January 2023 Transfer Window

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, a1ex2001 said:

I haven't said that what I have said is that all this talk of if we put the Aribo etc money in the striker pot then there is no guarantee we would have a striker any better than Che, yes we clearly need a new striker and I'm disappointed we haven't added one but it's not easy and busting the budget is no guarantee of success we are clearly trying to get players in it's just a question of timing and the right player at the right price there is certainly no point blowing the budget just for the hell of it people seem to quickly forget the Carrillo example!   

I'm not going to forget.

Ever.

[Francis1947]

13 minutes ago, thornhill_saints said:

HMS Hermes - My late father was also on that around that time - Anthony Bull - Tony 

Hello thornhill saints

I'm afraid I cannot remember anyone of that name at the time. May I ask what branch of the Navy was your Father in ?

When I joined Hermes in 1967 I was one of quite a few Midshipman who were transferred there on our first deployment. To any rank on the carrier we were young " Snotties ", the traditional name given by the Navy to very young Midshipman who knew nothing and were very wet behind the ears !

I think the thinking was that as the Hermes was the largest ship in the Navy at the time, we would do the least amount of harm.

She still was a large ship with a big compliment. Hermes was in her last years of being a Catobar carrier with fixed wing aircraft. The main ones being Buccaneers. 

I was only on her for a matter of months and .....I think in 1970....all her gear was removed and she became  a Commado carrier carrying a compliment of Royal Marines and Sea King helicoptors. 

I hope you have very fond memories of your Dad. One of the chosen Few ! 

 

[thornhill_saints]

21 minutes ago, Francis1947 said:

Hello thornhill saints

I'm afraid I cannot remember anyone of that name at the time. May I ask what branch of the Navy was your Father in ?

When I joined Hermes in 1967 I was one of quite a few Midshipman who were transferred there on our first deployment. To any rank on the carrier we were young " Snotties ", the traditional name given by the Navy to very young Midshipman who knew nothing and were very wet behind the ears !

I think the thinking was that as the Hermes was the largest ship in the Navy at the time, we would do the least amount of harm.

She still was a large ship with a big compliment. Hermes was in her last years of being a Catobar carrier with fixed wing aircraft. The main ones being Buccaneers. 

I was only on her for a matter of months and .....I think in 1970....all her gear was removed and she became  a Commado carrier carrying a compliment of Royal Marines and Sea King helicoptors. 

I hope you have very fond memories of your Dad. One of the chosen Few ! 

 

Pictures I saw with my dad on Hermes it had all the full guns etc, so well before your time you (Sprog) he did go to some reunions in Plymouth about 15 - 20 years ago

As I'm Ex Army - The name I used for my father was a "Golden Rivett Boy" not Midshipman, I don't know why he did like that at the time 😉

He was a Ship Steward for this entire career - (Flyer a)  

I think this thread should have been moved to a different one, because it seems everyone is hoping for a BIG Striker...... lol  80M+ is they only price for a decent one these days, I'm lead to believe... 

 

 

 

Edited 20 January, 2023 by thornhill_saints

[davefizzy14]

Sounds like this one could be happening next week :-

 

[Francis1947]

19 minutes ago, thornhill_saints said:

  

I think this thread should have been moved to a different one, because it seems everyone is hoping for a BIG Striker...... lol  80M+ is they only price for a decent one these days, I'm lead to believe... 

I agree. I think this thread should end. 

Apologies to the many here who have been mightily bored by all this. 

 

19 minutes ago, thornhill_saints said:

 

 

 

[Chez]

linked to Ousmane Diomande from Midtjylland

 

 

 

 

[woodsaint1]

45 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

Sounds like this one could be happening next week :-

 

The same journo is also hinting at Hjulmand

[davefizzy14]

5 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

The same journo is also hinting at Hjulmand

Yes I saw that too, interesting.

[ErwinK1961]

Who is Luca Bendoni and how reliable is he?

[derry]

For anybody interested Tella playing for Burnley, 0-1 v WBA on Sky Sports. Sheff Utd v Hull (1-0) on EFL Sheff Utd. The Hull CF we are linked with looks pretty ordinary. I'm watching both games at the moment.

