January 2023 Transfer Window

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

2 minutes ago, derry said:

I'm wondering if last night's result concentrated the minds at the club. It moved from haggling to get it done. Orsic I hope is the first of 4 or 5 signings. At least it is a decent start.

If it's true SR weren't at the ground last night, maybe they could hear the 'feedback' we gave at the end from wherever they were?

Edited 5 January, 2023 by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

[SotonianWill]

1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said:

Did he actually play for Liverpool though? I thought he just came through their academy and got released before making an appearance.

just checked apparently he played 1 premier league game, and 1 europa league game for Liverpool.

[notnowcato]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I was quite interested in signings earlier this week. Largely couldn't care less now...

Yep, I feel like sending apologies in advance to Orsic.

[BotleySaint]

Looks like a decent signing. Experienced winger who can score goals.

Surely can't be as bad as Ely.

[Disco Stu]

56 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Looks decent. Just a shame it will be too little too late.

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, Ldnsaint said:

 

 Signing players based on a world cup goal rarely works out. As much as it's interesting to be looking in the over 18 category, spending on 30+ doesn't feel that great either.

I'd much prefer hear news of Tella being recalled.

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

 Signing players based on a world cup goal rarely works out. As much as it's interesting to be looking in the over 18 category, spending on 30+ doesn't feel that great either.

I'd much prefer hear news of Tella being recalled.

I have my reservations about this guy but if our scouts have managed to find a player worse than Tella to join us they should face criminal charges.

[woodsaint1]

5 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

 Signing players based on a world cup goal rarely works out. As much as it's interesting to be looking in the over 18 category, spending on 30+ doesn't feel that great either.

I'd much prefer hear news of Tella being recalled.

I doubt we've signed him purely based on his WC goal. He would have been scouted for a period. You could argue that players will be in their prime at 29/30/31 

[saint lard]

10 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

 Signing players based on a world cup goal rarely works out. As much as it's interesting to be looking in the over 18 category, spending on 30+ doesn't feel that great either.

I'd much prefer hear news of Tella being recalled.

He’s been a consistent performer for years. Both club and country. 
including Champions League and Europa league. 
 

Edited 5 January, 2023 by saint lard

[Hawkswood]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Looking forward to us launching it over his head. 

 

Sorry, negativity alert !!!Negativity alert !!

[richardc]

Knowing Jones this will end run of games Endozie's enjoyed and will have a front three Adams, Moi and Orsic 

[Whitey Grandad]

45 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

If we bring players in to suit that style then there's no reason it can't work. But we have a team of actual children. Weakling little chess-club children at that. Personally I couldn't care less what style of football we play if it gets results.

But it's the style of football that gets the results that you desire.

[Bad Wolf]

3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But it's the style of football that gets the results that you desire.

It can be but if we were to win games by using a long ball hoof style then I'm all for it.

[Mattster]

51 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I was quite interested in signings earlier this week. Largely couldn't care less now...

Same. Feeling a bit deflated tbh.

[Chez]

Does Orsic usually play as an out an out winger/attacker or more or a genuine left/right midfielder?

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Does Orsic usually play as an out an out winger/attacker or more or a genuine left/right midfielder?

I think he's more out out than out?

[Saint Matty 76]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Does Orsic usually play as an out an out winger/attacker or more or a genuine left/right midfielder?

(His stats from all appearances at Dinamo Zagreb) 

Edited 5 January, 2023 by Saint Matty 76

[Smirking_Saint]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Does Orsic usually play as an out an out winger/attacker or more or a genuine left/right midfielder?

Pretty much LW

Which makes NJs move towards 532 even more baffling but here we are

[wild-saint]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Does Orsic usually play as an out an out winger/attacker or more or a genuine left/right midfielder?

Saw a tweet from Zagreb fan saying that in a 352 he would play left of the front 2 and has been an effective threat. Also mentioned that if he played as the LWB he would be very in effective. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Lighthouse will be gutted that we've agreed to spend an extra couple of million on him.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Just now, Bad Wolf said:

It can be but if we were to win games by using a long ball hoof style then I'm all for it.

This long ball narrative is a load of old pony. We don’t play hoof ball anymore than Brentford or West Ham, we used to play long balls with Vestergarrd in the side & knocked it long quite a bit last season for Borja.
 

We still mince around with it at the back, hence the goal we gave away last night. A long hoof ball side wouldn’t have conceded like that. We still don’t get it in the mixer enough either. We had a few chances to do so last night and still fucking went backwards. 
 

