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January 2023 Transfer Window

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Appy

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1 minute ago, Greenridge said:

In the scheme of staying in the league? Almost irrelevant.

Let's hope SR aren't trying to be too 'clever' in our pursuit for goals.

It’s not irrelevant to us if it’s more than what we’re paying JWP, it would be bonkers. 

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SotonianWill

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last word on ings…

whilst i’ve seen a few people say he’s not going to get game time behind scammaca and antonio, I look at it a different way. west ham have a good squad waiting to kick in much like wolves and potentially forest, and I feel villa were not fully utilising ings, and despite his lack of effect on their squad he has shown if given consistent games to get full fitness he still has the ability to be a 20 goal a season striker with the right service. I think he’s a rare banker to stay up, the best proven prem striker you can get for the ceiling of a relegation battle club and west ham have just bought that for 15 million, and so I have no doubt they’ll stay up. we should have been all over it.

 

For us, the money needs to be around 20-25 million spent on a proper out and out striker with a good goal scoring record (and potentially good XG lol) to keep us up. whether that’s moffi or beta male beto idk and idc who it is just get someone who we can get behind, as until then I don’t think anyone telling the truth would say they fully believe this team can stay up with this strike force. we need someone the players and fans trust in to score goals, get it done.   

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wild-saint

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41 minutes ago, Francis1947 said:

If the latest news that West Ham have offered Villa £12 million pound for Ings and that could be a successful bid, I would be utterly pissed off.

And I am a mild mannered man and dont often use language like that !

Now there could be a number of reasons why he would choose the London club over us. He might not want to return and if so then that would be acceptable and understandable.

But, if we they get him and we do not because : a. We didnt pursue him aggressively enough and our offer was a poor one in comparison to theirs or

b. We are still on this path of selecting and signing young players of potential with a future sell on fee, in the hope that they will be our saviour this season......then to my mind we are bloody doomed !

And if he signs and he scores 5 maybe 6 goals that keep them up and we go down, then I think I will be done with supporting Saints after 60 plus years.

 

 

 

     

The wet fannies are out in force today I see. 

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Pat from Poole

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last word on ings…

whilst i’ve seen a few people say he’s not going to get game time behind scammaca and antonio, I look at it a different way. west ham have a good squad waiting to kick in much like wolves and potentially forest, and I feel villa were not fully utilising ings, and despite his lack of effect on their squad he has shown if given consistent games to get full fitness he still has the ability to be a 20 goal a season striker with the right service. I think he’s a rare banker to stay up, the best proven prem striker you can get for the ceiling of a relegation battle club and west ham have just bought that for 15 million, and so I have no doubt they’ll stay up. we should have been all over it.

 

For us, the money needs to be around 20-25 million spent on a proper out and out striker with a good goal scoring record (and potentially good XG lol) to keep us up. whether that’s moffi or beta male beto idk and idc who it is just get someone who we can get behind, as until then I don’t think anyone telling the truth would say they fully believe this team can stay up with this strike force. we need someone the players and fans trust in to score goals, get it done.   

Seconded.

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4 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

For us, the money needs to be around 20-25 million spent on a proper out and out striker with a good goal scoring record (and potentially good XG lol) to keep us up. whether that’s moffi or beta male beto idk and idc who it is just get someone who we can get behind, as until then I don’t think anyone telling the truth would say they fully believe this team can stay up with this strike force. we need someone the players and fans trust in to score goals, get it done.   

Depends, if we cant get that striker then we have to strengthen everything around it, which is what the club are doing, while still going after strikers at the same time

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5 minutes ago, jayrivers said:

Depends, if we cant get that striker then we have to strengthen everything around it, which is what the club are doing, while still going after strikers at the same time

supporters and even players need to be galvanised. it’s all good buying players to create more chances, but I don’t think there is much confidence in our current strikers to finish chances. I believe, could be wrong, ches conversion rate is 7.8% I saw the other day. by bringing in someone with a good record then people will really believe we can stay up. 

 

I know it’s a shit analogy but say you’re in defence and you have a great goalkeeper behind you. the defence will become more confident as opposed to having someone you know as soon as we face a simple shot it’s going in, its no different with a striker. players will be thinking it as much as fans. 

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supporters and even players need to be galvanised. it’s all good buying players to create more chances, but I don’t think there is much confidence in our current strikers to finish chances. I believe, could be wrong, ches conversion rate is 7.8% I saw the other day. by bringing in someone with a good record then people will really believe we can stay up. 

Of course. But it's not the only option. Pelle for instance didn't score anything like Lambert and Ings, but was able to also bring other players into the game and with him we got to Europe as we scored well as a team. Obviously we don't have that quality right now, but with the current options, and changing the way we play, and having more attacking options I think we can still stay up. 

 

Of course I'd like a better striker, that goes without saying. But there are other options and I don't think we, or the club, should put everything on a new striker to stay up. 