[Toadhall Saint]

29 minutes ago, Chez said:

linked to Ousmane Diomande from Midtjylland

 

 

 

 

CB

[woodsaint1]

7 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Who is Luca Bendoni and how reliable is he?

Works with Gianluca DiMarzio, SkySport Italy. No idea on the reliability but he seems to report on alot on italian/european transfers

[SuperSAINT]

 

[Jazzfunk]

Jeremy Doku only makes the bench for Rennes this evening in a Coupe de France match against Olympique Marseille. Doesn't mean owt of course. 

[derry]

Tella with another cracker, Typical Adams miss one on one situation but Tella ice cool had a look at full pace and smashed it across the keeper into the bottom corner. We're looking at all and sundry but we have a gem and don't appreciate it.

[Pilchards]

Just now, derry said:

Tella with another cracker, Typical Adams miss one on one situation but Tella ice cool had a look at full pace and smashed it across the keeper into the bottom corner. We're looking at all and sundry but we have a gem and don't appreciate it.

It’s crazy as he never wanted to leave, in tears I heard but now he don’t want to come back.

I personally think he should have no choice as he contracted to us. Maybe we see this as an opportunity to cash in on him when Burnley get promoted. I bet they only pay 15m and we will muggly take it.

 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

It hasn't really, Indiana in his presser said he wants more clinical/quality players in attack and said the club dosen't have a preference where in attack CF/Wing

If we spend a load of money on a non-scoring attacking midfielder like Jackson and we don't strengthen sufficiently by signing a striker which it appears is what we may be doing, then it will be what I said. 

[Streaky]

15 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

It’s crazy as he never wanted to leave, in tears I heard but now he don’t want to come back.

I personally think he should have no choice as he contracted to us. Maybe we see this as an opportunity to cash in on him when Burnley get promoted. I bet they only pay 15m and we will muggly take it.

 

Think it's a season long loan and unable to cut short per agreement.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Anyone fancy a few Juventus players? They’ve just been handed a fifteen point deduction, their season is effectively over. 😂

Edited 20 January, 2023 by FarehamSaintJames

[Smirking_Saint]

5 hours ago, The Juice said:

Come on, my guy. Anyone watching Saints across the last few years will note that Broja is a far superior player to Che. More direct, more physical, better feet, more pace. You can’t exclusively use goals to minutes ratio to reflect the effectiveness of attacking players (of course, it is part of the conversation)

I accept that Broja may not be the answer to the current predicament (not that he is an option, of course) but to suggest Che should be considered in preference is ridiculous. 

Exactly this………. which is why Id pick Che over him

Che is much better in the build up phase than Broja, occupies defenders better, not sure how you believe Broja is more physical either

Broja has better composure.. that’s basically it really

He really is, other than a purple patch a very average striker imho and I think Chelsea will regret not taking WHU’s 30m offer because he isn’t worth it

[pimpin4rizeal]

It’s pretty worrying how blind the board are being with the transfers.. so we are willing to spend 20 m on ANOTHER winger/ten but are shopping in the 2m pound basement for the striker.. it’s absolutely batshit 

[FarehamSaintJames]

24 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Exactly this………. which is why Id pick Che over him

Che is much better in the build up phase than Broja, occupies defenders better, not sure how you believe Broja is more physical either

Broja has better composure.. that’s basically it really

He really is, other than a purple patch a very average striker imho and I think Chelsea will regret not taking WHU’s 30m offer because he isn’t worth it

Completely agree. Said similar some months bank. Broja was good but he was never world class, he was just better than what we had at the time and as you say had a purple patch that coincided mid-season when our form was good.

He still played consistently til the end of the season and went missing for the final ten games. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Dusic]

8 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

It’s pretty worrying how blind the board are being with the transfers.. so we are willing to spend 20 m on ANOTHER winger/ten but are shopping in the 2m pound basement for the striker.. it’s absolutely batshit 

Presumably they feel our budget allows for a bigger upgrade in the wide areas than it would get us in the striker position where there are few good options for a reasonable price. Wolves paying nearly £45m for Cunha and Leeds £35m on Rutter are good examples of that.

