January 2023 Transfer Window

[Chris cooper]

So the so called 2nd signing yesterday was the ladies new gk .. Howard !

[saintant]

45 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Just checked, Bazunu has played one more game than McCarthy last season, has made less saves than him both overall and per game and has a save percentage of 53.5% of shots on target - McCarthy's was 63%. 

Bazunu has the second worst save percentage out of all goalkeepers, only Bournemouth's second choice keeper is worse, and nobody but those two have less than a 64% save rate. 

Speaks volumes. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

32 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

McCarthy let’s a few in that he should be saving, but Baz let’s some in that my mum should be saving. 

Hard to disagree with that

[Pickles]

Bazunu hasn't been what I thought he could be but is still very young and has room to grow. I think taking him out of the starting xi now with a more veteran/new GK will hinder him due to a confidence loss, rather than help him.

[derry]

7 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Bazunu hasn't been what I thought he could be but is still very young and has room to grow. I think taking him out of the starting xi now with a more veteran/new GK will hinder him due to a confidence loss, rather than help him.

I don't think we will but if we do McCarthy will soon demonstrate his weakness. We should have tried to keep Forster but I think his salary made it difficult to come to agreement. Looking at the defence and midfield in front of him small wonder he is letting goals in. It's been a shambles. If you want a scapegoat take the bloke that keeps missing sitters. That really has cost us points.

Edited 10 January, 2023 by derry

[Jonnyboy]

6 hours ago, saintant said:

It won't happen but I still think a decent keeper should be high on our list of priorities. A quick glance at our available choices should make that glaringly obvious.

2016 called, it wants its posts back 😉

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, derry said:

I don't think we will but if we do McCarthy will soon demonstrate his weakness. We should have tried to keep Forster but I think his salary made it difficult to come to agreement.

Forster wasn’t the answer either and is just the latest name on the list of players who’ve suddenly become better with hindsight, after they’ve left.

Of all the issues in our squad, it astonishes me most that we’ve been such an absolute mess between the sticks for so long. It doesn’t look like getting better any time soon, either.

[Harry_SFC]

20 minutes ago, derry said:

I don't think we will but if we do McCarthy will soon demonstrate his weakness. We should have tried to keep Forster but I think his salary made it difficult to come to agreement. Looking at the defence and midfield in front of him small wonder he is letting goals in. It's been a shambles. If you want a scapegoat take the bloke that keeps missing sitters. That really has cost us points.

Not sure how that works. Adams is missing chances and Bazunu isn't making saves. Surely they are both culpable rather than just one of them?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

16 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Forster wasn’t the answer either and is just the latest name on the list of players who’ve suddenly become better with hindsight, after they’ve left.

Of all the issues in our squad, it astonishes me most that we’ve been such an absolute mess between the sticks for so long. It doesn’t look like getting better any time soon, either.

For me, for the money we spent on Baz, there were better options out there.

[The Kraken]

18 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Forster wasn’t the answer either and is just the latest name on the list of players who’ve suddenly become better with hindsight, after they’ve left.

Of all the issues in our squad, it astonishes me most that we’ve been such an absolute mess between the sticks for so long. It doesn’t look like getting better any time soon, either.

Forster hasn’t got better with hindsight, it’s just realism to accept that he’s better than McCarthy and he’s probably better than Bazunu. Like losing Romeu, the problem wasn’t getting rid of Forster, it was replacing him with someone who currently isn’t as good as him. We needed to improve the GK position (and get Forster’s enormous wages off the books), we seem to have worsened the position in the short term.

[Convict Colony]

[Roo1976]

anyone  think were going to sign anyone else?,. or is this it do you think?

[Convict Colony]

1 minute ago, Roo1976 said:

anyone  think were going to sign anyone else?,. or is this it do you think?

If we dont sign a striker I am going to ask @trousers to put full stops after every word in every post until the end of the season in protest.

 

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Roo1976 said:

anyone  think were going to sign anyone else?,. or is this it do you think?

Can’t see us not signing a striker. But then I thought that in summer.

I think SR are rolling the dice and I reckon we’ll get what Jones says they’re trying for, 3-4 in the window.

