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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Absolutely. If we hadn't bothered with Larios and Aribo in the summer we would have a lot more disposable income now for the one position we badly need. 

But all you are really saying here is that if we hadn't spent money on crap signings we'd of have more to spend on good signings. 

We needed a decent left back and more creative attacking options. It's not signing players in those positions thats the problem, it's who we signed.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

But all you are really saying here is that if we hadn't spent money on crap signings we'd of have more to spend on good signings. 

We needed a decent left back and more creative attacking options. It's not signing players in those positions thats the problem, it's who we signed.

 

 

 

 

What I'm saying is that they were lower priority signings. Maybe if we'd put all our efforts into signing a centre forward then we would have increased our chances of getting one. 

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So tomorrow is the last league game before the transfer window slams shut.

A win would likely get us out the bottom three, which would obviously be more appealing to prospective new players. But might it persuade the suits in charge that recruitment is less urgent? If we're doing ok without a big name striker, then maybe we don't need one?

 

It's a curious situation...

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23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

What I'm saying is that they were lower priority signings. Maybe if we'd put all our efforts into signing a centre forward then we would have increased our chances of getting one. 

Fair enough. If we had signed no other players, just a centre forward, we'd of have a line up, something like:

McCarthy

KWP Salisu Bednarek Perraud

Ely Romeu JWP Armstrong

Adams New centre forward

Bench: Caballero, Lyanco, Stephens, Djenepo, Tella, Diallo, Armstrong, Walcott

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10 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Are you sure DT is Alpine Saint?????? Im sure Alpine had a better judgement of a player lol 

A lot of similarities. Endlessly negative, if there is a list of players we could be in for always suggesting the one which is the most unrealistic as the one we have to get, only appears on a match day when we lose.

alpine was funny though, his threads were good. My favourite post was when he put some utter bollocks on then tried to pretend his kid had logged into his account and posted it whilst he had gone down downstairs 

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13 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Ings now confirmed by West Ham.. £12m rising to £15m if WH stay up. 

Seems good business to me but apparently he wasn't high on our list of targets so hopefully we have a rabbit in our hat somewhere 

On the West Ham site they say he is a senior England International.. did I miss something 🤔 

https://www.whufc.com/news/west-ham-united-sign-striker-danny-ings

 

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2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Fair enough. If we had signed no other players, just a centre forward, we'd of have a line up, something like:

McCarthy

KWP Salisu Bednarek Perraud

Ely Romeu JWP Armstrong

Adams New centre forward

I didn't say he was the only signing we should have signed, simply that it was clearly a choice to hold out in the summer in the hope that we would get players who then didn't want to sign. Personally I'd have prioritised getting a striker in possibly of a lower quality than those who rejected us anyway but it would have plugged a massive gap and clearly we could have got someone in who was superior to what we already have. All this is just words at the moment though as we've only got just over a week left of this window and we still haven't got one in. 

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15 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Ings now confirmed by West Ham.. £12m rising to £15m if WH stay up. 

Seems good business to me but apparently he wasn't high on our list of targets so hopefully we have a rabbit in our hat somewhere 

If true that he wasn't high on our list, they better hope we get in someone better... 

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16 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Ings now confirmed by West Ham.. £12m rising to £15m if WH stay up. 

Seems good business to me but apparently he wasn't high on our list of targets so hopefully we have a rabbit in our hat somewhere 

A bargain.  Unless his form has dipped significantly that's the sort of business that I would have been very happy with.  Proven at this level.  

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1 minute ago, Manuel said:

A bargain.  Unless his form has dipped significantly that's the sort of business that I would have been very happy with.  Proven at this level.  

A bargain if he kept us up and any one else we sign doesn't. WHU pay massive wages and as he is a mercenary that's where he will go. Dont believe he is a Saints fan or some kind of local hero as he isn't, he's only interested in No 1

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

I didn't say he was the only signing we should have signed, simply that it was clearly a choice to hold out in the summer in the hope that we would get players who then didn't want to sign. Personally I'd have prioritised getting a striker in possibly of a lower quality than those who rejected us anyway but it would have plugged a massive gap and clearly we could have got someone in who was superior to what we already have. 

You kind of did though:

28 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

 Maybe if we'd put all our efforts into signing a centre forward then we would have increased our chances of getting one. 

Going for less quality players because you know you can get them doesn't sound like a great plan to me. Besides, we got the lower quality forward - it was Mara. Everyone forgets about that signing because he hasn't worked out yet. If he has been the nuts, how many would be saying "yeah, we got this brilliant young striker but we've never replaced Ings." 

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23 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Ings now confirmed by West Ham.. £12m rising to £15m if WH stay up. 

Seems good business to me but apparently he wasn't high on our list of targets so hopefully we have a rabbit in our hat somewhere 

Has anyone at the club actually said that?

If so, fair enough, but otherwise, how do you know we didn't table exactly the same bid but failed because he chose West Ham over us?

