January 2023 Transfer Window

[Chez]

14 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Is Jackson the lad who drifted past our whole team with ease in a friendly last season?

Yes

[Rebel]

If Semmens, Crocker and Sports Direct have even thought about bringing back Bednarek or Stephens it truly proves they have no idea what they are doing.  That they have no real plan or strategy.

If we need a 5th centre back to allow us to play 3 at the back bring back Simeu or better yet buy a new quality centre back now to replace Salisu as he will be off in the Summer if not before. 

At the very least we need a goal scoring striker, an experienced defensive midfielder and a goal scoring and creative No. 10/attacking midfielder at the very least if we are to scrape survival this season.

Probably 2 strikers if I’m honest.

We also need to be harder on the players we have got and get rid of the deadwood hanging around the squad - show all of the players there are no free rides at Southampton. Diallo, Djnepo, Elyounoussi and Adam Armstrong should all be moved on at the very least - even if it’s on loan initially - and replaced. 

 

[Chez]

11 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Also I see Fabio Carvalho on the bench for Liverpool tonight. But with Gakpo arriving, Jota and Diaz returning from injury eventually, plus Nunez, Salah, Firmino, Elliott, Bajcetic and the Ox all seemigly preferred ahead of him, perhaps a sneaky loan bid? 

I was wondering the same thing. Exactly the type of player (age and ability) we want (but can't/haven't been able) to sign. 

[Chez]

22 hours ago, Chez said:

  😉maybe something like

Wan Bissaka loan
Sander Berge
Nicholas Jackson
Ings

If we are also linked with Berge et al over the next week or two I will expect a scouting fee Saints.

I like the look of Jackson. Pace and power from wide areas is exactly what we need. Young and a bit raw, a lack of goals so far is a slight concern, but turning defence onto attack quickly is something we have not done a lot if, and he might help there. 

[Chez]

17 minutes ago, Rebel said:

If Semmens, Crocker and Sports Direct have even thought about bringing back Bednarek or Stephens it truly proves they have no idea what they are doing.  That they have no real plan or strategy.

If we need a 5th centre back to allow us to play 3 at the back bring back Simeu or better yet buy a new quality centre back now to replace Salisu as he will be off in the Summer if not before. 

At the very least we need a goal scoring striker, an experienced defensive midfielder and a goal scoring and creative No. 10/attacking midfielder at the very least if we are to scrape survival this season.

Probably 2 strikers if I’m honest.

We also need to be harder on the players we have got and get rid of the deadwood hanging around the squad - show all of the players there are no free rides at Southampton. Diallo, Djnepo, Elyounoussi and Adam Armstrong should all be moved on at the very least - even if it’s on loan initially - and replaced. 

 

The club has just given Djenepo a new three year contract. His ride is well and truly paid for.

[Charlie Wayman]

The best we can hope for in this window is the loan of a striker and possibly (as one lad suggested earlier) one of the many spare ones at the Scousers. The Minamino scenario again.

Seems unlikely SR will spend money on new players until Jones has decided who should stay and who should go and our league fate is determined, less so if they are factoring in relegation and regrouping as inevitable. 

[OldNick]

24 minutes ago, Chez said:

If we are also linked with Berge et al over the next week or two I will expect a scouting fee Saints.

I like the look of Jackson. Pace and power from wide areas is exactly what we need. Young and a bit raw, a lack of goals so far is a slight concern, but turning defence onto attack quickly is something we have not done a lot if, and he might help there. 

I think we were linked to Berge last season.

If only the scouts have taken my idea of Ivan Toney when he was at Peterborough, I also mentioned Todd Cantwell who had only played a couple of cup games at that stage. Hs career has faltered but still a decent player. Under the wrong boss.

What about Matt Grimes at Swansea he struck me as a leader and a decent player

[Turkish]

24 minutes ago, Chez said:

The club has just given Djenepo a new three year contract. His ride is well and truly paid for.

ha, ha i'd forgotten about that, bloody hell.

[Marsdinho]

On 01/12/2022 at 11:01, Marsdinho said:

Terem Moffi could be worth a shout. L'Orient are currently 4th in Ligue 1, so he may prefer a push for Europe over a push for the Championship!

 

 

I didn't even know I was in the know!

[S-Clarke]

31 minutes ago, Chez said:

The club has just given Djenepo a new three year contract. His ride is well and truly paid for.

Almost as baffling as the decision to give Theo a 2 year contract.

