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January 2023 Transfer Window

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11 minutes ago, Greenridge said:

Relegation clause in contracts is commonplace now. Of course there are no guarantees. It's not fantasy football. Well done for repeating your point though...

We don't decide the clauses...why would he agree one with us if, for example, west ham are offering him full whacl for say 2 1/2 years? Real world ain't what blokes on a forum would like to happen. 

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20 minutes ago, DT said:

No signing would. Don't think people are saying that. From my perspective, an Ings or actually a Wood might have been sensible avenues to go down in such an important position for relatively little outlay. Untested youngsters from foreign leagues are by their very nature, riskier, when we need to be dealing with more proven players.

I'd have preferred Ings to a project, but I can see why the club may have been hesitant. 

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11 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

This is fair, we may yet bring in an exciting CF, so let’s wait until 1/2 before judging the window. It does seem though like £15m and the known entity/proven goalscorer that is Danny Ings was the logical solution to our goalscoring problems though. 

Tried looking up latest Moffi news on Twitter and I can’t see that WHU’s bid of £25m was rejected. Could they really sign both?

TBF, thats normally been their strategy...lob money at it and hope for the best. They've done it for the last 15 years.

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29 minutes ago, Greedyfly said:

If this is correct (and you know this from watching him) then fair enough, then I stand corrected.  BUUUUUUT every football profiling website and his position within the line-up for his last 5 starts has him as the CF.  Not an attacking Left or Right - a CF.  Either way 20m for a player that has 14 La Liga performances and 2 goals isn't money well spent in my eyes.

I checked his last 5 match appearances (and more), he's a sub that played generally on the wing. 

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It does seem rather odd, that we're signing another left winger.

Assuming we are going to stick with this 4-2-3-1 then maybe Adams is seen as the 1, and then we are going to get players in and around him, making runs past him.

But we've already got Djenepo, Elyounoussi, Edozie, AArmstrong who would probably "choose" to play left of a front 3, and we've just signed Orsic and thats his position.  Add into that Jackson, and I'm a bit confused to where he fits in tbh. Edozie, Elyounoussi and Djenepo go to an option off the bench, I'd be surprised if Orsic hasn't been brought in as a starter.

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Have we had confirmation that saints arent interested? Im reading a few posts saying we should be going for it but we may well be. We cant compete on wages with west ham and at Ings age (and as recent history has shown us) we arent likely to be winning that race. He'll start at west ham and is a good last contract for him. I would've liked him here - natural goalscorer that we need but just because hes not coming doesnt mean we've turned him down! 

As a window we can perhaps see a focus on pace/power/threat and Jackson seems to fit that. I would love to see a real goalscorer come in but when United are bringing in  Weghorst you can see what the market is like (he's better than his previous prem time i know but still not exactly an Mbappe signing by a huge club now 2nd in the league)

Perhaps the feeling is that Armstong may play more (ive liked his energy and given me Ormorod vibes v recently in terms of how it impacts the team), perhaps we feel that JWP, Jackson, Orsic give us the goals we need along with a few from Che/Armstrong. I guess its the level we are at - if we had money like west ham we'd spend it on ings. 

I think we will be ending up with another 9/10 window with no one to put the ball in the back of the net...... im enjoying it though i have to say. Feel like theres a bit more of a plan to the signings backing the managers identified gaps which i like rather than just buying kids. Could one plan be for Orsic to play up front?! What a ramble!

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1 hour ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

I'm just going to throw this out there...

... maybe we have someone better than Ings lined up?

I suspect this is what the club are thinking.

In their own minds they are lining up Gakpo Mk II. Trouble is, we know it will most likely end up as Gakpo Mk II as well.

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1 hour ago, SotonianWill said:

I think Ings is a rare banker to stay up, the best proven prem striker you can get for the ceiling of a relegation battle club and west ham have just bought that for 15 million, and so I have no doubt they’ll stay up. we should have been all over it.

This.

I'm usually a "let's wait to see how things pan out rather than jumping to premature conclusions" kinda chap (Exhibit A: my regular berating of the 'happy to be proven wrong' brigade) but my gut feel on us not re-signing Ings is that we'll end up regretting it. Nothing more than a hunch but I just feel he's exactly what we needed in the short term given the current circumstances. Assuming both he and the club were open to the notion of him coming back then I think we've made a mistake in not making it happen.

Happy to be proven wrong, of course... ;)

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2 minutes ago, trousers said:

This.