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8 minutes ago, Chez said:

You kind of did though:

Going for less quality players because you know you can get them doesn't sound like a great plan to me. Besides, we got the lower quality forward - it was Mara. Everyone forgets about that signing because he hasn't worked out yet. If he has been the nuts, how many would be saying "yeah, we got this brilliant young striker but we've never replaced Ings." 

In what way is holding out for a top player that we don't get which leaves us with a gaping hole in the squad all season and possibly relegates us preferable to understanding that we may have to set out sights slightly lower to get someone achievable? Mara is r anywhere near the quality required but it's not simply a choice between not in any way suitable at the moment or signings that don't want to sign for us because they're too good as you are well aware. We need a replacement of the quality of Ings or at minimum Broja. That's obvious. 

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20 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

The Jackson rumour is not going away and there are suspiciously few other teams linked I think, so seems like this guy is the next young player Jones/Semmens are intent on risking our Prem status to sign. Having said that it’s all gone a bit quiet and so I don’t think there’ll be fireworks and a big reveal tomorrow!  Will a result against Villa see the foot come off the proverbial pedal - it wouldn’t surprise me?

I don’t really understand the furore around Jackson, he is quite obviously an extra wide attacker and unlikely to be our striker option because if we can see he isn’t a No.9 it I seriously doubt anyone at the club has looked at his as a striking option considering his skillset

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4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

In what way is holding out for a top player that we don't get which leaves us with a gaping hole in the squad all season and possibly relegates us preferable to understanding that we may have to set out sights slightly lower to get someone achievable? Mara is r anywhere near the quality required but it's not simply a choice between not in any way suitable at the moment or signings that don't want to sign for us because they're too good as you are well aware. We need a replacement of the quality of Ings or at minimum Broja. That's obvious. 

We obviously signed Mara believing he was good enough at this level or we wouldn't have signed him. We did exactly what you just said we should do: set our sights lower. But now you are saying we shouldn't have set our sights lower, we should have signed a better quality striker. 

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10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

In what way is holding out for a top player that we don't get which leaves us with a gaping hole in the squad all season and possibly relegates us preferable to understanding that we may have to set out sights slightly lower to get someone achievable? Mara is r anywhere near the quality required but it's not simply a choice between not in any way suitable at the moment or signings that don't want to sign for us because they're too good as you are well aware. We need a replacement of the quality of Ings or at minimum Broja. That's obvious. 

Well you can stop bringing Ings to te conversation as he is now at WHU, as for Broja he is lying around recouperating somewhere. He has not pulled up trees in the games he played this season and towards the end of his time with us had lost his zip.

Any forwards worth their salt are playing for the top sides and any others are a risk. WHU spent a fortune on that Italian and he hasnt fired, so what if we do the same just to appease?

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

We obviously signed Mara believing he was good enough at this level or we wouldn't have signed him. We did exactly what you just said we should do: set our sights lower. But now you are saying we shouldn't have set our sights lower, we should have signed a better quality striker. 

You honestly believe we signed Mara to be our main centre forward Ings replacement to lead the line and possibly replace Adams? Don't be ridiculous I know that you know that's absurd. 

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Well you can stop bringing Ings to te conversation as he is now at WHU, as for Broja he is lying around recouperating somewhere. He has not pulled up trees in the games he played this season and towards the end of his time with us had lost his zip.

Any forwards worth their salt are playing for the top sides and any others are a risk. WHU spent a fortune on that Italian and he hasnt fired, so what if we do the same just to appease?

What on earth are you talking about? Are you saying that in the past year there hasn't been a single suitable striker in our price range that wouldn't have been better than what we have and at least comparable to ings or Broja? 

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9 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

You've really got to laugh at these guys. West Ham and Forest go out and get proven Premier League quality, and yet we are looking at some guy from the Turkish League, who looked in the games that I saw in the World Cup, utter shite. 

Chris Wood is not a what we need ffs.

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

What on earth are you talking about? Are you saying that in the past year there hasn't been a single suitable striker in our price range that wouldn't have been better than what we have and at least comparable to ings or Broja? 

Who has come in for other lower PL clubs who really has done well in the under 20m price bracket that we should have got?

Im surprised noone has gone for Sarr at Watford, powerful aggressive front man

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You honestly believe we signed Mara to be our main centre forward Ings replacement to lead the line and possibly replace Adams? Don't be ridiculous I know that you know that's absurd. 

Ings left 2.5 years ago. Mara replaced Broja, who replaced Ings - and that worked out, so maybe Mara would work too. It hasn't. 

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Who has come in for other lower PL clubs who really has done well in the under 20m price bracket that we should have got?