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saintant

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14 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

last word on ings…

whilst i’ve seen a few people say he’s not going to get game time behind scammaca and antonio, I look at it a different way. west ham have a good squad waiting to kick in much like wolves and potentially forest, and I feel villa were not fully utilising ings, and despite his lack of effect on their squad he has shown if given consistent games to get full fitness he still has the ability to be a 20 goal a season striker with the right service. I think he’s a rare banker to stay up, the best proven prem striker you can get for the ceiling of a relegation battle club and west ham have just bought that for 15 million, and so I have no doubt they’ll stay up. we should have been all over it.

 

For us, the money needs to be around 20-25 million spent on a proper out and out striker with a good goal scoring record (and potentially good XG lol) to keep us up. whether that’s moffi or beta male beto idk and idc who it is just get someone who we can get behind, as until then I don’t think anyone telling the truth would say they fully believe this team can stay up with this strike force. we need someone the players and fans trust in to score goals, get it done.   

Who on earth believes Ings won't get game time behind Scammac and Antonio? - bonkers. He'll be ahead of both of those players.

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Fabrice29

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This point should not go unforgotten. 

10 hours ago, Appy said:

He turned down the biggest contract offer in our history 18 months ago, so I can’t see his terms being much lower now. 

The man told us to fuck off 18 months ago, now it’s gone wrong we should be going all out to get him back? Not for me, Clive. Would have been romantic and nice little short term buzz but long term it’s risky and expensive. Very West Ham.

On the bright side I’m delighted he’s forced this through before Saturday. Thank you for everything Danny. 

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27 minutes ago, DT said:

in other whoopdi doo news

🚨 Nicolas Jackson is ‘close’ to joining Southampton – who initially wanted a six-month loan deal with a buy option, but Villarreal’s demands meant that Saints have ‘decided to buy the player’ for €20million this month #saintsfc

A reminder if one is needed, he has scored less than both Adams and Armstrong in a league often considered weaker than the prem.  Oh he's also currently crocked.

 

Still you know, young so we can sell him when he "improves".

 

Fuck sake we don't need another "hope and see" striker. 

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1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

I would have liked Danny Ings to return for a curtain call, loved watching him for Saints, great feet and timing.  However, if he ends up at West Ham lodging an early prediction that he will follow in the footsteps of another contemporary Saints legend at that shite club, Jose Fonte.  Hope I'm proved right as would be superb if the Irons went down with the Toffos.

I think this sums up how I feel. People on here talking like Ings is the messiah need to calm down a bit. 
If the WHU deal is confirmed I’d enquire about Antonio who scored more goals in the Prem last season than Ings and who would be perfect knocking the ball down/creating room for Orsic/Jackson/JWP/whoever to bang ‘em in. 

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Looking at how we played against Man City, plus the two midfielders signed so far, I think the club are keen for players who can drive quickly forward, physically quick and tactically quick. 

We are also said to be close to signing Jackson who seems to fit this profile. 

If we go for a more experienced centre forward my guess is it will be someone who also fits this profile. 

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2 minutes ago, Greedyfly said:

A reminder if one is needed, he has scored less than both Adams and Armstrong in a league often considered weaker than the prem.  Oh he's also currently crocked.

 

Still you know, young so we can sell him when he "improves".

 

Fuck sake we don't need another "hope and see" striker. 

I think a lot of people are throwing Jackson in the bin because of his scoring record. People are incorrectly concluding that he is a centre forward. He isn't, he's a wide attacker who can operate from the left, right or sometimes in behind. That’s his game, an attacker with pace and power. He's not a goal scorer, so it seems unfair to see people saying he's shit just because his goal record is low - he's not a striker, so it's not going to be high.

So, Jackson alone isn't a bad signing, he's a decent player who will add that pace and power we have been missing in those attacking thirds - I for one am all for this deal. But....he needs to be complimented with a striker, someone in the box who will convert the opportunities his direct running will create. I don't want us to end up with one and not the other, we need both to be honest.

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49 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Looking at it from a pure financial viewpoint, then yes, you could say the club were rightfully patting themselves on their back on that one.

But as a football decision it was diabolical as we didn't correctly replace him which is why we find ourselves in big trouble, so the figure we got is totally irrelevant. If he now rocks up at keeps WHU up instead of us then it goes down as one of the worst sales we've ever made in my opinion. I’m sure the club won’t be patting themselves on the back then (to give the new lot some credit, this was before SR came in)

Don't forget he was refusing to sign a new contract, so selling him for £30m was excellent business, unfortunately we thought Adam Armstrong was the man to replace him and we all know how that's going

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The manager has asked for power so giving him Jackson over Ings is sensible. Judge at the end of the season. 
 