Clearly they are trying to add goal threat in attack. Does it matter if that comes from a central striker or a player who starts in a wider position?

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Presumably they feel our budget allows for a bigger upgrade in the wide areas than it would get us in the striker position where there are few good options for a reasonable price. Wolves paying nearly £45m for Cunha and Leeds £35m on Rutter are good examples of that.

Clearly they are trying to add goal threat in attack. Does it matter if that comes from a central striker or a player who starts in a wider position?

Maybe I’m wrong but personally I don’t think Jackson will come in and be a weekly starter.. you can tell Jones loves moi, and we have Orsic who looks absolute class plus edozie who’s a great prospect.. I think Jackson is being bought as another young prospect.. but we are bottom of the league need a striker and need players for now not the future 

[verlaine1979]

35 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Exactly this………. which is why Id pick Che over him

Che is much better in the build up phase than Broja, occupies defenders better, not sure how you believe Broja is more physical either

Broja has better composure.. that’s basically it really

He really is, other than a purple patch a very average striker imho and I think Chelsea will regret not taking WHU’s 30m offer because he isn’t worth it

Che's build up is okay, but it only stands out in contrast to the utter paucity of his finishing and anticipation in the box.

He's moderately good at some things and terrible at others. Broja was (before his injury) very good at being incredibly fast and strong and was a better than average finisher. All three of those qualities IN ISOLATION are more valuable than anything Che is good at.

[Dusic]

5 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Maybe I’m wrong but personally I don’t think Jackson will come in and be a weekly starter.. you can tell Jones loves moi, and we have Orsic who looks absolute class plus edozie who’s a great prospect.. I think Jackson is being bought as another young prospect.. but we are bottom of the league need a striker and need players for now not the future 

But what if they feel they can get a wide forward for now who is better than our other wide forwards or a striker who is the same as our other main striker?

[Chez]

 

15 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Completely agree. Said similar some months bank. Broja was good but he was never world class, he was just better than what we had at the time and as you say had a purple patch that coincided mid-season when our form was good.

He still played consistently til the end of the season and went missing for the final ten games. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Just as well we had Che firing in those last ten games otherwise we might have struggled. Oh. 

[woodsaint1]

4 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Presumably they feel our budget allows for a bigger upgrade in the wide areas than it would get us in the striker position where there are few good options for a reasonable price. Wolves paying nearly £45m for Cunha and Leeds £35m on Rutter are good examples of that.

Clearly they are trying to add goal threat in attack. Does it matter if that comes from a central striker or a player who starts in a wider position?

Just shows how January is a sellers window. Would be gutted if we paid that sort of money for either of those players

[pimpin4rizeal]

9 minutes ago, Dusic said:

But what if they feel they can get a wide forward for now who is better than our other wide forwards or a striker who is the same as our other main striker?

Like I just said I don’t think Jackson will walk into this team past Orsic moi and edozie.. think they see potential in him but in a rough diamond way..

do you think he will come streight in and start over Orsic moi and edozie then ?

[hypochondriac]

There we go then. Setting us up for signing a non scoring winger and suggesting that's job done for the strikers. 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

57 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Exactly this………. which is why Id pick Che over him

Che is much better in the build up phase than Broja, occupies defenders better, not sure how you believe Broja is more physical either

Broja has better composure.. that’s basically it really

He really is, other than a purple patch a very average striker imho and I think Chelsea will regret not taking WHU’s 30m offer because he isn’t worth it

It's his potential that makes him worth £30m. He's obviously not the finished article but when he turns it on he looks world class

[Chez]

3 hours ago, derry said:

For anybody interested Tella playing for Burnley, 0-1 v WBA on Sky Sports. Sheff Utd v Hull (1-0) on EFL Sheff Utd. The Hull CF we are linked with looks pretty ordinary. I'm watching both games at the moment.

how did Sander Berge look?