Our long balls aren’t accurate enough and our forward line are hiding a bit. Broja would be able to play up top with this style, so hopefully we can identify a similar striker because Che can’t or won’t do it alone. 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

26 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

I doubt we've signed him purely based on his WC goal. He would have been scouted for a period. You could argue that players will be in their prime at 29/30/31 

Interesting you still have a bit of faith in our scouting. Presumably or apparently they had their eye on Jones for quite some time and look what we got. 

Edited 5 January, 2023 by Fitzhugh Fella

[Chez]

19 hours ago, goodymatt said:

I've been suggesting Jackson for some time, so I am glad we are linked, but the idea that we spent £27m on him is frankly ludicrous. He is young and has potential (yeah, I know), but no way is he worth that outlay. 

[Chez]

7 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Pretty much LW

Which makes NJs move towards 532 even more baffling but here we are

I think Edozie offers something decent already on the left (he didn't last night when he came on, but he was decent at Fulham). We badly need a right winger. I thought I saw clips of him playing on the right side in the youtube videos.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Definitely gonna be long ball still isn’t it.

Why bother bringing in players who can play football when you’re gonna pelt it up there time and time again.

[Smirking_Saint]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

I think Edozie offers something decent already on the left (he didn't last night when he came on, but he was decent at Fulham). We badly need a right winger. I thought I saw clips of him playing on the right side in the youtube videos.

He’s played there, but primarily plays in the left

I wonder if Edozie can play on the right

[Lord Duckhunter]

7 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

 

Why bother bringing in players who can play football when you’re gonna pelt it up there time and time again.

We didn’t do it “time and time again”. In the last few minutes we were still mincing around, back to keeper, out to centre half, out to wing back, back to keeper. I’m starting to seriously wonder whether our fans actually know what long ball football is, because this isn’t it. It’s a hybrid of mincing around and aimless long passes. 

[Dusic]

Presumably as its a permanent Orsic would sign a 2 or 3 yesr deal. 

He will obviously know there is a decent chance of relegation so perhaps would be willing to play in the Championship. Surely he would be very effective at that level.

[Saint IQ]

Yay signing to be confirmed tonight or tomorrow barring any issues with medical 

[SuperSAINT]

 

[davefizzy14]

Some good news at last.

[revolution saint]

37 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We didn’t do it “time and time again”. In the last few minutes we were still mincing around, back to keeper, out to centre half, out to wing back, back to keeper. I’m starting to seriously wonder whether our fans actually know what long ball football is, because this isn’t it. It’s a hybrid of mincing around and aimless long passes. 

If the end product is a long ball then it doesn't really matter if it's preceded by a few pointless passes or not.

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, Baird of the land said:

 Signing players based on a world cup goal rarely works out. As much as it's interesting to be looking in the over 18 category, spending on 30+ doesn't feel that great either.

I'd much prefer hear news of Tella being recalled.

I dont believe bringing Tella back and that pressure will help his development. Leave him there so that he can really learn. Scoring goals in the Championship doesnt always lead to goals in the PL

[Appy]

Has Orsic had some sort of head injury?

 

Why would he want to sign for us?

[OldNick]

3 hours ago, Dman said:

I’m not Che’s biggest fan and I think he’s a large reason why we’re gonna go down, his composure in front of goal is beyond pathetic. 
 

However; you could stick Haaland up top and he’d struggle in this style. What’s the poor bloke expected to do when he’s getting long diagonal punts going over his head all game. 

Im sorry but I dont agree, if Haarland had the chances that Che has missed in the last few matches we would have a lot more points. Che is a good hardworking footballer, but finishing is not his best asset. A bit like Ormyroyd, he set up space for Beattie to score. Che was the same for Ings. Get a player up with him that can find the net and we could scrape out of this mess

[Saint Troy]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I've been suggesting Jackson for some time, so I am glad we are linked, but the idea that we spent £27m on him is frankly ludicrous. He is young and has potential (yeah, I know), but no way is he worth that outlay. 

interesting - i do agree in one way but another way to look at it may be that if he scores the goals that keep us up hes worth 27m and if he doesnt then hes gone after the 6 month loan period and we dont pay the full whack?

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, woodsaint1 said:

I doubt we've signed him purely based on his WC goal. He would have been scouted for a period. You could argue that players will be in their prime at 29/30/31 

Scouted?  You mean in the same way that Nathan was 'scouted' or some other way?

[Baird of the land]

17 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I dont believe bringing Tella back and that pressure will help his development. Leave him there so that he can really learn. Scoring goals in the Championship doesnt always lead to goals in the PL

Codeword for selling him off in the summer ala Reed/targett etc

[OldNick]

7 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Codeword for selling him off in the summer ala Reed/targett etc

Do you think that if the club gets a good offer if he is at Burnley or here the club will turn it down??

