January 2023 Transfer Window

[Give it to Ron]

28 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Liam Delap could be leaving Stoke 👀🤣🤣

We have our quota of Stoke failures this season 

[Convict Colony]

Ok I am going to take one for the team and read Rasmus's book as I hear a lot about it with our current situation etc so will see how much david brent he is channelling, of course I will buy tho it as I want to support our team.

But someone told me once of course hypothetically if you wanted to read it for free you could do the following:

1. Turn on your vpn

2. Go to a website i have heard about called https://libgen.li/ although not been there myself.

3. Search for the book by typing in his name, it works for most books apparently.

4. I believe it was said if you want to read it on your kindle or kindle app you would have to download an Epub verion.

5. Then finally its been said to see it on your kindle or kindle app just find out your amazon email address (via your account) and send it to that email address - people believe that within 2/3 mins it will appear under your library.

Far too complicated for me and I'm law abiding.

Mods - please delete if you think my fellow users cannot be trusted with this hypothetical information.

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 January, 2023 by Convict Colony

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

Ok I am going to take from for the team and read Rasmus's book as I hear a lot about it with our current situation etc so will see how much david brent he is channelling of course I will buy it as I want to support out team.

But someone told me once of course hypothetically if you wanted to read it for free you could do the following:

1. Turn on your vpn

2. Go to a website i have heard about called https://libgen.li/ although not been there myself.

3. Search for the book by typing in his name, it works for most books apparently.

4. I believe it was said if you want to read it on your kindle or kindle app you would have to download an Epub verion.

5. Then finally its been said to see it on your kindle or kindle app just find out your amazon email address (via your account) and send it to that email address - people believe that within 2/3 mins it will appear under your library.

Far too complicated for me and I'm law abiding.

Mods - please delete if you think my fellow users cannot be trusted with this hypothetical information.

 

 

 

 

I wish I could understand all that. I think if you were around here, my business might be on the first page of google!!

[The Kraken]

21 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Ok I am going to take from for the team and read Rasmus's book as I hear a lot about it with our current situation etc so will see how much david brent he is channelling of course I will buy it as I want to support out team.

But someone told me once of course hypothetically if you wanted to read it for free you could do the following:

1. Turn on your vpn

2. Go to a website i have heard about called https://libgen.li/ although not been there myself.

3. Search for the book by typing in his name, it works for most books apparently.

4. I believe it was said if you want to read it on your kindle or kindle app you would have to download an Epub verion.

5. Then finally its been said to see it on your kindle or kindle app just find out your amazon email address (via your account) and send it to that email address - people believe that within 2/3 mins it will appear under your library.

Far too complicated for me and I'm law abiding.

Mods - please delete if you think my fellow users cannot be trusted with this hypothetical information

I’m done up to step 5, not sure what is meant by “your Amazon email address”? Or how I find it….

edit: done it, thanks!

Edited 11 January, 2023 by The Kraken

[Convict Colony]

10 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I’m done up to step 5, not sure what is meant by “your Amazon email address”? Or how I find it….

edit: done it, thanks!

Ah awesome, yeah I just bumped into a random stranger and he shared a screenshot of where to find it on your account under Content and Devices.

You find which device you want to send it to and there is an email address associated with it

 

[SotonianWill]

22 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I’m done up to step 5, not sure what is meant by “your Amazon email address”? Or how I find it….

edit: done it, thanks!

 

5 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Ah awesome, yeah I just bumped into a random stranger and he shared a screenshot of where to find it on your account under Content and Devices.

You find which device you want to send it to and there is an email address associated with it

 

I don’t know whether this will be of any help to you but I use this method to read PDFs on kindle, and to make the text / pages fit kindle format you must title the email ‘Convert’. probably not needed as it’s already a book not pdf, but just in case. 

[Convict Colony]

5 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

 

I don’t know whether this will be of any help to you but I use this method to read PDFs on kindle, and to make the text / pages fit kindle format you must title the email ‘Convert’. probably not needed as it’s already a book not pdf, but just in case. 

