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5 minutes ago, igsey said:

Just in anticipation of us making no more signings this window... Man City won the league multiple times without a striker, maybe that's what we're going for ;)

And now they have one they are not going to win it. Centre forwards are so passe. You lot are madto be wanting goals 

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1 hour ago, the saint in winchester said:

Let me throw in another name - and then withdraw. :)

Patrick Bamford

Rarely gets a game at Leeds these days, and now Leeds have spent a shedload on a new import, he will get less time. CHDAJFU?

He’s got a bit of class about him, nice little player. But we’ve got enough of those, I rate him but we need some meat not mince. 

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46 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's not spot on though. For the last year loads of people have banged on about getting in a proper striker. Everyone agrees and then when it gets near the end of the window it's "we did get a striker in" (Mara in the summer) or now "what do you expect?" It's bloody obvious what is expected, it's the same thing that's been expected for ages and it's not an unreasonable expectation, particularly because failing to act could send us down.  

Whats a "proper striker" or "top striker" these days? A lot of the players who score goals regularly in the PL play from wide areas. Orsic for example was the 4th top scorer in the Croatian league last season and is essentially a scoring player who operates from the left side, a bit like Rashford does for Man Utd.

The type of players who have a proven record of scoring loads of goals in a top league are either too expensive fee wise, too expensive wages wise, or are over the hill.

Leeds just spent €35m on Georginio Rutter, a striker from Hoffenheim and he has 2 goals this season. Presumably they feel aged 20 that his output will improve and he has attributes they value.

Perhaps we see similar in Jackson? He is fast, strong and direct - unlike most of our other options. He is regularly getting minutes (mostly as a sub) for one of the better clubs in La Liga and is 21. That is what you get for £20m these days.

In addition, we are currently bottom of the league and fairly likely to be relegated, so clearly some targets won't fancy the move.

Everyone would love us to go and get a striker who will bang in 15 league goals a season, but so would fans of Chelsea, Brighton, Villa, Palace, Forest, Leeds, Leicester, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham and Everton.

I don't think there is a huge and obvious pool of quality PL level strikers with proven records in top leagues that are affordable and happy to move to a team bottom of the league.

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Just now, Dusic said:

Whats a "proper striker" or "top striker" these days? A lot of the players who score goals regularly in the PL play from wide areas. Orsic for example was the 4th top scorer in the Croatian league last season and is essentially a scoring player who operates from the left side, a bit like Rashford does for Man Utd.

The type of players who have a proven record of scoring loads of goals in a top league are either too expensive fee wise, too expensive wages wise, or are over the hill.

Leeds just spent €35m on Georginio Rutter, a striker from Hoffenheim and he has 2 goals this season. Presumably they feel aged 20 that his output will improve and he has attributes they value.

Perhaps we see similar in Jackson? He is fast, strong and direct - unlike most of our other options. He is regularly getting minutes (mostly as a sub) for one of the better clubs in La Liga and is 21. That is what you get for £20m these days.

In addition, we are currently bottom of the league and fairly likely to be relegated, so clearly some targets won't fancy the move.

Everyone would love us to go and get a striker who will bang in 15 league goals a season, but so would fans of Chelsea, Brighton, Villa, Palace, Forest, Leeds, Leicester, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham and Everton.

I don't think there is a huge and obvious pool of quality PL level strikers with proven records in top leagues that are affordable and happy to move to a team bottom of the league.

Where did I say we needed a proven quality PL striker? We've had the likes of Ings and Broja in recent years which proves that decent strikers who can do a job are available. Every window we go into it with everyone agreeing that that is what we need and then as we get towards the end we have people like you saying how difficult it is and how we shouldn't really be expecting a striker and that it's unaffordable or they won't want to come. It's the clubs fault for not getting anyone in in the summer when it was blindingly obvious that is what we needed more than anything and surprise surprise we have needed one all season. We still need one and we still haven't adressed it. If we go down from here and we haven't brought one in we will have the same people saying saying the same things without recognising that this is the main reason why we are where we are. 

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3 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Whats a "proper striker" or "top striker" these days? A lot of the players who score goals regularly in the PL play from wide areas. Orsic for example was the 4th top scorer in the Croatian league last season and is essentially a scoring player who operates from the left side, a bit like Rashford does for Man Utd.

 

I agree, i see Che as more of a holding no.10 than a no.9. He would be ideally suited to wingers coming in to his lay offs and passes with JWP also pushing from central areas to provide alternatives.

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2 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Whats a "proper striker" or "top striker" these days? A lot of the players who score goals regularly in the PL play from wide areas. Orsic for example was the 4th top scorer in the Croatian league last season and is essentially a scoring player who operates from the left side, a bit like Rashford does for Man Utd.

