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January 2023 Transfer Window

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waylander

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7 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

His wages will be sizeable and he’ll only come here if we can give him a decent contract. If he comes here, doesn’t do much and we go down, he could become something of a financial burden which we may struggle to offload.

This is what relegation clauses are for

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34 minutes ago, waylander said:

This is what relegation clauses are for

If the player agrees to them...

There's supply and demand, our need, and player greed all at play here - we ain't in the driving seat. Ings will undoubtedly want a bigger and longer contract than we'd want to give. He may well keep us up, but he'd be a huge problem for us if we go down. 

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Lighthouse

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8 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Basically true of any signing at this point. And ings is currently fit, firing, and clinical at this level 🤷‍♂️

He might score 4-6 goals if he can stay fit, that’s still a massive gamble.

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

just like any striker we sign?

Villa have already given him a contract well beyond anything we were able to offer, which we’d have to match or better for him to come here. He’ll be 31 in summer, if he has fitness issues and big wages we’ll struggle to shift him.

54 minutes ago, waylander said:

This is what relegation clauses are for

Why would he agree to that when he’s earning top whack at Villa? We’re bottom of the league, relegation is more likely than not, why would you sign up to a probable massive pay cut in six months, for no reason?

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Miltonaggro

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I would have liked Danny Ings to return for a curtain call, loved watching him for Saints, great feet and timing.  However, if he ends up at West Ham lodging an early prediction that he will follow in the footsteps of another contemporary Saints legend at that shite club, Jose Fonte.  Hope I'm proved right as would be superb if the Irons went down with the Toffos.

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Saint86

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48 minutes ago, Turkish said:

£12m, we should be all over that.

Was about to say exactly this. If we don't have a comparable equivalent lined up, we should definitely be going for Ings for £12M if he's interested. Add to it the fact that a direct rival wants him and we'd be screwing up their plans as well.

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S-Clarke

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West Ham signing Ings for £12m would be a hammer blow (excuse the pun).

They're down there with us, so that's another team you'd argue will be fine if that happens. I have a nasty sinking feeling that we're not going to get an out and out striker and we're focused on wide attackers, which won't help us a single bit. (well, maybe a bit - but not enough).

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Saint Garrett

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£12m is cheap for him no doubt about that. Got the ability to keep us up, knows the club, knows the players, local. It all makes sense. Apart from probably his wages for a 30 year old, but tbh, even if we signed him and went down, we’d still be able to sell him for £10m in the summer so makes sense for all parties IMO. Would be a bit gutted if he went to West Ham. 

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Francis1947

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If the latest news that West Ham have offered Villa £12 million pound for Ings and that could be a successful bid, I would be utterly pissed off.

And I am a mild mannered man and dont often use language like that !

Now there could be a number of reasons why he would choose the London club over us. He might not want to return and if so then that would be acceptable and understandable.

But, if we they get him and we do not because : a. We didnt pursue him aggressively enough and our offer was a poor one in comparison to theirs or

b. We are still on this path of selecting and signing young players of potential with a future sell on fee, in the hope that they will be our saviour this season......then to my mind we are bloody doomed !

And if he signs and he scores 5 maybe 6 goals that keep them up and we go down, then I think I will be done with supporting Saints after 60 plus years.

 

 

 

     

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SotonianWill

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16 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Was about to say exactly this. If we don't have a comparable equivalent lined up, we should definitely be going for Ings for £12M if he's interested. Add to it the fact that a direct rival wants him and we'd be screwing up their plans as well.

surely it’s worth matching the bid just to talk (negotiate) with him so there is no regrets. if he wants to join he wants to join, if he dosent at least we tried. 

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never mind, cry me a river
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Pamplemousse

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The decision to sell Ings for £30m is looking more and more like an excellent decision

Ings gets to play in Europe as well. Can't begrudge him that.

I suspect our name was just thrown out there by agents to drum up interest and we were never interested. I could be wrong of course.

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Pat from Poole

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Just now, Pamplemousse said:

The decision to sell Ings for £30m is looking more and more like an excellent decision

Ings gets to play in Europe as well. Can't begrudge him that.

I suspect our name was just thrown out there by agents to drum up interest and we were never interested. I could be wrong of course.