Nice I hadnt hear of that one thanks 

[The Kraken]

The bloke that I know that has just done this said that he didn’t need to do that, he just emailed it to the kindle address. He got an email from Amazon asking him to confirm, then when he did that it showed up in his managed content list as a document. Then just move to kindle via Amazon’s Manage my Content. So he said.

[Badger]

20 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

The bloke that I know that has just done this said that he didn’t need to do that, he just emailed it to the kindle address. He got an email from Amazon asking him to confirm, then when he did that it showed up in his managed content list as a document. Then just move to kindle via Amazon’s Manage my Content. So he said.

Does any of that help signing the CF we need ?

[DT]

21 hours ago, stknowle said:

Your suggesting we're in for QPR's Elias Chair?

Couldn’t get Peter Couch

[FarehamSaintJames]

I’m guessing this is to go with the other two signings we are yet to complete. 🤷🏻‍♂️😅

Talkshite only do things in two. Ings and Bertrand’s contract renewals. Imminent signings. Etc.

Edited 11 January, 2023 by FarehamSaintJames

[Disco Stu]

Nathan Jones programme notes

Quote

“We are still working on getting further additions over the line and I hope the club will soon be able to share more positive news as we look to get one or two more fresh faces into the building to help us in the second half of the season.”

The number seems to have gone down

Quote

But while Jones does not anticipate a revamp of his squad, he is hoping that more signings will follow after the conclusion of the Orsic deal on Friday.

"It’s not the amount, it's the quality of what we do," he said. "So there won't be ten, but if we can get three or four real quality additions that improve us, then that's what we want. Because it’ll freshen stuff up and there's a good group there.

 

Edited 11 January, 2023 by Disco Stu

[derry]

Still in the FA Cup, Semi Final EFL Cup, Beat MC 2-0 I wonder what influence that will have on transfer targets as well as beating two Premier sides in the process.

[miserableoldgit]

3 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Nathan Jones programme notes

The number seems to have gone down

 

One or two after the two already signed??

[leeham_69]

6 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

 

I don’t know whether this will be of any help to you but I use this method to read PDFs on kindle, and to make the text / pages fit kindle format you must title the email ‘Convert’. probably not needed as it’s already a book not pdf, but just in case. 

A guy on a train told me you can also download a program called "Calibre" which makes any downloadable ebook format compatible with Kindle and makes it easy to upload it too. He said it was a very easy to use and reliable program. He said to google "calibre kindle" but I didn't independently verify this for fear of lingering Y2K virus particles.

[Disco Stu]

1 hour ago, miserableoldgit said:

One or two after the two already signed??

Missed the Alcaraz announcement before kick-off. Thought he would be part of the "one or two" more.

Still, not sure one more signing will be enough. We require both a striker and a defensive midfielder as we shouldn't be counting on Lavia playing every remaining game. I'd prefer a new goalkeeper and an improvement on Larios at full-back cover (especially if Tino is still out long-term) but unlikely I know.

Edited 11 January, 2023 by Disco Stu

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, derry said:

Still in the FA Cup, Semi Final EFL Cup, Beat MC 2-0 I wonder what influence that will have on transfer targets as well as beating two Premier sides in the process.

Indeed. Maybe a few players pondering our offer will hopefully have been persuaded by what they saw tonight

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Disco Stu said:

Missed the Alcaraz announcement before kick-off. Thought he would be part of the "one or two" more.

Still, not sure one more signing will be enough. We require both a striker and a defensive midfielder as we shouldn't be counting on Lavia playing every remaining game. I'd prefer a new goalkeeper as well but unlikely.

I believe Alcaraz is our 'CM' signing. I agree, he's not the DM/Deeper guy we need to cover Lavia but it sounds like that's what we've gone for. There's a lot on the shoulders of an 18 year old to stay fit, tonight showed how important him and his role is to our side.

[Chez]

5 hours ago, DT said:

Couldn’t get Peter Couch

Are we looking at someone developed at Chesterfield.