Edited 20 January, 2023 by Chez

[woodsaint1]

All this talk of how much we need to spend etc, yet there hasnt been much talk about using our remaining loan option (apart from Jackson which Villareal turned down). Chelsea are bound to be open to a loan come the windows end

[Disco Stu]

Getting worried we're not going to get a centre forward now. It was number one priority last summer and we failed to do it. If we don't get one this window, we'll suffer from all of the same issues we've had in the first half of this season. Nathan Jones can only get so much out of this squad without a finisher to lead our front line. We won't have enough to stay up.

Edited 21 January, 2023 by Disco Stu

[verlaine1979]

2 hours ago, derry said:

Tella with another cracker, Typical Adams miss one on one situation but Tella ice cool had a look at full pace and smashed it across the keeper into the bottom corner. We're looking at all and sundry but we have a gem and don't appreciate it.

Commentators on the highlights said he's now top scorer for Burnley. Since they're running away with the Champ and are top scorers in the league, there's clearly goals all over the side, which also possibly explains why Tella's numbers don't look impressive compared to Che and AA. Some of his finishes this season look to have been very tidy. Armstrong had some decent finishes in his YT clips before we signed him, but it should've been obvious to anyone scouting Che that he doesn't know how to kick a football.

[saintscottofthenortham]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

There we go then. Setting us up for signing a non scoring winger and suggesting that's job done for the strikers. 

NJ added to this, that they won't be buying anybody for the sake of it. They want to "add potency, be that a 9, 10 or whatever". He then reaffirmed the previous quote regarding coming out of every window stronger than how we started it. It was a far more positive statement than it has generally been quoted as.

[hypochondriac]

30 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

NJ added to this, that they won't be buying anybody for the sake of it. They want to "add potency, be that a 9, 10 or whatever". He then reaffirmed the previous quote regarding coming out of every window stronger than how we started it. It was a far more positive statement than it has generally been quoted as.

My thoughts are if our primary focus was getting in a striker he would have said that. Saying something like we might get a striker in or a wide player and that we have two good strikers at the club already does not fill me with confidence thst we are going all out to address our main problem. 

[SotonianWill]

8 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

There we go then. Setting us up for signing a non scoring winger and suggesting that's job done for the strikers. 

or he dosent want to put them down by having their own manager call them shit in claiming a need to replace them (though that is the case). he didn’t bring up number nine he was directly asked and clearly defending them? maybe i’m wrong but that’s how I see this. 

[Convict Colony]

12 hours ago, Chez said:

linked to Ousmane Diomande from Midtjylland

 

 

 

 

I just watched a youtube on him and am actually impressed by his potential, he is very fast, seems to love defending and loves a goal.

[Convict Colony]

Have to say i am not going nuts about not having a new striker by end of the window, what i want is more goals coming from the team as a whole.

I am happy enough with Mara and Che scoring 6-10 goals each a season if our strategy is to increase the goals from wide men and midfielders as that has been our biggest delta since Mane and Tadic etc. 

If our tactic is to have more clinical wide men and midfielders who can score then i'm all onboard especially since those guys will have the ball more during a match and can get in more positions than a striker, especially on the transition which Jones is trying to get us on more with aggressive pressing and direct passing.

I just think its easier for teams to defend strikers as they will always know where they will be on the pitch but harder for wide men and attacking midfielders especially on the transition.

Hopefully this new batch will change that, starting with smashing villa today.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Think the club is resigned to not signing a proper decent CF this window…there’s no suitable name out there available and in our price range. That’s ideally a player between 21 and 26 with high level league experience - big money even in the summer window.  So Jones is needing to setup expectations based on Che and Mara being the key players. Arma isn’t seen as forward, but a wide player it seems.

I also think the Villa game will be a big indicator of what Jones can do with the two new players at his disposal and so also the subsequent need or otherwise for more additions this window in the forward positions. Suspect Tella has told Jones he’s not coming back, but I could be wrong. There are definite vibes around a replacement right back, as it seems we’ll not be seeing Tino back anytime soon…probably not this season.