[Saint Fan CaM]

With the Orsic and Alcerez signings, plus talk of more wingers it makes you wonder if Jones is trying to inject more pace in attack (clearly needed) and play a 4231 formation with Adams or Armstrong up top as main starters, thinking that the new AM’s will create more chances AND contribute to the goal tally too. It certainly seems to signal a slight shift away from the ‘fresh from Academy’ youngsters we’ve been relying on.

Defensive line as a 4 writes itself when all are fit/available. We could do with a better GK option, but the club seem to have invested everything in Baz.

DM’s - JWP, Lavia.

AM’s - Edozie, Alcarez, Orsic

ST - Adams or Armstrong or new signing (not counting on this addition TBH).

The only outstanding bit of business will be who to offload and when. I can’t see Djenepo, Ely, Mara et al wanting to get splinters. Whether or not the above is enough will be down to NJ, so to my mind we’re still looking like relegation candidates on paper.

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

The only outstanding bit of business will be who to offload and when. I can’t see Djenepo, Ely, Mara et al wanting to get splinters. Whether or not the above is enough will be down to NJ, so to my mind we’re still looking like relegation candidates on paper.

All of those 3 listed should be thanking their lucky stars that they are on premier league wages and that they are in some form of spotlight. If they are agitating for a move they need a heavy dose of realism. Djenepo just got given a massive contract extension FFS. Particularly for him and Elmo, we’d be lucky to get a club who would willingly take them on at the wages we’ve given them. Bang average overpaid muck.

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

All of those 3 listed should be thanking their lucky stars that they are on premier league wages and that they are in some form of spotlight. If they are agitating for a move they need a heavy dose of realism. Djenepo just got given a massive contract extension FFS. Particularly for him and Elmo, we’d be lucky to get a club who would willingly take them on at the wages we’ve given them. Bang average overpaid muck.

That may be true, but off-loading a under-par player, particularly one on a decent long contract seems to be problem we always have needed to contend with. Then when they’re actually needed they’re even worse because they’re not motivated or match fit.

[stknowle]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Can't be any more static than some we already have.

Your suggesting we're in for QPR's Elias Chair?

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

With the Orsic and Alcerez signings, plus talk of more wingers it makes you wonder if Jones is trying to inject more pace in attack (clearly needed) and play a 4231 formation with Adams or Armstrong up top as main starters, thinking that the new AM’s will create more chances AND contribute to the goal tally too. It certainly seems to signal a slight shift away from the ‘fresh from Academy’ youngsters we’ve been relying on.

Defensive line as a 4 writes itself when all are fit/available. We could do with a better GK option, but the club seem to have invested everything in Baz.

DM’s - JWP, Lavia.

AM’s - Edozie, Alcarez, Orsic

ST - Adams or Armstrong or new signing (not counting on this addition TBH).

The only outstanding bit of business will be who to offload and when. I can’t see Djenepo, Ely, Mara et al wanting to get splinters. Whether or not the above is enough will be down to NJ, so to my mind we’re still looking like relegation candidates on paper.

Imo JWP shouldnt be considered as a DM as hes better suited going forward where he can get into shooting range and be able to put dangerous crosses in. If we're going with a 4-2-3-1 then I would prefer if we signed another DM as JWP/Diallo are not strong options for that role beside Lavia.

Would rather we played a 4-1-4-1 with Lavia playing behind a more advanced centre mid combo of either JWP/Alcaraz/Armstrong (when fit)/Aribo

[ally_uk]

Think we still need a striker 

Can have all the creativity in the world but what's the point if you are relying on Adams and Armstrong 🤣🤣

Get Ings on a loan chuck a couple of million as a incentive 

Edited 10 January, 2023 by ally_uk
Spell

[Saint Garrett]

Karsdop linked - RB from Roma. They want rid of him, and us, Bournemouth and Monza have enquired…one to keep an eye on maybe. 
 

https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/roma-karsdorp-monza-southampton-bournemouth-calciomercato-news-10-gennaio-2023

[ecurnew02]

1 minute ago, Saint Garrett said:

Karsdop linked - RB from Roma. They want rid of him, and us, Bournemouth and Monza have enquired…one to keep an eye on maybe. 
 

https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/roma-karsdorp-monza-southampton-bournemouth-calciomercato-news-10-gennaio-2023

Apparently he has a really shitty attitude and it’s why Roma want to get rid of him 

[Pickles]

26 minutes ago, ecurnew02 said:

Apparently he has a really shitty attitude and it’s why Roma want to get rid of him 

We already got one dude with a neck tattoo who is awful, don't want to take a chance on another who has one also.

