us bottom of the league in the first place.

Just a side line, Adams has been giving it how wonderful Jones is and maybe that’s our problem as Jones is too scared to drop the usual guys as they have his back. Just my thoughts!

Maybe they are saying what we have is okay so other clubs don’t think we utterly desperate ( which we are ) ? Anyone possibly thought of that ? Or he wants to give our current two some backing for confidence. 
 

it’s funny as when I was growing up and watching Lineker, Cottee etc I remember them missing as many chances as they scored. We don’t actually create a lot for Adams. Yeah misses ‘easy’ chances like at wolves and forest but he doesn’t get three or four chances a game. 

[Wade Garrett]

5 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

Maybe they are saying what we have is okay so other clubs don’t think we utterly desperate ( which we are ) ? Anyone possibly thought of that ? Or he wants to give our current two some backing for confidence. 
 

it’s funny as when I was growing up and watching Lineker, Cottee etc I remember them missing as many chances as they scored. We don’t actually create a lot for Adams. Yeah misses ‘easy’ chances like at wolves and forest but he doesn’t get three or four chances a game. 

What about the one v Burnley last season when he missed from virtually the goal line.  His finishing is absolute dogshit.  He needs 20 chances to score 1.

[hypochondriac]

17 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

Maybe they are saying what we have is okay so other clubs don’t think we utterly desperate ( which we are ) ? Anyone possibly thought of that ? Or he wants to give our current two some backing for confidence. 
 

it’s funny as when I was growing up and watching Lineker, Cottee etc I remember them missing as many chances as they scored. We don’t actually create a lot for Adams. Yeah misses ‘easy’ chances like at wolves and forest but he doesn’t get three or four chances a game. 

Firstly it's not like another club is going to listen to what he says and not know that we are very clearly in desperate need of a striker. Secondly even if that is the case, it's along the same lines to what Ralph was saying in the summer towards the end of the window whereas he said we would be getting someone in prior to that. On balance, it's less likely to be some clever tactic trying to secure a signing and more about not getting in a top striker. 

You're standards are incredibly low if you think Adams is good enough. If we had Ings leading the line instead would we have scored fewer goals or more? 

[Saintscummer]

14 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

What about the one v Burnley last season when he missed from virtually the goal line.  His finishing is absolute dogshit.  He needs 20 chances to score 1.

So he has scored 8 goals this season. So he has had 160 chances ?? Really ???

[egg]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Yeah and that's exactly right, but I think most peoples argument is that if the club cannot find better strikers than Adams, Armstrong and an inexperienced Mara then the scouting setup needs dismantling overnight.

I suspect they can find better, but it's not just about identifying players. The selling club needs to sell at a price we can pay/are willing to pay. Then we've got to persuade a player to join a relegation battle, with potentially lower league football thereafter. 

[the saint in winchester]

17 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

SR, 

Please buy a GK, a winger and a striker as soon as possible.

Regards
Southampton fan base

SR,

Please pause negotiations over incoming players, and tell Jones to play them or be fired. We are buying players better than we have already, yet the buffoon leaves them on the bench for 80 minutes. No point buying any more players until someone tells him they are eligible to play as soon as they join, not 6 weeks later!

[the saint in winchester]

9 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

SR - please, please, please, don't bother to buy any more players.  There really doesn't seem any point in spending millions and millions of pounds on new players if we are just going to continue playing the same old shit players.

Aaah, seems I'm not alone in my criticism of Jones ignoring the new players.

[derry]

Firstly Adams hasn't scored eight goals in the Premier League. maybe four. Secondly if we want a striker/s then stop messing about do what West Ham has done act decisively and stop trying to haggle until the Window is closed. WHU signed Ings in two days and according to the French press have signed Moffi from Lorient for £21m. So much for our piddling offer. No wonder we were blown out of the water. If we want players get in and do a deal because we sure as hell can't continue with Adams and Armstrong.

[Dellman]

4 minutes ago, derry said:

Firstly Adams hasn't scored eight goals in the Premier League. maybe four. Secondly if we want a striker/s then stop messing about do what West Ham has done act decisively and stop trying to haggle until the Window is closed. WHU signed Ings in two days and according to the French press have signed Moffi from Lorient for £21m. So much for our piddling offer. No wonder we were blown out of the water. If we want players get in and do a deal because we sure as hell can't continue with Adams and Armstrong.