[Chez]

4 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Nathan Jones programme notes

The number seems to have gone down

 

I think 'one or two' is just a phrase, not a definitive number.

[Disco Stu]

Just now, Chez said:

I think 'one or two' is just a phrase, not a definitive number.

Let's hope so.

[SotonianWill]

1 hour ago, derry said:

Still in the FA Cup, Semi Final EFL Cup, Beat MC 2-0 I wonder what influence that will have on transfer targets as well as beating two Premier sides in the process.

danny ings U-turn to help us win the cup

[waylander]

9 hours ago, leeham_69 said:

A guy on a train told me you can also download a program called "Calibre" which makes any downloadable ebook format compatible with Kindle and makes it easy to upload it too. He said it was a very easy to use and reliable program. He said to google "calibre kindle" but I didn't independently verify this for fear of lingering Y2K virus particles.

You can. I use this often

[Dusic]

8 hours ago, Chez said:

I think 'one or two' is just a phrase, not a definitive number.

Speaking to the club media after the game yesterday he was very clear that more will happen, and it didnt sound like only one.

He said he had asked the owners for support (on transfers) and they were providing the requested support and that the rest of January will be very important.

[Chez]

36 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Speaking to the club media after the game yesterday he was very clear that more will happen, and it didnt sound like only one.

He said he had asked the owners for support (on transfers) and they were providing the requested support and that the rest of January will be very important.

Great. Pretty ballsy move for SR to spend tens of millions when we are odds on to go down. Hope we bring the right guys in that make a difference in the short and long term. 

[M271]

8 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I believe Alcaraz is our 'CM' signing. I agree, he's not the DM/Deeper guy we need to cover Lavia but it sounds like that's what we've gone for. There's a lot on the shoulders of an 18 year old to stay fit, tonight showed how important him and his role is to our side.

After last night playing Lavia  allowed JWP to play further forward, my first priority would be another defensive midfielder followed by a striker. Need both but the DMF allows us to be more on the front foot and create chances. Lavia would be first choice but an experienced out of favour DMF would be ideal to have on the bench or start when Lavia is injured or needs a break.

[Toadhall Saint]

9 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Let's hope so.

It won’t be the 5 or 6 you would like tho 😉

[Saint Garrett]

Alex Crook (yes I know) just said on talkSHITE we’re after 3 more, a total of 5 including Orsic and Alcaraz…

Will be interesting next few weeks for sure…

[Give it to Ron]

Number one priority is a big striker that can get 8-10 goals.

We need that striker that can hold it up and give that option for our midfield to have a focal point . 
Che tries but needs support over the season and can’t be the only one we have when we go long.

[tajjuk]

16 minutes ago, Chez said:

Great. Pretty ballsy move for SR to spend tens of millions when we are odds on to go down. Hope we bring the right guys in that make a difference in the short and long term. 

Their whole model is pretty fubar if we go down. They have set up (are setting up) this multi-club model with this 'flagship' PL club at the top, it doesn't work so well if that club is stuck in the Championship.

Plus we have just done a big overhaul of the playing staff, clearly they have big expectations (and thus big money) in mind for the likes of Lavia, ABK, Baznu etc. when they move one, but if they all suddenly leave because we get relegated for cut price fees (potentially relegation release clauses) and others like Salisu let their contracts run down then a lot of their initial investment has gone to waste and they have to start again, attracting a lower calibre of good young players. All balancing this with trying to get a club promoted out of the championship, which is hard.

It seems they basically want to create a talent factory, akin the Red Bull model, with am over arching scouting system and the best players working their way through the clubs to Saints, for them to then perform in the PL and sell on for big profits. Relegation makes all those plans more difficult, so propping up the team with some spend in January is them probably thinking it protects the project long term.

Plus Orsic was pretty cheap and Alcaraz fits the model, he's a young player who will hopefully improve, so I don't expect us to break the model. I reckon if we get some older players they won't be very expensive, they will be more Orsic levels. Which I reckon rules out someone like Ings.  