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, ally_uk said:

Think we still need a striker 

Can have all the creativity in the world but what's the point if you are relying on Adams and Armstrong 🤣🤣

Get Ings on a loan chuck a couple of million as a incentive 

There's no real 'think' about it, it is still the absolute priority and has been since September 1st. Would be the end-game if we fail in this window to sort that out.

[pimpin4rizeal]

15 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I expect if it was that easy and straightforward for a club of our size to get the player in that we want at the price we want straight away then it would have happened. There seems to be this perception that no one at the club starts to think about transfers until the day the windows open. They have made it clear that they are always working on transfer possibilities, the reason these players don’t magically appear on the opening days of the window is because it is not that easy to attract the quality you want when so many other clubs are competing for similar players and you don’t have the budget of Manchester City. Any agent worth his salt will hold out for the best deal for his client. We have to wait until we become the best deal.

Thing is that’s what we done in the summer when we should of signed a striker and look how that panned out..

if we can get Orsic who had a great World Cup surely there is a striker better then what we have willing to join ?

I think it’s probably more down to us trying to get deals on the cheap. Wasn’t there a fan forum with semmens once where he was pointing towards the times we paid 20 m and saying it’s not the way to go ?

Edited 11 January, 2023 by pimpin4rizeal

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Thing is that’s what we done in the summer when we should of signed a striker and look how that panned out..

if we can get Orsic who had a great World Cup surely there is a striker better then what we have willing to join ?

I think it’s probably more down to us trying to get deals on the cheap. Wasn’t there a fan forum with semmens once where he was pointing towards the times we paid 20 m and saying it’s not the way to go ?

I think he said that they'd rather spend buy youth players at £200k a pop who would increase in value and cited the "success" of Matt Targett in as much as we made a huge amount of profit from him. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

8 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Imo JWP shouldnt be considered as a DM as hes better suited going forward where he can get into shooting range and be able to put dangerous crosses in. If we're going with a 4-2-3-1 then I would prefer if we signed another DM as JWP/Diallo are not strong options for that role beside Lavia.

Would rather we played a 4-1-4-1 with Lavia playing behind a more advanced centre mid combo of either JWP/Alcaraz/Armstrong (when fit)/Aribo

I don’t think our defence is strong enough to sustain protection of just one DM. Also, JWP is not best suited driving forwards as he does not have pace, has no natural ability to thread a pass and frankly at the moment there’s little point in him putting in ‘dangerous’ crosses - i.e. he rarely delivers a cross (or a corner for that matter) that results in a goal. Our new midfielders hopefully will be able to unlock defences and create much more than we currently do. Armstrong is no longer a starter it would seem and Aribo has yet to prove himself worthy of a place on the bench. Significant change is required to get us firing again.

[Saint Garrett]

6 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

There's no real 'think' about it, it is still the absolute priority and has been since September 1st. Would be the end-game if we fail in this window to sort that out.

The fact we played the Forest one without one was a failure IMO. If we manage to play the Everton game without one too, might well be too late. 

[Give it to Ron]

19 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

The fact we played the Forest one without one was a failure IMO. If we manage to play the Everton game without one too, might well be too late. 

It’s the 11th yet all I see is wingers and links to wingers what’s is the plan crossing to 5ft 9 striker who can hardly hit a barn door?

Shambles we need someone who can score more than Broja 6?

Yet with our famed network we can’t find one striker anywhere willing to come better than Shane Long or Armstrong that’s the level we need to improve on?

The striker should have been sorted first.

Edited 11 January, 2023 by Give it to Ron

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I don’t think our defence is strong enough to sustain protection of just one DM. Also, JWP is not best suited driving forwards as he does not have pace, has no natural ability to thread a pass and frankly at the moment there’s little point in him putting in ‘dangerous’ crosses - i.e. he rarely delivers a cross (or a corner for that matter) that results in a goal. Our new midfielders hopefully will be able to unlock defences and create much more than we currently do. Armstrong is no longer a starter it would seem and Aribo has yet to prove himself worthy of a place on the bench. Significant change is required to get us firing again.