The trouble is, you are talking about other people's money. Remember the hostility to Cortese on this site when he spent Marcus' money (well spent too).

[OttawaSaint]

Just get the fucking striker we need and stop with all this "£20M on a non scoring winger that the manager probably won't even play" talk.

Every £ that goes on an unnecessary player takes away from what we could put towards someone decent. 

All this "we're not prepared to meet their £30M valuation".

Well if you didn't spunk £12M here or there you'd have it you planks!

[derry]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Yeah and that's exactly right, but I think most peoples argument is that if the club cannot find better strikers than Adams, Armstrong and an inexperienced Mara then the scouting setup needs dismantling overnight.

I heard a concerning thing if true about our scouting. It was that we have a bunch of graduates with Sports Degrees on computers scouting. No wonder if that's true we are signing mostly trash. 

It's not rocket science, pace, non negotiable, Strength, non negotiable, a cool football brain, non negotiable, two footed, non negotiable, skills such as tackleing, heading,  shooting as appropriate to position, non negotiable and above all courageous. It doesn't take much watching to pick out what's wrong with most of our players. Defenders, one footed, slow, poor in the air and just stupid how did that happen.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Yeah and that's exactly right, but I think most peoples argument is that if the club cannot find better strikers than Adams, Armstrong and an inexperienced Mara then the scouting setup needs dismantling overnight.

Exactly. The attitude from some appears to be "well its difficult to get good players so you can't really blame the club." I think Semmens got exactly what he was hoping for at the fans forum with coments like that. We are just lucky to be in the Premier league that we are much too small for anyway so if we don't get players in its just too difficult to try to compete. Signing good players that are an improvement on what we had is their entire Jon and they are paid handsomely to do it. If they don't do it successfully then the fans have every right to complain, particularly if some positions aren't addressed at all for an extended period. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

I’m looking forward to SR’s spin when we get relegated having spent £150m on all these “gems”. 
🤣

[Wade Garrett]

38 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

So he has scored 8 goals this season. So he has had 160 chances ?? Really ???

Probably.  Even the offside one yesterday was an embarrassing effort.  It’s like he’s got his boots on the wrong feet.

[Wade Garrett]

17 minutes ago, derry said:

I heard a concerning thing if true about our scouting. It was that we have a bunch of graduates with Sports Degrees on computers scouting. No wonder if that's true we are signing mostly trash. 

It's not rocket science, pace, non negotiable, Strength, non negotiable, a cool football brain, non negotiable, two footed, non negotiable, skills such as tackleing, heading,  shooting as appropriate to position, non negotiable and above all courageous. It doesn't take much watching to pick out what's wrong with most of our players. Defenders, one footed, slow, poor in the air and just stupid how did that happen.

Probably vaping hipster twats wanking over xG stats.

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Probably vaping hipster twats wanking over xG stats.

It would explain a lot.

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

Unless it involves refunds and glory holes in the gents he’s fucked! 

Hopefully the free tampons in the ladies loos won’t fall foul of cost cutting when we are relegated 

[miserableoldgit]

Notice we have Dehydration Centres now though.....

[OttawaSaint]

28 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Probably vaping hipster twats wanking over xG stats.

That's exactly stay these dork prats are doing. 

Player 1: 22M for 8.85xG = 2.48 goals per million quid

Player 2: 17M for 6.15xG = 2.76 goals per million quid.

Ooooh player 2 is better value. Gets here from the French league, takes 2 strides gets immediately dispossessed and bullied off the ball. Then gets the ball and panicks because he doesn't want to get rocked again, loses ball.

Hmm, I guess xG means something different in the EPL compared to France...

[Badger]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Hopefully the free tampons in the ladies loos won’t fall foul of cost cutting when we are relegated 

Will you make it your mission to go in and check ?

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Badger said:

Will you make it your mission to go in and check ?

It’s my mission to get them to answer me as to why they aren’t also in the men’s toilets