[Baird of the land]

16 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Number one priority is a big striker that can get 8-10 goals.

We need that striker that can hold it up and give that option for our midfield to have a focal point . 
Che tries but needs support over the season and can’t be the only one we have when we go long.

Real attacking pace is also a major issue.

 

[tajjuk]

2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Real attacking pace is also a major issue.

 

Orsic is very quick. 

[Saint_clark]

25 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Number one priority is a big striker that can get 8-10 goals.

We need that striker that can hold it up and give that option for our midfield to have a focal point . 
Che tries but needs support over the season and can’t be the only one we have when we go long.

I still feel like people have unrealistic expectations of how many a goalscorer for a club like us should be getting. 

Last season only 8 players got 15 or higher and only one of those didn't play for the top 6 - and that was Vardy. Expecting us to find someone who can come in and score 10 goals in half a season, as well as be an effective target man? It won't happen. 

Best we can hope for is someone coming in and popping up with 5 goals but fitting into the system well enough that they can also create space, chances and goals for other players. 

Fwiw, Adams has the same amount of goals as Son, more than Scamacca, Daka, Watkins, Eze who have all been suggested on here as examples of the types of striker we need, and only one less than Jesus or Nunez who are playing in much better sides and were vastly more expensive. Proper goalscorers are dying out in the modern game. We were spoilt with Ings banging in that 20 goal season and now we think it's what should be expected when in reality what we need is 3 or 4 players who can be relied on to get between 5 and 10 goals, and then the rest chipping in with a couple.

Edited 12 January, 2023 by Saint_clark

[SuperSAINT]

44 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Alex Crook (yes I know) just said on talkSHITE we’re after 3 more, a total of 5 including Orsic and Alcaraz…

Will be interesting next few weeks for sure…

He’s been more on point with us recently. (& I’ve not been his biggest fan)

[Give it to Ron]

27 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I still feel like people have unrealistic expectations of how many a goalscorer for a club like us should be getting. 

Last season only 8 players got 15 or higher and only one of those didn't play for the top 6 - and that was Vardy. Expecting us to find someone who can come in and score 10 goals in half a season, as well as be an effective target man? It won't happen. 

Best we can hope for is someone coming in and popping up with 5 goals but fitting into the system well enough that they can also create space, chances and goals for other players. 

Fwiw, Adams has the same amount of goals as Son, more than Scamacca, Daka, Watkins, Eze who have all been suggested on here as examples of the types of striker we need, and only one less than Jesus or Nunez who are playing in much better sides and were vastly more expensive. Proper goalscorers are dying out in the modern game. We were spoilt with Ings banging in that 20 goal season and now we think it's what should be expected when in reality what we need is 3 or 4 players who can be relied on to get between 5 and 10 goals, and then the rest chipping in with a couple.

We have 20 games left? I said 8-10 goals if we want to stay up that is the requirement IMO 8 goals isn’t unrealistic 

Edited 12 January, 2023 by Give it to Ron

[ally_uk]

Bring Ings home 🏡 

Would love to see him back would give the fans a massive lift aswell

 

 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, tajjuk said:

Their whole model is pretty fubar if we go down. They have set up (are setting up) this multi-club model with this 'flagship' PL club at the top, it doesn't work so well if that club is stuck in the Championship.

Plus we have just done a big overhaul of the playing staff, clearly they have big expectations (and thus big money) in mind for the likes of Lavia, ABK, Baznu etc. when they move one, but if they all suddenly leave because we get relegated for cut price fees (potentially relegation release clauses) and others like Salisu let their contracts run down then a lot of their initial investment has gone to waste and they have to start again, attracting a lower calibre of good young players. All balancing this with trying to get a club promoted out of the championship, which is hard.

It seems they basically want to create a talent factory, akin the Red Bull model, with am over arching scouting system and the best players working their way through the clubs to Saints, for them to then perform in the PL and sell on for big profits. Relegation makes all those plans more difficult, so propping up the team with some spend in January is them probably thinking it protects the project long term.