Agree to disagree. There were games last season including Spurs away where JWP won the game for us with his passing and balls into the box which led to two goals. In those games he was allowed to push forward and was given the protection by Romeu. 

Also most of our defensive lapses this season have been a result of individual errors or being poor at defending set pieces. Playing two DMs will make little difference if we continue to do that

[Ken Tone]

9 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Karsdop linked - RB from Roma. They want rid of him, and us, Bournemouth and Monza have enquired…one to keep an eye on maybe. 
 

https://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/roma-karsdorp-monza-southampton-bournemouth-calciomercato-news-10-gennaio-2023

I know we have injuries at present but we already have 2 of the best RBs in the league. Our priority surely has to be a striker,  above anything else? Why on earth haven't we signed one? 

[LeBizzier69]

2 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

The fact we played the Forest one without one was a failure IMO. If we manage to play the Everton game without one too, might well be too late. 

Agree, but the issue now is it’ll have to be someone who’s been playing regularly and match fit if they’re going to start on Saturday….and not someone who’s been sat on the bench all season hence why they’re looking for a move. They really would need to join and hit the ground running immediately if we can use them this weekend.

[Dusic]

35 minutes ago, Ken Tone said:

I know we have injuries at present but we already have 2 of the best RBs in the league. Our priority surely has to be a striker,  above anything else? Why on earth haven't we signed one? 

On RB, we only have one available RB at the moment, plus AMN. There is surely a big question mark over whether Livramento will play more than a minor part this season and I'm not sure NJ is sold on Perraud either so might be looking to move KWP over to the left perhaps?

Also pretty sure Karsdorp was linked in the last window.

Equally, the clubs priority I am sure is a striker, its not a linear process where they can only enquire about one player or position at a time.

I am sure they want Moffi, but also don't want to pay €25m as they don't think that he is currently worth that and/or paying that would mean not being able to sign another player in a different position. 

Negotiations are not just one sided, and equally our targets may wish to wait and see which clubs come in for them as the window progresses, we are bottom of the league and likely to get relegated of course.

I'm sure we will get a striker, and also if we use Orsic in a good way he should add a significant goal threat too.

Based on our other activity so far I think its fair to say they are really trying to make this a good window for us, and obviously it has to be.

Edited 11 January, 2023 by Dusic

[Saint Garrett]

I think KWP will be off, whether it's this window or in the summer, and who knows how Tino will come back.

 

[DT]

The Wilcox news is good but really hope we get some concrete news on a striker incoming in next days. Ideally need him in for Everton, which is now a monumentally important 6 pointer. Not great rumblings re KWP but who can blame him with such an uninspiring managerial appointment and presumably familiar suitors (Spurs?)

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Ken Tone said:

I know we have injuries at present but we already have 2 of the best RBs in the league. Our priority surely has to be a striker,  above anything else? Why on earth haven't we signed one? 

Livramento ain't one of the best RBs in the league. He started briliantly last season, but in truth, defensively he is not great. He ball watches, badly. After that bright start, he faded long before he got injured. He was quite rightly dropped for KWP, who certainly is one of the better RBs in the league. However, because we have failed to really nail the left back role, KWP is still our best option in that position too.

I get the feeling Jones, like Ralph before him, isn't convinced by Perraud. Also, Larios doesn't seem to be in his plans currently. So, on that basis we would either need another left back or another right back, perhaps just until the end of the season. Like you say, not as big a priority as a striker, and I doubt we will see a new full back in this window, but if money was no object, I think Jones would like one.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

I think KWP will be off, whether it's this window or in the summer, and who knows how Tino will come back.

 

I can't see us selling anyone in this window, especially not KWP. Our premiership hope are hanging by a thread. You don't sell your best player if you intend to fight to the end. In the summer, well that's a different story. If we are relegated, we can't expect to retain his services.

[Give it to Ron]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Livramento ain't one of the best RBs in the league. He started briliantly last season, but in truth, defensively he is not great. He ball watches, badly. After that bright start, he faded long before he got injured. He was quite rightly dropped for KWP, who certainly is one of the better RBs in the league. However, because we have failed to really nail the left back role, KWP is still our best option in that position too.