The type of players who have a proven record of scoring loads of goals in a top league are either too expensive fee wise, too expensive wages wise, or are over the hill.

Leeds just spent €35m on Georginio Rutter, a striker from Hoffenheim and he has 2 goals this season. Presumably they feel aged 20 that his output will improve and he has attributes they value.

Perhaps we see similar in Jackson? He is fast, strong and direct - unlike most of our other options. He is regularly getting minutes (mostly as a sub) for one of the better clubs in La Liga and is 21. That is what you get for £20m these days.

In addition, we are currently bottom of the league and fairly likely to be relegated, so clearly some targets won't fancy the move.

Everyone would love us to go and get a striker who will bang in 15 league goals a season, but so would fans of Chelsea, Brighton, Villa, Palace, Forest, Leeds, Leicester, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham and Everton.

I don't think there is a huge and obvious pool of quality PL level strikers with proven records in top leagues that are affordable and happy to move to a team bottom of the league.

You make valid points and even 25-30M doesn't guarantee a striker will work out.  Only flaw is that if we choose to sign someone like Jackson and it doesn't work out whilst Ings was available then that's a conscious decision to not sign an out and out striker. 

No one has a crystal ball but the idea that a player can come into a different league, without a scoring record to speak of, playing as a wide forward and score more goals than Ings is probably more on the unlikely end of the spectrum.

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2 minutes ago, swannymere said:

I agree, i see Che as more of a holding no.10 than a no.9. He would be ideally suited to wingers coming in to his lay offs and passes with JWP also pushing from central areas to provide alternatives.

Che shouldn't be in our starting 11. He only plays now because we have virtually no one else. 

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17 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Whats a "proper striker" or "top striker" these days? A lot of the players who score goals regularly in the PL play from wide areas. Orsic for example was the 4th top scorer in the Croatian league last season and is essentially a scoring player who operates from the left side, a bit like Rashford does for Man Utd.

The type of players who have a proven record of scoring loads of goals in a top league are either too expensive fee wise, too expensive wages wise, or are over the hill.

Leeds just spent €35m on Georginio Rutter, a striker from Hoffenheim and he has 2 goals this season. Presumably they feel aged 20 that his output will improve and he has attributes they value.

Perhaps we see similar in Jackson? He is fast, strong and direct - unlike most of our other options. He is regularly getting minutes (mostly as a sub) for one of the better clubs in La Liga and is 21. That is what you get for £20m these days.

In addition, we are currently bottom of the league and fairly likely to be relegated, so clearly some targets won't fancy the move.

Everyone would love us to go and get a striker who will bang in 15 league goals a season, but so would fans of Chelsea, Brighton, Villa, Palace, Forest, Leeds, Leicester, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham and Everton.

I don't think there is a huge and obvious pool of quality PL level strikers with proven records in top leagues that are affordable and happy to move to a team bottom of the league.

Jones plays with a centre forward/striker.  We need someone to play that role, bring others into the game, and not waste the chances created for them. Having the ability to create something for themselves and others would be nice too. That's the proper striker that we need. 

Sure, you need the wide players to do their bit and score goals, but we can't carry on with Che missing chances that a proper striker would bury, and with no credible alternative or replacement. 

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16 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Whats a "proper striker" or "top striker" these days? A lot of the players who score goals regularly in the PL play from wide areas. Orsic for example was the 4th top scorer in the Croatian league last season and is essentially a scoring player who operates from the left side, a bit like Rashford does for Man Utd.

The type of players who have a proven record of scoring loads of goals in a top league are either too expensive fee wise, too expensive wages wise, or are over the hill.

Leeds just spent €35m on Georginio Rutter, a striker from Hoffenheim and he has 2 goals this season. Presumably they feel aged 20 that his output will improve and he has attributes they value.

Perhaps we see similar in Jackson? He is fast, strong and direct - unlike most of our other options. He is regularly getting minutes (mostly as a sub) for one of the better clubs in La Liga and is 21. That is what you get for £20m these days.

In addition, we are currently bottom of the league and fairly likely to be relegated, so clearly some targets won't fancy the move.

Everyone would love us to go and get a striker who will bang in 15 league goals a season, but so would fans of Chelsea, Brighton, Villa, Palace, Forest, Leeds, Leicester, Wolves, Bournemouth, West Ham and Everton.

I don't think there is a huge and obvious pool of quality PL level strikers with proven records in top leagues that are affordable and happy to move to a team bottom of the league.

Good point 

Salah and Mane weren't proper strikers 

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1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

Good point 

Salah and Mane weren't proper strikers 

They had Firminho hitting the net if they didn't. 

It's a bizarre notion that we can carry on with a shit striker if the wide players are decent. It seems obvious that we need all of them to be decent and capable of scoring.  

