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January 2023 Transfer Window

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11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

There’s no ‘may’ about it. January only ever represents awful value for money, unless a player is out of contract in summer. Nobody wants to sell decent players and knowing the perilous situation we’re in will only push prices up ever further. That’s why we have to be extra vigilant not to get taken to the cleaners for somebody not especially good. Whoever we sign is likely to be overpriced, without chucking extra money at a deal just to get it done quickly. Even that assumes extra money WILL get a done quickly, rather than simply pushing demands up even higher.

No doubt that’s true but that’s not to say those players were necessarily decent. We missed out on some young Polish lad called Kaputska, who went to Leicester for £8m. No doubt we could have gotten him if we’d offered £11m and a massive contract but he ended up being a complete flop an vanished without a trace. It would have been a complete waste of money and we’d never have signed Hojbjerg.

Plus, you can’t just say that about the players we didn’t sign. We’d have ended up paying more for every other player we did sign, to the point we’d have had to sign fewer players.

We also missed out on some fella called Marc Cucurella because we wouldn’t pay more than £15m, he signed for someone else for £16m wonder what happened to him?

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1 minute ago, The Cat said:

No time for that sort of nonsense, we've got a fucking light show to watch.

Maybe the wristbands will spell out the name of our new signing the length of the stand. just imagine how cool that would be

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1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Maybe the wristbands will spell out the name of our new signing the length of the stand. just imagine how cool that would be

If it was a good player it would be cool yes. But what if it was someone no one wanted. Imagine them anouncing Nathan Jones this way. 

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Positionally it would seem Orsic is very similar to Edozie, comes in onto his right foot from the left side.

Wonder whether Edozie could be effective from the right, or whether they would end up sharing minutes?

Vital to have good sub options and Edozie is certainly one of those if he doesn't start.

Also, for balance, Ed Aarons tweeted yesterday to say Wolves want Alcaraz and that he would cost around £17m, so there are likely a few PL sides in for him. Since Brexit lots of teams have beefed up scouting in South America, lots of bargains to be had as proven by Brighton.

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46 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It wasn't about the specific player, it was the principle. Given the situation we now find ourselves, we may now have to pay more than we otherwise would have done. There are clearly instances in the past where our reluctance to spend and our tendency to quibble over small amounts has led to us losing out on players. It's likely that we will not be able to afford to have that attitude so much in this window if we want any hope of survival. 

I think that principle is not unique to us

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28 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We also missed out on some fella called Marc Cucurella because we wouldn’t pay more than £15m, he signed for someone else for £16m wonder what happened to him?

No idea what your point is. Some of the players we didn’t sign might have come here if we’d offered more. Okay fine, but you can’t just apply that rule to only the players we want and didn’t sign.

Using that same attitude we never sign Tadic or Mané because some other club offers £2m more to ‘just get it done’ before us, meanwhile we have to spend an extra £2m on Moi and Armstrong to ‘just get it done’.

If we do that, so does everyone else, Saints aren’t unique. All you’re really doing after all is said and done is inflating overall prices.

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5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No idea what your point is. Some of the players we didn’t sign might have come here if we’d offered more. Okay fine, but you can’t just apply that rule to only the players we want and didn’t sign.

Using that same attitude we never sign Tadic or Mané because some other club offers £2m more to ‘just get it done’ before us, meanwhile we have to spend an extra £2m on Moi and Armstrong to ‘just get it done’.

If we do that, so does everyone else, Saints aren’t unique. All you’re really doing after all is said and done is inflating overall prices.

Because you plucked a random name out of the sky of a player who was a flop and said if we’d have paid more we could have ended up with him. So I did the same with a player who we missed out on for the sake of £1m who was a huge success. I’d have thought that would have been obvious. 
 

You pay more for good players improve your team, generally these players attack a lot of interest which pushes the price up, crap players cost less and don’t have the same level of interest it’s kind of how a transfer market works. 

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Given the last window, I'm really pretty uninterested in links until they've actually signed. I was burnt too much in the summer. 

I have been like that for years but every now and again there is a morsel to get me excited

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2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Because you plucked a random name out of the sky of a player who was a flop and said if we’d have paid more we could have ended up with him. So I did the same with a player who we missed out on for the sake of £1m who was a huge success. I’d have thought that would have been obvious. 
 

You pay more for good players improve your team, generally these players attack a lot of interest which pushes the price up, crap players cost less and don’t have the same level of interest it’s kind of how a transfer market works. 

It was an example of why this idea won’t work, because you only want to apply it in a certain way which positively affects Saints and nobody else.

You want to live in a world where only Saints spend an extra £2m on getting Cucurella, Ramos and Gakpo, whilst nobody else hijacks deals for our best signings and we don’t splash out on some duds. 