I get the feeling Jones, like Ralph before him, isn't convinced by Perraud. Also, Larios doesn't seem to be in his plans currently. So, on that basis we would either need another left back or another right back, perhaps just until the end of the season. Like you say, not as big a priority as a striker, and I doubt we will see a new full back in this window, but if money was no object, I think Jones would like one.

Larios  is injured isn’t he? Plus he is tiny and IMO not suited to be a full back anything in air he struggles like Cedric.

don’t forget we have Lyanco and AMN for right back too.

[FarehamSaintJames]

The only KWP rumours I’ve heard are from SaintsWeb users. 😂

Apparently Alcaraz arrived at Heathrow yesterday, whoop-de-do. Hope he’s up for the relegation battle.

Back to Bazunu; there’s players with potential and there are players who are ready. At the moment he is not the latter and that is what you need in this league. As things stand he screams Angus Gunn vibes, who was hounded out for arguably the same/less errors than Bazunu. 
He needs to go out on loan, that’s how you become a good keeper. Game time, experience. One season in League One doesn’t make you a Premier League - ready keeper.

[DT]

1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

The only KWP rumours I’ve heard are from SaintsWeb users. 😂

Apparently Alcaraz arrived at Heathrow yesterday, whoop-de-do. Hope he’s up for the relegation battle.

Back to Bazunu; there’s players with potential and there are players who are ready. At the moment he is not the latter and that is what you need in this league. As things stand he screams Angus Gunn vibes, who was hounded out for arguably the same/less errors than Bazunu. 
He needs to go out on loan, that’s how you become a good keeper. Game time, experience. One season in League One doesn’t make you a Premier League - ready keeper.

To be fair you didn't believe the Alcaraz rumours either...

Agree about need for quality keeper though (again), sadly

[SambaMaverick]

(Note the source, pinch of salt required)

Loan swap until the end of the season, we keep AWB if we stay up?

[woodsaint1]

Take Djed Spence on loan with an option to buy, sell KWP if he doesnt fancy a relegation battle

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, SambaMaverick said:

(Note the source, pinch of salt required)

Loan swap until the end of the season, we keep AWB if we stay up?

If we are going to be playing 5 at the back not sure AWB is someone that can do that. Wouldn't be opposed if we are going with 4 at the back primilarily.

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I get the feeling Jones, like Ralph before him, isn't convinced by Perraud. Also, Larios doesn't seem to be in his plans currently. So, on that basis we would either need another left back or another right back, perhaps just until the end of the season. Like you say, not as big a priority as a striker, and I doubt we will see a new full back in this window, but if money was no object, I think Jones would like one.

Possibly because he is injured. Reported as like Tino some way off returning before the Lincoln tie. Thought Larios looked more than decent before his injury, if a little lightweight.

[FarehamSaintJames]

1 hour ago, DT said:

To be fair you didn't believe the Alcaraz rumours either...

Agree about need for quality keeper though (again), sadly

I must admit I’ve never heard of Alcarez, just hope he’s up for a fight. 

The lack of links to a striker is a concern though. 😬

I won’t look too much into the KWP rumours though, as someone said about, not exactly a reliable source 😅

It’s just transfer rumour season isn’t it, everyone and anyone is linked with a transfer.

[Roboze]

18 hours ago, Chris cooper said:

So the so called 2nd signing yesterday was the ladies new gk .. Howard !

Strange name for a Lady 😂

[Dr. Kucho]

14 hours ago, ecurnew02 said:

Apparently he has a really shitty attitude and it’s why Roma want to get rid of him 

He’s known in Holland for having a shit attitude. Last Dutch player with a poor attitude wasn’t a real succes (although he himself thinks he was one of the best defenders in Europe).

[FarehamSaintJames]

36 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

He’s known in Holland for having a shit attitude. Last Dutch player with a poor attitude wasn’t a real succes (although he himself thinks he was one of the best defenders in Europe).

Can already imagine him and Jones getting into a punch up on the touch line 😅

[FarehamSaintJames]

Liam Delap could be leaving Stoke 👀🤣🤣

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Liam Delap could be leaving Stoke 👀🤣🤣

If we are anywhere near that, then there really is no hope at all