Plus Orsic was pretty cheap and Alcaraz fits the model, he's a young player who will hopefully improve, so I don't expect us to break the model. I reckon if we get some older players they won't be very expensive, they will be more Orsic levels. Which I reckon rules out someone like Ings.  

Relegation will certainly fuck things up. Bloody tough turning this `oil liner' around though. Almost every signing needs to be spot on, and that's not realistic.

Yeah, there have been a lot of posts on here about us needing experience and the Orsic signing suggesting that we have done that and gone a different route, but for me nothing has changed with our transfer policy. We will still be after the best young talent we can afford, but that will be supported by some more experienced players DCC, AMN and Aribo. Alcaraz mirrors the ABK signing in terms of age and experience. I'm hoping he is technically gifted `spikey' ball player with a big engine and an eye for a pass and maybe even a goal.  

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Fwiw, Adams has the same amount of goals as Son, more than Scamacca, Daka, Watkins, Eze who have all been suggested on here as examples of the types of striker we need, and only one less than Jesus or Nunez who are playing in much better sides and were vastly more expensive. 

Out of interest, how do they far in terms of minutes to goals. Scamacca, Daka and Watkins have been on the bench a fair bit haven't they? I guess that's their problem.

You are right. Ings 20 goal season was something else.

 

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

Out of interest, how do they far in terms of minutes to goals. Scamacca, Daka and Watkins have been on the bench a fair bit haven't they? I guess that's their problem.

You are right. Ings 20 goal season was something else.

 

Watkins actually has more minutes than Adams but yeah fair point, Daka and Scamacca both have way less. 

I'm actually wondering if Adams would suit a Joelinton style switch to CM. He's a great passer of the ball, has great strength and has been good closing down and tackling. 

[Highfield Saint]

18 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Watkins actually has more minutes than Adams but yeah fair point, Daka and Scamacca both have way less. 

I'm actually wondering if Adams would suit a Joelinton style switch to CM. He's a great passer of the ball, has great strength and has been good closing down and tackling. 

Sounds more like a Lyanco switch to me

I thought there was a noticeable drop in mobility and closing when Che came on yesterday?

[tajjuk]

29 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Watkins actually has more minutes than Adams but yeah fair point, Daka and Scamacca both have way less. 

I'm actually wondering if Adams would suit a Joelinton style switch to CM. He's a great passer of the ball, has great strength and has been good closing down and tackling. 

He's a facilitating forward, the issue is we have been using him as the main goals focal point as we don't have that main goals scoring forward. 

[DT]

1 minute ago, tajjuk said:

He's a facilitating forward, the issue is we have been using him as the main goals focal point as we don't have that main goals scoring forward. 

'Facilitating forward' = terrible at actually scoring goals. Decided drop in quality/possession when he came on.

[Chez]

11 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

I thought there was a noticeable drop in mobility and closing when Che came on yesterday?

Che's press is pretty lame to be hones. He doesn't really ever sprint to put players under pressure. Obviously sprinting non stop on your own in a woeful press would be pointless, but as Armstrong has shown in the last couple of games, you can make inroads if you burn some energy on a few lost causes. 

I don't see a switch into midfield working. He's at his best holding the ball up and linking up with fellow striker. It will be interesting if we do get another striker in how often we play two up top.

[Chez]

West Ham now linked to Moffi (in addition to the earlier Everton links).

Either he hits everyone's sweet spot in terms of ability, goals and affordability, or his agent is bloody good at getting stories in the paper to drum up interest. Alternatively it could just be the usual bollocks football rumour websites creating another story to fill their pages, based on nothing.

[Midlandsaint]

2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I still feel like people have unrealistic expectations of how many a goalscorer for a club like us should be getting. 

Last season only 8 players got 15 or higher and only one of those didn't play for the top 6 - and that was Vardy. Expecting us to find someone who can come in and score 10 goals in half a season, as well as be an effective target man? It won't happen. 