I'm usually a "let's wait to see how things pan out rather than jumping to premature conclusions" kinda chap (Exhibit A: my regular berating of the 'happy to be proven wrong' brigade) but my gut feel on us not re-signing Ings is that we'll end up regretting it. Nothing more than a hunch but I just feel he's exactly what we needed in the short term given the current circumstances. Assuming both he and the club we're open to the notion of him coming back then I think we've made a mistake in not making it happen.

Happy to be proven wrong, of course... ;)

Yeah, I'm in the same camp.  All transfers are risks and strikers even more so, so Ings would seem about the safest bet around in comparison to anything else. 

Everything we do in this window is subservient to getting a new striker (and a decent one that works out) so whilst I don't have a problem with Orsic, Alcaraz or Jackson, it won't look like a good window if we're still left with a glaring problem up top.  I know Che isn't to everyones taste but imagine if he gets a serious injury - we're fucked.    

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Ings will get the goals to keep West Ham up , whether he would suit what Jones wants to play is a fair question. Wood probably does - Jones keeps talking how small a side we are and has favoured a big striker to play off, plus last year he landed at a relegation threatened side and helped pull them out of it, so him going to Forest, who I suspect we need to finish above to stay up is a concern. Wolves will be fine as they have a strong squad and class manager, Leicester similar so I’m looking at Bompey, Leeds, Everton, Forest as the teams we need to finish above. We need them all to have bad windows !!

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2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Watch the incoming news channels reports now that West Ham, Leicester, Wolves and Bournemouth have all shown interest! And that quickly followed by a complete lack of news on a further Saints offer. It’s the way we roll. 🤣

we have offered 12 m euros and they don't want to sell this month, apparently

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25 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I checked his last 5 match appearances (and more), he's a sub that played generally on the wing. 

No idea where you are looking but this is what I could find (again I've not seen him play but for 20m I am not enthused):

Overall positioning:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nicolas-jackson/profil/spieler/776890

https://www.fotmob.com/players/1197347/nicolas-jackson

Matches (where he started including his last start on the 3rd Jan):

https://www.fotmob.com/match/4087803/matchfacts/cartagena-vs-villarreal

https://www.fotmob.com/match/4010252/matchfacts/lech-poznan-vs-villarreal

https://www.fotmob.com/match/3917989/matchfacts/cadiz-vs-villarreal

Subs is a little harder to tell but from the website above I can see that he sometimes replaces the main striker then also.

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4 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

I was getting excited until I stuck the text in google translate

I'm not a linguist but didn't need Google translate for "Offre refusée."

Seems to follow us on these things SaintsFCOffre refusée #

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12 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

I know a few people that know Danny and one said he was quite open to coming back but ultimately wanted to go where he would pay most and apparently West Ham were looking to give him a more prominent role. 

Bonkers if true!

Freudian slip ?

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15 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

 

If we're serious about pushing on under SR we need to replace/move on the likes of Djenepo, Diallo, Moi and AA. And we're making all the right noises in the window so far

…but they are all playing regularly under Jones. Seems your prejudices are not in vogue since Floppy left.

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16 minutes ago, santolijador said:

2.01m tall, 79 goals in 108 games for Genk. 

It's *only* the Belgian League (I've watched quite a lot of it and there are a few decent sides) but his goalscoring record in league games can't be knocked in the last few years... 33 in 38 followed by 21 in 35 followed by 14 in 18 so far this season. 

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2 minutes ago, LaptopSaint said:

It's *only* the Belgian League (I've watched quite a lot of it and there are a few decent sides) but his goalscoring record in league games can't be knocked in the last few years... 33 in 38 followed by 21 in 35 followed by 14 in 18 so far this season. 

It can’t be knocked indeed…if a striker knows where the net is and how to make it bulge then you just need to supply him and we seem to be signing players who can provide better supply now. It seems crazy to me that Saints would not be going all out to ensure they get the right man and asap.

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11 minutes ago, igsey said:

Isn't it about the time in the window we start getting linked with Harry Winks?

Oh God,   forgotten about him,   just looked up his stats for this season.    He has appeared once for Sampdoria,   coming on as a sub in the 62 minute.  

So a total of 28 minutes this season.

 

Get him on the bus!

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18 hours ago, davefizzy14 said:

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/01/18/aston-villa-transfer-news-rivals-now-talking-about-signing-25m-villa-star/

Please make it happen 🙂

Surely it is not just me who fears that re-signing Inge would be an unmitigated morale sapping disaster. True, he had a purple patch while he was here briefly but that has not been replicated at Villa and he is now much older in football terms and less sharp and defenders have worked out his game.