Im surprised noone has gone for Sarr at Watford, powerful aggressive front man

If we got someone in who had a similar impact to someone like Broja then id be more than happy but I'd expect us to be paying 25-30 million for our main striker which should be able to get us someone better than what we have at the moment and improve us. It's not my job to suggest potential targets that's for the club to sort out but it's clearly achievable. They only have to be better than Mara or Adams. 

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44 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Seems good business to me but apparently he wasn't high on our list of targets so hopefully we have a rabbit in our hat somewhere 

Welcome back to TalkSport, with moments to go before the window SLAMS shut. I'm Jim White and I...one moment, over to St Mary's...where the Saints have signed...um...a Mr Rabbit....Well paw printed, if not signed.

Some will no doubt question Mr Rabbit's small stature, dazed expression and ears that may give an unfair advantage when defending corners. Some may see this as a desperate move, despite the fetching hat Che Adams brings Mr Rabbit out in. But when has Saints' decision to follow their own path, despite the risk,  ever gone wrong....oh...

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2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Ings left 2.5 years ago. Mara replaced Broja, who replaced Ings - and that worked out, so maybe Mara would work too. It hasn't. 

Well if you truly believe that Mara was the replacement for Broja then I really worry about the club and their sanity. Mara was clearly a young player with a bit of potential that replaced Long's position in the team, hence why he hasn't played much. 

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8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree but he's better than what we have at the moment. 

I honestly don't even think he is. And even if he was slightly better, he's still a very limited dinosaur of a player, excelling at hold up play only. I prefer Che's work rate and mobility, and i don't think there is any real difference re goal return.

Newcastle fans think he was terrible business as well and are desperate to get rid of him. Says it a lot tbh.

We've got Mara, Che, and AA as strikers. They offer mobility and a combination of strength and pace - but for finishing, a poor return. Chris Wood might be better at physical duels than Che but honestly i think that is it. And, for me, there is just no point spending significant money on that position unless it comes with a significant upgrade - Chris Wood is not that!

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2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree but he's better than what we have at the moment. 

so lets get this straight, Chris Wood is a lump of a striker who relies on long balls up to him, or bustling around the box, with little mobility. Our fanbase fell to pieces as we were perceived to have a manager who played the long ball. That was not right and we had meltdown, you now want us to have that player who fits into that style of football!! Can you see the madness of this?

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The Moussa one would be a weird one, given that he's signed a new contract, but if anything it shows the nonsense of him being given one in the first place as we're searching around for better wide players this window. I can imagine he will be surplus soon.

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Well if you truly believe that Mara was the replacement for Broja then I really worry about the club and their sanity. Mara was clearly a young player with a bit of potential that replaced Long's position in the team, hence why he hasn't played much. 

Mara was signed to replace Broja, not Long (who didn't need to be replaced - proven by the fact we could send him out on loan for half a season) the difference is Broja worked out straight away. 

Actually, my mistake, Broja wasn't signed to replace Ings, Armstrong was. Another situation where we aimed lower (as you suggested) to ensure we got someone in, but that didn't work out.

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

Mara was signed to replace Broja, not Long (who didn't need to be replaced - proven by the fact we could send him out on loan for half a season) the difference is Broja worked out straight away. 

Actually, my mistake, Broja wasn't signed to replace Ings, Armstrong was. Another situation where we aimed lower (as you suggested) to ensure we got someone in, but that didn't work out.

Can you really not see the difference between aiming lower than an unrealistic signing and aiming as low as someone like Mara to be our main striker? You can't possibly think that the club thought that's what they were buying when they brought him in? Absolutely nobody in the fanbase thought that was what was happening at the time. I know you're not stupid. 

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11 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I honestly don't even think he is. And even if he was slightly better, he's still a very limited dinosaur of a player, excelling at hold up play only. I prefer Che's work rate and mobility, and i don't think there is any real difference re goal return.

Newcastle fans think he was terrible business as well and are desperate to get rid of him. Says it a lot tbh.

We've got Mara, Che, and AA as strikers. They offer mobility and a combination of strength and pace - but for finishing, a poor return. Chris Wood might be better at physical duels than Che but honestly i think that is it. And, for me, there is just no point spending significant money on that position unless it comes with a significant upgrade - Chris Wood is not that!

Signing a relegation rivals best Striker that effectively sent them down wasn’t horrendous business imo

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3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The Moussa one would be a weird one, given that he's signed a new contract, but if anything it shows the nonsense of him being given one in the first place as we're searching around for better wide players this window. I can imagine he will be surplus soon.

Lorient are going to be able to afford a Premiershp player on his wages - which you would assume were healthy as its a second contract. 

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14 minutes ago, OldNick said:

so lets get this straight, Chris Wood is a lump of a striker who relies on long balls up to him, or bustling around the box, with little mobility. Our fanbase fell to pieces as we were perceived to have a manager who played the long ball. That was not right and we had meltdown, you now want us to have that player who fits into that style of football!! Can you see the madness of this?

I agreed that he wasn't what we needed. I don't want us to sign him. 

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