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8 minutes ago, whelk said:

I have been like that for years but every now and again there is a morsel to get me excited

True but I was absolutely convinced we would sign a striker in the summer. Even when it got to the last day I was sure we would get someone. I suppose it was similar when we failed to replace Fontebut at least then we got in a loan. 

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5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It was an example of why this idea won’t work, because you only want to apply it in a certain way which positively affects Saints and nobody else.

You want to live in a world where only Saints spend an extra £2m on getting Cucurella, Ramos and Gakpo, whilst nobody else hijacks deals for our best signings and we don’t splash out on some duds. 


yet you’ve provided several examples of it only working negatively, along with you little made up bonkers scenario were for some reason we spend millions more on players we signed anyway leaving nothing left.

you want to live in a world where we refuse to pay any more than we want to for good players. A world that is our current reality and it’s going bloody brilliantly. 

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3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

yet you’ve provided several examples of it only working negatively, along with you little made up bonkers scenario were for some reason we spend millions more on players we signed anyway leaving nothing left.

you want to live in a world where we refuse to pay any more than we want to for good players. A world that is our current reality and it’s going bloody brilliantly. 

This is inflation in its very basics. It’s like a guy who works in McDonald’s saying he wishes he got paid £1m a year, so he could buy a Ferrari. Wonderful idea but if you do that, all the doctors, lawyers and bankers earn £5m and Ferraris cost £10m. So the world stays the same but with different numbers.

However you want to present it, we’re one of the poorest teams in the league and we will, generally speaking, get the worst player as a result. There is no realistic scenario in the world whereby serious targets for Champions League clubs come to Saints.

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3 minutes ago, whelk said:

I have been like that for years but every now and again there is a morsel to get me excited

As you say, it happens all the time, that’s the trouble with transfer rumours, they are rumours. Sometimes they happen. Often they don’t. Remember the protracted Promes debacle? It’s all a part of the rich pagent that is part and parcel supporting a football club. If it becomes too much for the nervous system, perhaps threads that cover transfer rumours are best avoided 😉

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19 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

This is inflation in its very basics. It’s like a guy who works in McDonald’s saying he wishes he got paid £1m a year, so he could buy a Ferrari. Wonderful idea but if you do that, all the doctors, lawyers and bankers earn £5m and Ferraris cost £10m. So the world stays the same but with different numbers.

However you want to present it, we’re one of the poorest teams in the league and we will, generally speaking, get the worst player as a result. There is no realistic scenario in the world whereby serious targets for Champions League clubs come to Saints.


Another completely bonkers point 🤣

 

Some seem to still think £12-£15m is big money for us, we were spending that 10 years ago on the likes of Ramirez and Osvaldo. If you want to buy quality it costs money and sometimes you have to pay a bit more than you’d like it’s a very simple concept however much you want to blather on about Burger flippers buying Ferraris or something 

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1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Positionally it would seem Orsic is very similar to Edozie, comes in onto his right foot from the left side.

Wonder whether Edozie could be effective from the right, or whether they would end up sharing minutes?

Vital to have good sub options and Edozie is certainly one of those if he doesn't start.

Also, for balance, Ed Aarons tweeted yesterday to say Wolves want Alcaraz and that he would cost around £17m, so there are likely a few PL sides in for him. Since Brexit lots of teams have beefed up scouting in South America, lots of bargains to be had as proven by Brighton.

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Edozie isn't ready to start imo, but is great as a bench option. Orsic looks like a proper player and is exactly what we need - someone who'll improve our starting team, can create, and knows where the goal is. 

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56 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

True but I was absolutely convinced we would sign a striker in the summer. Even when it got to the last day I was sure we would get someone. I suppose it was similar when we failed to replace Fontebut at least then we got in a loan. 

Which sensible follower of football would’ve thought we’d start the season with number of goals in the squad that we did. Terrible work by the recruitment team, they owe the club big time. 

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1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Positionally it would seem Orsic is very similar to Edozie, comes in onto his right foot from the left side.

Wonder whether Edozie could be effective from the right, or whether they would end up sharing minutes?

Vital to have good sub options and Edozie is certainly one of those if he doesn't start.

Also, for balance, Ed Aarons tweeted yesterday to say Wolves want Alcaraz and that he would cost around £17m, so there are likely a few PL sides in for him. Since Brexit lots of teams have beefed up scouting in South America, lots of bargains to be had as proven by Brighton.

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If you check the video at dinamo he seems to play more on the right and cut in a la robben. 

He can of course play on the left as he did for Croatia but I'd think we are looking for him to address the right side issue given the goals and assists he gets from there.

 

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1 minute ago, DT said:

same old story. this is absolute pennies in this league. cheapskates. what a joke

Yeah and while we dither some other club will nip in and beat us to his signing. We are at the stage where we need to be proactive and get some deals across the line even if it means paying more than we'd like. Penny pinching will be our downfall if we aren't careful.

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