Apart from misplaced and naive sentiment for a player who really couldn't give a fishes tit about Southampton Football Club, for what other reason would we want to take on such a huge gamble and lumber ourselves with as sulking hulk of a player.

He's gone, lock the door and good riddance!

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1 minute ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Surely it is not just me who fears that re-signing Inge would be an unmitigated morale sapping disaster. True, he had a purple patch while he was here briefly but that has not been replicated at Villa and he is now much older in football terms and less sharper and defenders have worked out his game.

Apart from misplaced and naive sentiment for a player who really couldn't give a fishes tit about Southampton Football Club, for what other reason would we want to take on such a huge gamble and lumber ourselves with as sulking hulk of a player.

He's gone, lock the door and good riddance!

He’s almost certainly going to end up at Wet Spam but I’m not sure our interest is finished yet.

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I think a lot of people are throwing Jackson in the bin because of his scoring record. People are incorrectly concluding that he is a centre forward. He isn't, he's a wide attacker who can operate from the left, right or sometimes in behind. That’s his game, an attacker with pace and power. He's not a goal scorer, so it seems unfair to see people saying he's shit just because his goal record is low - he's not a striker, so it's not going to be high.

So, Jackson alone isn't a bad signing, he's a decent player who will add that pace and power we have been missing in those attacking thirds - I for one am all for this deal. But....he needs to be complimented with a striker, someone in the box who will convert the opportunities his direct running will create. I don't want us to end up with one and not the other, we need both to be honest.

Jones likes moi, we have Orsic who should definitely be starting, we also have edozie who looks better then Jackson .do you think he’s gonnaa Get into the team past that lot and make much of a impact ??

seems a absolutely pointless signing to me and is money we could be using to get what we actually need a striker .

not to mention his highlights are dribbling off of peoples legs and poor finishing and these are his best bits 😒

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6 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

23 year old with 100+ senior appearances, captain of his club, working his way through the international ranks - all looks good. Looks like he's only got two years on his contract too so he's probably approaching peak value when Lecce would be most likely to sell.

I think this one has legs.

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14 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Surely it is not just me who fears that re-signing Inge would be an unmitigated morale sapping disaster. True, he had a purple patch while he was here briefly but that has not been replicated at Villa and he is now much older in football terms and less sharp and defenders have worked out his game.

Apart from misplaced and naive sentiment for a player who really couldn't give a fishes tit about Southampton Football Club, for what other reason would we want to take on such a huge gamble and lumber ourselves with as sulking hulk of a player.

He's gone, lock the door and good riddance!

Sick of hearing about Ings. Thank fuck they taken him.

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10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Guess we will be moving on from that one.

Its already a climb down from 'we dont want to lose him this window'. Hes also out of contract in 18 months so can see us meeting somewhere in the middle.

If our budget only stretches to a striker and one other (LM or DM), this position is much more important as we have less depth. Get it done saints

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15 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

So probably €15m + addons probably gets it done if we're that bothered.

Are we really going to sign this guy for ca £15m, Jackson for £18m and a striker for £20m odd? can't see it...

Personally think this is more important to get over the line than Jackson, from what I've seen. Having a decent DM adds a whole lot more solidity to us and allows others to attack more. We've been a bit 'knife through butter' at times.

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1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

I know a few people that know Danny and one said he was quite open to coming back but ultimately wanted to go where he would pay most and apparently West Ham were looking to give him a more prominent role. 

Bonkers if true!

Pay most or play most? 😂

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2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

The manager has asked for power so giving him Jackson over Ings is sensible. Judge at the end of the season. 
 

Also would add that signing Ings, who’s game is similar to Ballard and Morgan as far as I can tell would only get in the way of their development. In a years time you would have the highest paid player at the club wanting to play with 2 youngsters knocking on the door. This way, the pathway is still there. 

Of all the Super Semmens list of excuses (that he might have learnt from Les) ... ... :mcinnes:

That has to be the most feeble yet. But well done on getting it in early Martin.

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1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

I know a few people that know Danny and one said he was quite open to coming back but ultimately wanted to go where he would pay most and apparently West Ham were looking to give him a more prominent role. 

Bonkers if true!

This isn't true, you dont know anyone in the real world.

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42 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

He’s almost certainly going to end up at Wet Spam but I’m not sure our interest is finished yet.

Antonio now up for sale according to Sky, if it’s power and pace Jones wants !

Or was it just against Saints that Antonio use to like unplayable.

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