hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 hour ago, egg said: They had Firminho hitting the net if they didn't. It's a bizarre notion that we can carry on with a shit striker if the wide players are decent. It seems obvious that we need all of them to be decent and capable of scoring. The point is that at the moment we don't have a central striker. It's not that we even have someone who isn't good or out of form, we have no one. At the start of the summer and the start of this window everyone knew that's what we needed and then as the window goes on and we don't have that, everyone starts making excuses or pretending that we really needed something else. If it gets to the end of the window and we haven't secured a quality striker to lead the line the other it will be another failure and actually incredible when you consider it was of critical importance in the last window too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: The point is that at the moment we don't have a central striker. It's not that we even have someone who isn't good or out of form, we have no one. At the start of the summer and the start of this window everyone knew that's what we needed and then as the window goes on and we don't have that, everyone starts making excuses or pretending that we really needed something else. If it gets to the end of the window and we haven't secured a quality striker to lead the line the other it will be another failure and actually incredible when you consider it was of critical importance in the last window too. I don't follow that we don't have someone. We have Adams and Armstrong, but neither are good enough. I'm with you on the point that people seem to be talking themselves into feeling that we can make do with wingers cutting in and rely on them for goals. Bollox to that - even if our wide men score goals, we still need someone through the middle who won't waste the chances he gets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, egg said: I don't follow that we don't have someone. We have Adams and Armstrong, but neither are good enough. I'm with you on the point that people seem to be talking themselves into feeling that we can make do with wingers cutting in and rely on them for goals. Bollox to that - even if our wide men score goals, we still need someone through the middle who won't waste the chances he gets. I don't consider either of them central strikers to lead the line (and in fact Armstrong has been much better on the left.) Glad you agree with the rest though, the narrative changes from some the later we get in the window and people try to talk themselves into how the window is actually brilliant rather than leaving glaring holes in the squad once again which is lacking quality. It was the same in the summer when people were laughed at for pointing this out but it's actually been plainly obvious for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Just now, hypochondriac said: I don't consider either of them central strikers to lead the line (and in fact Armstrong has been much better on the left.) Glad you agree with the rest though, the narrative changes from some the later we get in the window and people try to talk themselves into how the window is actually brilliant rather than leaving glaring holes in the squad once again which is lacking quality. It was the same in the summer when people were laughed at for pointing this out but it's actually been plainly obvious for months. Yeah, they're not line leaders at all, but do play through the middle. Jones system would really have suited Broja. It's someone like that I'd like - pace, power, size, and able to finish. It's looking like we'll get another wide player though, and some people will persuade themselves that goals only need to come from wingers, and that Che is suddenly some kind of creative genius and his shit finishing doesn't matter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Hate to say it but why are we buying Jackson when we have Tella doing so well on loan? Seems like money would be better spent on other positions. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Just now, Saint IQ said: Hate to say it but why are we buying Jackson when we have Tella doing so well on loan? Seems like money would be better spent on other positions. Valid point - Tella seems to have been forgotten lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, Saint IQ said: Hate to say it but why are we buying Jackson when we have Tella doing so well on loan? Seems like money would be better spent on other positions. In The Championship. The same league Adams and AA both did far better than Tella in. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: I don't consider either of them central strikers to lead the line (and in fact Armstrong has been much better on the left.) Glad you agree with the rest though, the narrative changes from some the later we get in the window and people try to talk themselves into how the window is actually brilliant rather than leaving glaring holes in the squad once again which is lacking quality. It was the same in the summer when people were laughed at for pointing this out but it's actually been plainly obvious for months. Adams is a capable centre forward with respect to hold up and link play - especially if he has 2 inside forwards/wingers and midfield runners in support. But his finishing (or more to the point, composure) is badly lacking. AA does alright on the wing in fairness, but yes he isn't a striker. We've added goals to the team with Orsic and getting JWP back up the pitch. Perhaps upgrading the wing with Jackson will give us enough? But i agree, its a bit risky. I am not at all convinced that spending £20-25M on another winger will add significant value over Ely, AA, Edozie, S.Armstrong, Aribo etc. Whereas i feel spending £20-25M on an upgraded CF would make a notable difference. Saying all that, i reckon Mara has got something about him. I've always been impressed by his movement and sharpness, it would be interesting to see him being given a run of games - although I admit that is risky given the situation. Edited 19 January, 2023 by Saint86 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said: In The Championship. The same league Adams and AA both did far better than Tella in. They also both did better than Michael Olise in the Championship. Not sure Palace would be up for a swap though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, Saint IQ said: Hate to say it but why are we buying Jackson when we have Tella doing so well on loan? Seems like money would be better spent on other positions. Loan with an option to buy perhaps. Beyond that I've no idea what we've seen in Jackson - other than his 45 minutes and a run against our keystones cop defence - to shell out on him. If he was such a gem, you'd have thought Emery would be busting a gut to get him to Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: In The Championship. The same league Adams and AA both did far better than Tella in. Tella is doing pretty well for a winger... Edited 19 January, 2023 by Saint86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 5 hours ago, Pilchards said: Rather strange as he was staying in the Potters Heron and stormed out after we charged him for breakfast. Nathan said he would pay it for him but it never changed his mind. He started muttering he was going to Bournemouth instead. Time to let this one go! Oh for a signing worthy of a Potters Heron unveiling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, Saint86 said: Adams is a capable centre forward with respect to hold up and link play - especially if he has 2 inside forwards/wingers and midfield runners in support. But his finishing (or more to the point, composure) is badly lacking. AA does alright on the wing in fairness, but yes he isn't a striker. We've added goals to the team with Orsic and getting JWP back up the pitch. Perhaps upgrading the wing with Jackson will give us enough? But i agree, its a bit risky. I am not at all convinced that spending £20-25M on another winger will add significant value over Ely, AA, Edozie, S.Armstrong, Aribo etc. Whereas i feel spending £20-25M on an upgraded CF would make a notable difference. Saying all that, i reckon Mara has got something about him. I've always been impressed by his movement and sharpness, it would be interesting to see him being given a run of games - although I admit that is risky given the situation. Exactly. You can't convince me that spending 20 million of our relatively meagre budget on a wide player is the best use of the funds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Aboubakar to Besiktas. Not sure we were interested but he was mentioned on here at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Exactly. You can't convince me that spending 20 million of our relatively meagre budget on a wide player is the best use of the funds. That £20m should be the two-thirds of a CF .... unless of course we've got one coming as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 (edited) Antonio now linked with Everton. Can see that one happening, cheap for Everton. Chelsea have had a £55m bid rejected for Moises Caicedo. What is going on at Chelsea?! Absolute mess of a club right now. Can imagine a bunch of their 16-20 year olds will be having interesting conversations with their agents atm. Edited 19 January, 2023 by Saint Garrett 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 42 minutes ago, Saint IQ said: Hate to say it but why are we buying Jackson when we have Tella doing so well on loan? Seems like money would be better spent on other positions. Because Tella didn't want to come back (allegedly) and on a season long loan that is his perogative. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 hour ago, egg said: Yeah, they're not line leaders at all, but do play through the middle. Jones system would really have suited Broja. It's someone like that I'd like - pace, power, size, and able to finish. It's looking like we'll get another wide player though, and some people will persuade themselves that goals only need to come from wingers, and that Che is suddenly some kind of creative genius and his shit finishing doesn't matter. Spot on summary. Brojaesque is what is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 30 minutes ago, Badger said: That £20m should be the two-thirds of a CF .... unless of course we've got one coming as well. Indeed. My expectation was we'd spend something like 25 million on a top striker this window. If we do this in addition to any other signings then fair enough but the fact it hasn't happened already is a failure of sorts already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 24 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: Antonio now linked with Everton. Can see that one happening, cheap for Everton. Chelsea have had a £55m bid rejected for Moises Caicedo. What is going on at Chelsea?! Absolute mess of a club right now. Can imagine a bunch of their 16-20 year olds will be having interesting conversations with their agents atm. I reckon most of their youth prodigies will have careers like Lucas Piazon. Loaned out year after year, stagnant growth and underwhelming careers. Chelsea are a shit show all round. Gung-ho management. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Sorry, but WTF are we doing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, DT said: Sorry, but WTF are we doing? I’m having a poo. No idea what you’re doing. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, DT said: Sorry, but WTF are we doing? it’s ridiculous all summer and now 3 weeks in the window and no sign of a centre forward it should have been sorted for 1st Jan 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 9 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said: Spot on summary. Brojaesque is what is required. Didn't West Ham bid over 30m for Broja in the summer? The going rate for pace, height, power and finishing is... above our price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Troussard to Arsenal is a weird win. I feel this signing is happening just because they feel they need to add someone to their squad after the long term pursuit of Mudryk was hijacked by Chelsea. He’s a brilliant player but it just seems a little rushed and “keep the fans happy” type signing. Not sure where he’ll fit in, just squad depth really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Troussard to Arsenal is a weird win. I feel this signing is happening just because they feel they need to add someone to their squad after the long term pursuit of Mudryk was hijacked by Chelsea. He’s a brilliant player but it just seems a little rushed and “keep the fans happy” type signing. Not sure where he’ll fit in, just squad depth really. Gabriel Jesus is injured they only have Nketiah and he at times looks bad like Sunday v Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Give it to Ron said: Gabriel Jesus is injured they only have Nketiah and he at times looks bad like Sunday v Spurs Surely it’s a striker they need then? A bit like Man United, and Chelsea, …… and us…! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Troussard to Arsenal is a weird win. I feel this signing is happening just because they feel they need to add someone to their squad after the long term pursuit of Mudryk was hijacked by Chelsea. He’s a brilliant player but it just seems a little rushed and “keep the fans happy” type signing. Not sure where he’ll fit in, just squad depth really. Have to say I disagree. Skilful and quick. Creative. Finishes..Fits the way they play totally. And cheap in the scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Noni Madueke going to Chelsea from PSV. Another English FIFA/FM career hero for me who I always hoped we’d sign 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 8 minutes ago, Le Timmier said: I’m having a poo. No idea what you’re doing. I'm reading a series of shit players we are linked with. So similar. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Are they young? Yes? Let's buy them. But they're shit, boss. It doesn't matter. They're young. Let's buy them. We might be able to sell them for more if they get better. But we need to score goals to stay in the division, boss. Don't be silly. We're unbeaten, these last three games. We'll be fine. Just buy that bloke. He's young. Ok boss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 For those dissing Haji Wright he has at least scored more goals than Weghorst this season. Obvs knows how to score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 minute ago, DT said: Are they young? Yes? Let's buy them. But they're shit, boss. It doesn't matter. They're young. Let's buy them. We might be able to sell them for more if they get better. But we need to score goals to stay in the division, boss. Don't be silly. We're unbeaten, these last three games. We'll be fine. Just buy that bloke. He's young. Ok boss. You’re losing your sh*t over conversations happening in your own head. It’s becoming tiresome, give it a rest. 11 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 6 minutes ago, DT said: Are they young? Yes? Let's buy them. But they're shit, boss. It doesn't matter. They're young. Let's buy them. We might be able to sell them for more if they get better. But we need to score goals to stay in the division, boss. Don't be silly. We're unbeaten, these last three games. We'll be fine. Just buy that bloke. He's young. Ok boss. What is this? 🤔🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said: Didn't West Ham bid over 30m for Broja in the summer? The going rate for pace, height, power and finishing is... above our price range. It wouldn't have been if we hadn't been so wasteful. The millions we spent on a tiny youth team left back could have been added to a striker budget, ditto Aribo. That's £15m down the tubes. Edited 19 January, 2023 by egg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, egg said: It wouldn't have been if we hadn't been so wasteful. The millions we spent on a tiny youth team left back could have been added to a striker budget, ditto Aribo. That's £15m down the tunes. This might come as a shock to you, but there will be signings that dont live up to our fans expectations (as yet I might add as both players you've mentioned have had six months and have made limited appearances between them). If every signing was an instant success then we would probably be sitting top of the league 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 17 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: What is this? 