There have been some decent decisions made at points in recent years, but those two trump all of those. Incredibly negligent for a club who pride themselves on 'never wanting to be held ransom' and 'never paying above their means'.

Failed.

[Chez]

28 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I think we were linked to Berge last season.

If only the scouts have taken my idea of Ivan Toney when he was at Peterborough, I also mentioned Todd Cantwell who had only played a couple of cup games at that stage. Hs career has faltered but still a decent player. Under the wrong boss.

What about Matt Grimes at Swansea he struck me as a leader and a decent player

Downes was the Swansea guy to go for, although he can't get a game yet at West ham.

[Turkish]

Putting things into perspective. All those players cost less than we spent this summer to get worse 

 

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Putting things into perspective. All those players cost less than we spent this summer to get worse 

 

All well and good for those views on Brighton, but as we know with that approach they are always potentially 1 or 2 poor windows away from crap - if they believe their own hype. ''Oh we can replace Cacedo with a cheap option, who will develop'' etc.

For clubs like Brighton and ourselves scouting like this is the holly grail, when it works it sets you up for a few years as we saw. If you then cash in on that success, as we did, but fail to adequately re-invest then the cycle will stop dead and your team will just erode because you don't have any money. It's great when it works well, but I don't think it's realistic to think it can always work out - there is an element of luck to it (and good scouting is the key to it all, which we have struggled with for a few years)

I personally think our scouting from the summer went up a notch, the problem has been the hangers on from previous windows who continue to erode the overall quality of the squad.

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

All well and good for those views on Brighton, but as we know with that approach they are always potentially 1 or 2 poor windows away from crap - if they believe their own hype. ''Oh we can replace Cacedo with a cheap option, who will develop'' etc.

For clubs like Brighton and ourselves scouting like this is the holly grail, when it works it sets you up for a few years as we saw. If you then cash in on that success, as we did, but fail to adequately re-invest then the cycle will stop dead and your team will just erode because you don't have any money. It's great when it works well, but I don't think it's realistic to think it can always work out - there is an element of luck to it (and good scouting is the key to it all, which we have struggled with for a few years)

I personally think our scouting from the summer went up a notch, the problem has been the hangers on from previous windows who continue to erode the overall quality of the squad.

We’ve been saying that for years. 
 

once we get rid of Austin, Hoedt, Claise Soares, Gunn then things will be alright, these guys are stealing a living 

actually we also need to get rid of Boufal, Lemina, Long, Carillo then things will improve 

bloody hell whilst we’ve still got Forster, McCarthy, Bertrand, Vestergaard and Redmond here draining the wage bill what do you expect?

we need to get shot of Bednnarek, Stephens, Redmond and Valery waste of  money, improve these areas we’ll be fine 

we need to get rid of Walcott, Adam Armstrong, Elyanoussi,  and what a waste of money Mara and Aribo are 

 

We’ve needed to clear out deadwood for years. 

Edited 31 December, 2022 by Turkish

[OldNick]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We’ve been saying that for years. 
 

once we get rid of Austin, Hoedt, Claise Soares, Gunn then things will be alright, these guys are stealing a living 

actually we also need to get rid of Boufal, Lemina, Long, Carillo then things will improve 

bloody hell whilst we’ve still got Forster, McCarthy, Bertrand, Vestergaard and Redmond here draining the wage bill what do you expect?

we need to get shot of Bednnarek, Stephens, Redmond and Valery waste of  money, improve these areas we’ll be fine 

we need to get rid of Walcott, Adam Armstrong, Elyanoussi,  and what a waste of money Mara and Aribo are 

 

We’ve needed to clear out deadwood for years. 

Probably be better to spend the money on Brightons scouting team, Im sure others will. Said the same about Brentford 2 years ago. Its not about black boxes but having shrewd judges who can see the potential

[AlexLaw76]

Unlike Brighton, we don't buy success; we breed it!

🤣

[Weston Super Saint]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We’ve been saying that for years. 
 

once we get rid of Austin, Hoedt, Claise Soares, Gunn then things will be alright, these guys are stealing a living 

actually we also need to get rid of Boufal, Lemina, Long, Carillo then things will improve 

bloody hell whilst we’ve still got Forster, McCarthy, Bertrand, Vestergaard and Redmond here draining the wage bill what do you expect?

we need to get shot of Bednnarek, Stephens, Redmond and Valery waste of  money, improve these areas we’ll be fine 

we need to get rid of Walcott, Adam Armstrong, Elyanoussi,  and what a waste of money Mara and Aribo are 

 

We’ve needed to clear out deadwood for years. 