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Interesting looking at strikers in Europe that Juanmi who wasnt great for us has been pretty prolific in the Spanish league over the last 5 years for Sociedad and Betis. We maybe got him too early - but I guess he was ‘young and hungry’ back then. 

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Channons Windmill

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2 hours ago, Saint Gifford said:

Dodged a bullet there.

If we have someone around the Bristol area at a loose end. Need to drop into North Bristol and have a look at Aaron Collins, not the immediate answer I know but worth a punt I would suggest.

I'll ask around my friends in the blue half of the city....  or I'll ask Wael directly! Knowing him he will want £75m.... 

I'm amazed that no-one has linked us yet with Ainsley Maitland-Niles. Oh hold on.....

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5 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

It does seem rather odd, that we're signing another left winger.

Assuming we are going to stick with this 4-2-3-1 then maybe Adams is seen as the 1, and then we are going to get players in and around him, making runs past him.

But we've already got Djenepo, Elyounoussi, Edozie, AArmstrong who would probably "choose" to play left of a front 3, and we've just signed Orsic and thats his position.  Add into that Jackson, and I'm a bit confused to where he fits in tbh. Edozie, Elyounoussi and Djenepo go to an option off the bench, I'd be surprised if Orsic hasn't been brought in as a starter.

We will not stick to a system, the idea is to be flexible to counter or cause problems on how the opposition set up.  
 

we don’t have enough high quality players (yet) to deliver on a particular system, this is one of many reasons why Ralph moved away from his favoured 4-2-2-2 and wanted to play a back five for more defensive protection. 
 

expect to see a number of systems being deployed in the game, this is the fluidity Jones was referring to in one of his last interviews. Also seems one of the reasons why it’s taking time to settle and the ‘pre-season’ didn’t seem to be effective with lack of game time the key. 

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Just now, Saint Matty 76 said:

Sent this to my mate who's a Fener fan and his words were "Omg yes please, was worried we were gonna take that donkey for 10m".

 

4 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

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Considering the US team barely mustered a shot on target with him leading the line at the WC (despite being pretty solid elsewhere on the pitch), this is hopefully one of those fabled "smokescreen" rumours.

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50 minutes ago, swannymere said:

I agree, i see Che as more of a holding no.10 than a no.9. He would be ideally suited to wingers coming in to his lay offs and passes with JWP also pushing from central areas to provide alternatives.

This is why I think Antonio now in his central role would be ideal for us - knock downs as well as 'go yourself'.

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1 minute ago, charliemiller said:

I really really hope so !!!!!!! some of the other dross and non strikers is alarming , players like Antonio as a two year fill in are ok if the price is ok on his day unplayable

Have you got any inkling atall as to who we might go for out of the two? 

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59 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

He wasn't a striker either. Played all his career as a 10 before joining Liverpool.

The point was about Mane and Salah. They were at Liverpool. Firminho played (mostly) as a striker alongside them. 

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2 hours ago, DT said:

Everton after Beto. Apologies if old

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/01/18/everton-transfer-news-toffees-above-all-in-race-to-sign-6ft-4in-serie-a-striker-beto/

they were linked to him back in October, maybe even earlier. I think this might just be a rehash rather than a genuine update. Some have suggested Everton don't have the funds, a FFP is crippling them, but Im sure they'd find a way. Udinese wont be letting him go cheaply though and my guess they wont allow him to go at all in this widow unless someone offered crazy money. 

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Che shouldn't be in our starting 11. He only plays now because we have virtually no one else. 

Flicks the ball on for JWP’s first and wins the free kick for his second at Everton. His finishing is woeful but he’s a proper pest at times.

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1 hour ago, Toadhall Saint said:

 

lot of decent headed goals in there, but not much else. Don't see much stuff carrying the ball. Maybe I need to watch some other videos focused on his skills not just his goals.

 

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7 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Trossard to Arsenal. £26 million seems pretty cheap for him.

 

BBC say £21m, even cheaper. They really didn't want him hanging around like a bad smell after his fall out with the manager. Was on fire for Brighton before then too. Decent player. Technically very good, but in Mitoma they have a talent that is already firing so they may not miss him.

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11 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Trossard to Arsenal. £26 million seems pretty cheap for him.

 

Surprised by the fee. He's a superb player. Not sure where he'll fit at Arsenal, but he gives them some depth. 

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11 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Trossard to Arsenal. £26 million seems pretty cheap for him.

 

£21m with £5m of add ons. Basically went on strike at Brighton so that price was not a surprise. Chelsea supposedly bid £12m a few days ago. It’s a steal when you have half decent players going for £70-80m

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18 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

£21m with £5m of add ons. Basically went on strike at Brighton so that price was not a surprise. Chelsea supposedly bid £12m a few days ago. It’s a steal when you have half decent players going for £70-80m

Out of contract in 18 months. Fell out with de zerbi too. 

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