Also would add that signing Ings, who’s game is similar to Ballard and Morgan as far as I can tell would only get in the way of their development. In a years time you would have the highest paid player at the club wanting to play with 2 youngsters knocking on the door. This way, the pathway is still there. 

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1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

I don’t agree that West Ham are relegation rivals, they’ve had a bad run but they wouldn’t have been anywhere near the bottom 6 come May.

They’re level with us on points after exactly half the season and finished last season with one win in nine games, so what exactly constitutes a ‘run’ in your eyes? FWIW I do believe that both they and Everton are more likely to stay up than saints, via a sudden 11 points in five games out of nowhere in April.

Actually I have to admire West Ham for regularly being as s**t as we are, whilst spending twice as much money.

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40 minutes ago, Greenridge said:

In the scheme of staying in the league? Almost irrelevant.

Let's hope SR aren't trying to be too 'clever' in our pursuit for goals.

Very relevant if we go down and are stuck with him. I repeat my point from yesterday that there's too much of a fantasy football rather than real world mentality on here. Signing him wouldn't have guaranteed safety. 

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3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Also would add that signing Ings, who’s game is similar to Ballard and Morgan as far as I can tell would only get in the way of their development. In a years time you would have the highest paid player at the club wanting to play with 2 youngsters knocking on the door. This way, the pathway is still there. 

Pathway? When you only need to be better than Adams, Armstrong or Mara to get on the pitch, it’s less of a pathway and more of a heated, indoor moving walkway like they have in airports, with a pop up Costa halfway along and a personal valet to carry your suitcase.

We could sign Haaland and still have more than enough opportunities for Ballard and Morgan.

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12 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think a lot of people are throwing Jackson in the bin because of his scoring record. People are incorrectly concluding that he is a centre forward. He isn't, he's a wide attacker who can operate from the left, right or sometimes in behind. That’s his game, an attacker with pace and power. He's not a goal scorer, so it seems unfair to see people saying he's shit just because his goal record is low - he's not a striker, so it's not going to be high.

So, Jackson alone isn't a bad signing, he's a decent player who will add that pace and power we have been missing in those attacking thirds - I for one am all for this deal. But....he needs to be complimented with a striker, someone in the box who will convert the opportunities his direct running will create. I don't want us to end up with one and not the other, we need both to be honest.

If this is correct (and you know this from watching him) then fair enough, then I stand corrected.  BUUUUUUT every football profiling website and his position within the line-up for his last 5 starts has him as the CF.  Not an attacking Left or Right - a CF.  Either way 20m for a player that has 14 La Liga performances and 2 goals isn't money well spent in my eyes.

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5 minutes ago, egg said:

Very relevant if we go down and are stuck with him. I repeat my point from yesterday that there's too much of a fantasy football rather than real world mentality on here. Signing him wouldn't have guaranteed safety. 

No signing would. Don't think people are saying that. From my perspective, an Ings or actually a Wood might have been sensible avenues to go down in such an important position for relatively little outlay. Untested youngsters from foreign leagues are by their very nature, riskier, when we need to be dealing with more proven players.

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1 minute ago, DT said:

No signing would. Don't think people are saying that. From my perspective, an Ings or actually a Wood might have been sensible avenues to go down in such an important position for relatively little outlay. Untested youngsters from foreign leagues are by their very nature, riskier, when we need to be dealing with more proven players.

Ings wouldn’t be little outlay at all, you have to pay his wages too, which will be upwards of 100k per week. 

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Aside from probably unaffordable wages, the other thing about Ings is that he really needs to play in a front two to get the best out of him.

That isn't how we are playing.

Looks like we will be signing Jackson, and with Orsic too have added different attributes to our frontline this window.

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11 minutes ago, egg said:

Very relevant if we go down and are stuck with him. I repeat my point from yesterday that there's too much of a fantasy football rather than real world mentality on here. Signing him wouldn't have guaranteed safety. 

Relegation clause in contracts is commonplace now. Of course there are no guarantees. It's not fantasy football. Well done for repeating your point though...

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28 minutes ago, Greedyfly said:

A reminder if one is needed, he has scored less than both Adams and Armstrong in a league often considered weaker than the prem.  Oh he's also currently crocked.

 

Still you know, young so we can sell him when he "improves".

 

Fuck sake we don't need another "hope and see" striker. 

Going to keep going down this route in the hope that at some point one will work out. 

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8 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

My thoughts on not signing Ings very much depends on what striker we do sign.

SR have done alright so far this window.

At least Ings won’t be playing against us on Saturday.

This is fair, we may yet bring in an exciting CF, so let’s wait until 1/2 before judging the window. It does seem though like £15m and the known entity/proven goalscorer that is Danny Ings was the logical solution to our goalscoring problems though. 

Tried looking up latest Moffi news on Twitter and I can’t see that WHU’s bid of £25m was rejected. Could they really sign both?

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