[Toussaint]

31 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Have to say i am not going nuts about not having a new striker by end of the window, what i want is more goals coming from the team as a whole.

I am happy enough with Mara and Che scoring 6-10 goals each a season if our strategy is to increase the goals from wide men and midfielders as that has been our biggest delta since Mane and Tadic etc. 

If our tactic is to have more clinical wide men and midfielders who can score then i'm all onboard especially since those guys will have the ball more during a match and can get in more positions than a striker, especially on the transition which Jones is trying to get us on more with aggressive pressing and direct passing.

I just think its easier for teams to defend strikers as they will always know where they will be on the pitch but harder for wide men and attacking midfielders especially on the transition.

Hopefully this new batch will change that, starting with smashing villa today.

My thoughts exactly, there is a notion out there that we are going to find another Grazziano (even he took a while to get going) that has slipped under everyone else’s radar, that seems really unlikely in these times.

[a1ex2001]

3 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

My thoughts exactly, there is a notion out there that we are going to find another Grazziano (even he took a while to get going) that has slipped under everyone else’s radar, that seems really unlikely in these times.

We might well find another one but they key point is we have as much chance of finding one for 15 million as we do 30 and for every Pelle you’ll have to endure a carillo a che and a few failed youngsters!

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, derry said:

Tella with another cracker, Typical Adams miss one on one situation but Tella ice cool had a look at full pace and smashed it across the keeper into the bottom corner. We're looking at all and sundry but we have a gem and don't appreciate it.

Adam Armstrong also looked like Danny Ings in the Championship. Perhaps this loan has helped Tella develop, which is the plan with loans. As to whether he can deliver this form in the EPL, that is not a given and only time will tell.

[Harry_SFC]

Maybe the board are relying on Jones getting more out of the forward players we already have.

To be fair moving JWP further forwards is helping us. I'll be shocked if Orsic doesn't chip in with a few and Mara can finish although I'm yet to be convinced by his all round game.

It's certainly risky.  

[derry]

11 hours ago, Streaky said:

Think it's a season long loan and unable to cut short per agreement.

There is a recall clause in the loan agreement confirmed by Kompany after Christmas.

[OldNick]

I didnt watch the end, and assume he scored but the bit I did watch he looked just ok and will be easily bullied in the PL at present. Just my opinion of course

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

11 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Maybe the board are relying on Jones getting more out of the forward players we already have.

To be fair moving JWP further forwards is helping us. I'll be shocked if Orsic doesn't chip in with a few and Mara can finish although I'm yet to be convinced by his all round game.

It's certainly risky.  

I would use the word stupid rather than risky.

So obvious we needed a striker in the summer. We didn't get one in. We are now bottom of the league. Ah well, we can at least rectify this in the Jan window. I stupidly was expecting the ducks to be lined up and us pulling the trigger on a striker the first few days of the window. We could have had Ings for a couple of games already for example. Just don't get it. I'm not brains of Britain and I know I have simplified the situation, but sometimes the simplest solution is the best solution?

[derry]

10 hours ago, Chez said:

how did Sander Berge look?

I was really watching the Hull CF. SU were on top but it wasn't a great watch. I didn't really pay too much attention as nobody really stood out. I was paying more attention to how Tella was playing. He wasn't outstanding but made some decent runs and his movement was good but his goal was class, in his own half, spotted the break coming, between centre and right touchline, stayed onside, waited for the through ball and burned the defender giving him a little time to look up and check the keeper before hitting it hard across the keeper into the opposite corner.

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

I would use the word stupid rather than risky.

So obvious we needed a striker in the summer. We didn't get one in. We are now bottom of the league. Ah well, we can at least rectify this in the Jan window. I stupidly was expecting the ducks to be lined up and us pulling the trigger on a striker the first few days of the window. We could have had Ings for a couple of games already for example. Just don't get it. I'm not brains of Britain and I know I have simplified the situation, but sometimes the simplest solution is the best solution?

It's monumentally stupid. Why spend millions in other areas of the pitch where the need is not as great and then go two windows without addressing our fundamental problem? It makes no sense.