Best we can hope for is someone coming in and popping up with 5 goals but fitting into the system well enough that they can also create space, chances and goals for other players. 

Fwiw, Adams has the same amount of goals as Son, more than Scamacca, Daka, Watkins, Eze who have all been suggested on here as examples of the types of striker we need, and only one less than Jesus or Nunez who are playing in much better sides and were vastly more expensive. Proper goalscorers are dying out in the modern game. We were spoilt with Ings banging in that 20 goal season and now we think it's what should be expected when in reality what we need is 3 or 4 players who can be relied on to get between 5 and 10 goals, and then the rest chipping in with a couple.

Adams has also missed multiple easy chances costing us points (see wolves), chances that a half decent striker should be putting away and would have taken them to 10+ goals!

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I still feel like people have unrealistic expectations of how many a goalscorer for a club like us should be getting. 

Last season only 8 players got 15 or higher and only one of those didn't play for the top 6 - and that was Vardy. Expecting us to find someone who can come in and score 10 goals in half a season, as well as be an effective target man? It won't happen. 

Best we can hope for is someone coming in and popping up with 5 goals but fitting into the system well enough that they can also create space, chances and goals for other players. 

Fwiw, Adams has the same amount of goals as Son, more than Scamacca, Daka, Watkins, Eze who have all been suggested on here as examples of the types of striker we need, and only one less than Jesus or Nunez who are playing in much better sides and were vastly more expensive. Proper goalscorers are dying out in the modern game. We were spoilt with Ings banging in that 20 goal season and now we think it's what should be expected when in reality what we need is 3 or 4 players who can be relied on to get between 5 and 10 goals, and then the rest chipping in with a couple.

Those expecting a main striker to come in and Immediatley perform with a goal every 2 games are talking about a player coming in an having a minutes per goal ratio of circa 140-150.

There aren't many regular startering strikers in the league that have achieved that so far this season. 

Haaland, kane, mitrovic, toney, and rodrigo are the main ones. Wilson is there (6 goals in 13 at 148minutes per goal, but always has injury issues), and firminio is similar but is used often as an impact player. Ditto ings, 6 goals in 17 games, but ofc... Shock horror from the lethal xg chance conversion machine, he had a goal every 127minutes despite playing in a largely appalling villa side for most of the season. 

Almiron has a goal every 167minutes in the prem (but is a midfielder). Ditto Foden and maddison are similar. 

So in terms of attacker's, there is realistically only 5-6 regular players that are achieving it, prem sides are unlikely to sell us one, and any player that is that good won't be cheap and is a gamble - I.e. Nunez and scammaca.

 

 

 

Edited 12 January, 2023 by Saint86

[FarehamSaintJames]

I wouldn’t say Alex Crook has been any better as a journo. He is still crap. Literally anyone could’ve told you that we’d be after a number of players this window. 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

Him coming out and saying we’re after more players is just the easy “no shit, Sherlock” route.

[tajjuk]

Adams is joint 6th for big chances missed with 9.  Behind Jesus, Toney, Salah, Haaland and Nunez.  Not sure what defines a 'big chance' but there you go, most of those players will generally be getting a lot more chances than us.

For example Che has had only 34 shots in total, Haaland, Nunez, Salah and Jesus have all had 50 or more.  They have all had more than 20 shots on target as well, Che has only had 13.

 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Watkins actually has more minutes than Adams but yeah fair point, Daka and Scamacca both have way less. 

I'm actually wondering if Adams would suit a Joelinton style switch to CM. He's a great passer of the ball, has great strength and has been good closing down and tackling. 

No chance. He's not mobile enough to play CM. his best position is as a second/deeper forward. His hold up play and link up play is excellent, if he had a decent mobile striker playing up front with him it would make a good pair. Could see him and Mara working as a pair actually,

[Turkish]

51 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

He's a facilitating forward, the issue is we have been using him as the main goals focal point as we don't have that main goals scoring forward. 

WTF is a facilitating forward 🤣