It was nothing like £30m.

Madness if you think that was an excellent decision. If you hadn’t noticed, we are bottom of the League….

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goodymatt

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Fuming.

Agree that Ings and Wood strengthen our relegation rivals, although over a full season WHU should be comfortably finishing higher than us with their squad.

Does Moffi really want to stay in France then, would appear so if WHU bid £25m and then moved on to Ings?

Who is scoring our goals Sports Republic? Sign a proven goalscorer or drop.

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Pamplemousse

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7 minutes ago, Pat from Poole said:

It was nothing like £30m.

Madness if you think that was an excellent decision. If you hadn’t noticed, we are bottom of the League….

We finished 15th the last season he was here and then 15th the season he left. Selling him was correct; not replacing him was the problem.

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S-Clarke

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7 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

The decision to sell Ings for £30m is looking more and more like an excellent decision

Ings gets to play in Europe as well. Can't begrudge him that.

I suspect our name was just thrown out there by agents to drum up interest and we were never interested. I could be wrong of course.

Looking at it from a pure financial viewpoint, then yes, you could say the club were rightfully patting themselves on their back on that one.

But as a football decision it was diabolical as we didn't correctly replace him which is why we find ourselves in big trouble, so the figure we got is totally irrelevant. If he now rocks up at keeps WHU up instead of us then it goes down as one of the worst sales we've ever made in my opinion. I’m sure the club won’t be patting themselves on the back then (to give the new lot some credit, this was before SR came in)

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Maggie May

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All we can do now is trust the process and sincerely hope the past three wins is a sign we’re kicking on and have enough about us to survive.

The Ings to Hammers transfer is a blow on paper but he failed to set the world alight at Villa. Let’s hope his best days were with us. 


 

 

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10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Guess that means we weren't serious when we made the supposed enquiry then. You'd think for the price it would be a deal that would interest us. Can only imagine wages were too much for us. 

Price is only half of the story. The wages, length of the deal, and what happens if we go down are the other half of it. If West Ham were willing to give him the wages he's getting, and perhaps throw him a longer deal than we would, he was never going to come here. 

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St Louis

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12 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

You "seem" to have insight so are we getting beto?

I don’t know that I’m afraid. Was told by someone within the club (they 100% know, apologies I can’t say who, so you’re welcome to dismiss)  that he was keen to come ‘home’, but we weren’t so keen. Especially the direction the player and agent fees (and wages) were heading with multiple clubs keen, on top of concerns with his age and long term value. We were open to the idea. But only on terms that worked for us. I’m not saying he was begging us, but he was very keen on the idea, and with a baby/toddler the appeal of being back home and around family was a big pull too.

Personally I would have liked to have seen him back, I think he would hit the ground running and score the goals we need over the next 19 games. Let’s hope his goals don’t save West Ham at our expense. I feel another raw talent is a risk, as we approach the business end of the season and need someone to deliver and fast.

We do have irons in other fires.

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1 minute ago, egg said:

Price is only half of the story. The wages, length of the deal, and what happens if we go down are the other half of it. If West Ham were willing to give him the wages he's getting, and perhaps throw him a longer deal than we would, he was never going to come here. 

Also, London, more in the limelight, better squad, less chance of going down, no damage to ego in coming back. And yes, probably more money. Hope he gets a knock or two... (sort of )

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Lee On Solent Saint

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2 minutes ago, St Louis said:

I don’t know that I’m afraid. Was told by someone within the club (they 100% know, apologies I can’t say who, so you’re welcome to dismiss)  that he was keen to come ‘home’, but we weren’t so keen. Especially the direction the player and agent fees (and wages) were heading with multiple clubs keen, on top of concerns with his age and long term value. We were open to the idea. But only on terms that worked for us. I’m not saying he was begging us, but he was very keen on the idea, and with a baby/toddler the appeal of being back home and around family was a big pull too.

Personally I would have liked to have seen him back, I think he would hit the ground running and score the goals we need over the next 19 games. Let’s hope his goals don’t save West Ham at our expense.Another raw talent is a risk.

We do have irons in other fires.

Irons from two bit leagues and players under 21 no doubt.

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