 

[Kenilworthy]

43 minutes ago, Appy said:

Has Orsic had some sort of head injury?

 

Why would he want to sign for us?

he can't lose though. If he does really well and we stay up he is a PL player. If he does just ok but we go down he gets a move to a PL club like Cornet going to West Ham. And whatever happens he is getting PL wages

[Saint Matty 76]

Nowhere near good enough for Everton who are maybe the only team in the league as bad as we are.

At least he'll be good for Nathan Jones horrific long ball tactics from his days at Burnley eh?

[Chez]

22 hours ago, derry said:

I've watched Moffi playing (if you could call it that) for Lorient against Montpellier, bottom third, 0-2, and Anger bottom 2-1. If he touched the ball more than three times over both games I missed it. Never made it out of a trot and looked totally disinterested. Absolutely no goal threat. Lorient were poor as well. I thought we were bad but these two games took it to a whole new level of crap. Chez saw the same matches. He looked athletic but he'd make Moi look like an all action dynamo.

On the basis of those two games and his youtube highlights, I wouldn't be willing to stick my neck out and say he will improve us. He's a little hamstrung by the shit side he plays in, but he may have to feed off scraps here too, so if we are hoping to get a guy that makes things happen through his individual pace, power and dribbling, as Broja did for us last season, then I don't think he's the man. If we are looking for a guy that just puts the ball in the back of the net when he get a chance, then he might be, but those games certainly didn't reveal it. 

Personally, I think Beto, mentioned earlier on this thread, looks a better player, and one that has the ability to turn and power away from a defender (Nicholas Jackson might offer that too by the way) - which is something I'd like us to have up front. He only signed on a permanent with Udinese in the summer though, so they wont be looking to sell - and thus would make that deal tough, I suspect. 

[Saint Garrett]

Dont need another CB, Definitely don't need another shit CB, no thanks.

[Chez]

56 minutes ago, Appy said:

Has Orsic had some sort of head injury?

 

Why would he want to sign for us?

So what exactly was it that first attracted you to the £3m a year job at Southampton FC? 

[Chez]

51 minutes ago, Saint Troy said:

interesting - i do agree in one way but another way to look at it may be that if he scores the goals that keep us up hes worth 27m and if he doesnt then hes gone after the 6 month loan period and we dont pay the full whack?

If he has fallen out with the manager, then Villarreal might consider a loan with a view to a permanent move, just to get him out of the building. And that would suit us well. Whether it would suit him, I am not sure. The fact we are signing Orsic, to play on the left, which is where Jackson has played, suggests that move is just `agent' placed.

[derry]

5 minutes ago, Chez said:

On the basis of those two games and his youtube highlights, I wouldn't be willing to stick my neck out and say he will improve us. He's a little hamstrung by the shit side he plays in, but he may have to feed off scraps here too, so if we are hoping to get a guy that makes things happen through his individual pace, power and dribbling, as Broja did for us last season, then I don't think he's the man. If we are looking for a guy that just puts the ball in the back of the net when he get a chance, then he might be, but those games certainly didn't reveal it. 

Personally, I think Beto, mentioned earlier on this thread, looks a better player, and one that has the ability to turn and power away from a defender (Nicholas Jackson might offer that too by the way) - which is something I'd like us to have up front. He only signed on a permanent with Udinese in the summer though, so they wont be looking to sell - and thus would make that deal tough, I suspect. 

Before I saw your last para I was already thinking Beto from his video.

[Chez]

Just now, derry said:

Before I saw your last para I was already thinking Beto from his video.

He looks a proper player to me. However, I am a sucker for fast forwards that have ball skills and can dribble (Henry Camara is still one of my favourite Saints players) - and they often don't put the ball in the back of the net enough. 

One thing I will say about Moffi, is I did see hi trying to make a few runs on the shoulder of defenders. His team mates never looked for him though, so he was never found. I watch Che and he stands still most of the time, which annoys me, so maybe there is something in there that could help us. I may watch one more game, but boy is it dull.

[charliemiller]

BETO is the one we need please make it happen

 

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, Appy said:

Has Orsic had some sort of head injury?

 

Why would he want to sign for us?

Easy payday. Then he gets to waltz off on loan wherever he wants in the summer (when/if we are relegated). 

[charliemiller]

Full name	Norberto Bercique Gomes Betuncal[1]
Date of birth	31 January 1998 (age 24)[1]
Place of birth	Lisbon, Portugal[1]
Height	1.94 m (6 ft 4 in)[1]
Position(s)	Striker
Club information
Current team	Udinese