🤔🤣 It’s me being a bit drunk and annoyed we haven’t signed Messi. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 23 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: You’re losing your sh*t over conversations happening in your own head. It’s becoming tiresome, give it a rest. Ok. Sorry. I have bad case of anxiety about us going down this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 8 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: This might come as a shock to you, but there will be signings that dont live up to our fans expectations (as yet I might add as both players you've mentioned have had six months and have made limited appearances between them). If every signing was an instant success then we would probably be sitting top of the league I had no expectations of Larios as I'd never heard of him. When I saw him, I saw a 5ft 7 full back who'll never have the physicality to be competitive at this level. As for Aribo, I expected more than the untidy lazy sod that we've got. Wasted millions that could have been added to whatever budget we have for a striker to allow us to buy someone proper. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 hour ago, verlaine1979 said: Didn't West Ham bid over 30m for Broja in the summer? The going rate for pace, height, power and finishing is... above our price range. Brojaesque would include when we brought him in on loan the season before, and Semmens sorted that out without Ramus's laptop. Would settle for Pellesque or Lambertesque as well - the centre forward we've needed all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 Well I'm back from the pub and still no centre forward. Just as I expected. Oh well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 12 minutes ago, egg said: I had no expectations of Larios as I'd never heard of him. When I saw him, I saw a 5ft 7 full back who'll never have the physicality to be competitive at this level. As for Aribo, I expected more than the untidy lazy sod that we've got. Wasted millions that could have been added to whatever budget we have for a striker to allow us to buy someone proper. Sure there were people on here who celebrated the signing of Aribo as it was also bringing much needed experience. Rangers fans would've told you differently. As has been mentioned on here before, Larios is taller than quite a few top PL full backs, one was playing tonight (Rico Lewis). Regardless, what we spent on a young LB in the summer will have no bearing on what we spend on a striker. Reports are that there is enough money there and Dragan has even added to it. Lets see where we are come the end of the window. Theres plenty of links (some will be absolute bollocks) but the club are trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 4 hours ago, woodsaint1 said: Is this a buy and loan to Goztepe to help them. Would be underwhelming if its for us given our other links Yet to see any links to be proper excited about this window striker wise. Ings maybe but even then his injury record is always concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West end Saints Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 55 minutes ago, DT said: Are they young? Yes? Let's buy them. But they're shit, boss. It doesn't matter. They're young. Let's buy them. We might be able to sell them for more if they get better. But we need to score goals to stay in the division, boss. Don't be silly. We're unbeaten, these last three games. We'll be fine. Just buy that bloke. He's young. Ok boss. Orsic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 55 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: For those dissing Haji Wright he has at least scored more goals than Weghorst this season. Obvs knows how to score I have watched him a few times and I would be extremely worried about his ability to step up to the PL tbh. I am sure we can do better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 10 minutes ago, obelisk said: Well I'm back from the pub and still no centre forward. Just as I expected. Oh well. Were you there with DT? Hope he’s doing alright 👍🏻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 2 hours ago, Saint86 said: Tella is doing pretty well for a winger... Not exactly ripping it up, is he 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: You’re losing your sh*t over conversations happening in your own head. It’s becoming tiresome, give it a rest. Booo admin, it’s not a really a transfer window if DT doesn’t start losing his shit and start going on inexplicable fantasy monologues. His MO is to breakdown if anyone in the world of football signs for anyone else who isn’t Saints. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turkish Posted 19 January, 2023 Share Posted 19 January, 2023 1 hour ago, DT said: It’s me being a bit drunk and annoyed we haven’t signed Messi. Again. When you were Alpine Saint it was binge eating to control your depression. Hope the booze hasn’t taken over 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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