To be fair, we've been OK at clearing out the deadwood.

Our problem is that once we've done it, we replace it with more - although our new tactic looks like once we've done it, we bring it fucking back again!

[davefizzy14]

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2022/southampton-enquire-for-lorient-striker-terem-moffi/

[saint1977]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We’ve been saying that for years. 
 

once we get rid of Austin, Hoedt, Claise Soares, Gunn then things will be alright, these guys are stealing a living 

actually we also need to get rid of Boufal, Lemina, Long, Carillo then things will improve 

bloody hell whilst we’ve still got Forster, McCarthy, Bertrand, Vestergaard and Redmond here draining the wage bill what do you expect?

we need to get shot of Bednnarek, Stephens, Redmond and Valery waste of  money, improve these areas we’ll be fine 

we need to get rid of Walcott, Adam Armstrong, Elyanoussi,  and what a waste of money Mara and Aribo are 

 

We’ve needed to clear out deadwood for years. 

If there was an option for a ‘like x10’ I’d have added it. S Clarke - agree with most of your post about Brighton’s scouting purple patch and same could be applied to Leicester a couple of years ago. However, there’s no way SFC’s scouting has gone up at all - Djenepo for £14m, two wonder goals, 3 years of falling over/barely playing and gets a new 3 year contract. Lavia also made of glass, Aribo a couple of goals but barely noticed otherwise, Lyanco need I say more. Perraud so so. Adam Armstrong cost similar to Eduardo. Not a roaring success either but doesn’t look like an Evostick League player. ABK and DCC are good, when they actually play them. Salisu not bad and will turn a profit but not lived up to the hype. I think he might be sold, unite DCC and ABK and sort out the DMC position with a fully grown adult who wants to start games, make tackles, win possession and turn it over eg not Lavia or Diallo. Diallo is one of the worst top flight SFC players I’ve ever seen in four decades. 

[Badger]

14 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Probably be better to spend the money on Brightons scouting team, Im sure others will. Said the same about Brentford 2 years ago. Its not about black boxes but having shrewd judges who can see the potential

Yes, have thought the same. Although it appears we’ve now established that their success was down to someone other than Ankersen.

[OldNick]

4 minutes ago, Badger said:

Yes, have thought the same. Although it appears we’ve now established that their success was down to someone other than Ankersen.

Im not sure how long Ankersen left Brentford but they seem to still find decent players

[Badger]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

Im not sure how long Ankersen left Brentford but they seem to still find decent players

From what I’ve read Phil Giles is one of the mainstays of their operation. Their recruitment has been impressive.

How much input RA has had into the recruitment there we’ll never know.

[davefizzy14]

17 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2022/southampton-enquire-for-lorient-striker-terem-moffi/

Manji - is this definitely happening? 

[SotonianWill]

11 minutes ago, Badger said:

Yes, have thought the same. Although it appears we’ve now established that their success was down to someone other than Ankersen.

That’s not what he said in his TED talk meaning there’s a 100% chance one of you are wrong, and a 43.25% chance we stay up. Thank f*ck the league table always lies I was beginning to worry about us being 20th 

[egg]

3 hours ago, Chez said:

The club has just given Djenepo a new three year contract. His ride is well and truly paid for.

That news passed me by. What a ridiculous decision. One who should have been moved on. 

[S-Clarke]

49 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

If there was an option for a ‘like x10’ I’d have added it. S Clarke - agree with most of your post about Brighton’s scouting purple patch and same could be applied to Leicester a couple of years ago. However, there’s no way SFC’s scouting has gone up at all - Djenepo for £14m, two wonder goals, 3 years of falling over/barely playing and gets a new 3 year contract. Lavia also made of glass, Aribo a couple of goals but barely noticed otherwise, Lyanco need I say more. Perraud so so. Adam Armstrong cost similar to Eduardo. Not a roaring success either but doesn’t look like an Evostick League player. ABK and DCC are good, when they actually play them. Salisu not bad and will turn a profit but not lived up to the hype. I think he might be sold, unite DCC and ABK and sort out the DMC position with a fully grown adult who wants to start games, make tackles, win possession and turn it over eg not Lavia or Diallo. Diallo is one of the worst top flight SFC players I’ve ever seen in four decades. 

My point was from the summer just gone, I saw an uptick in scouting compared to the days of Perraud/Armstrong/Lyanco etc.

I like Lavia, he's going to be a star, ditto ABK - those are the levels of potential we need to be adding, as there will be profit down the line. Edozie has something about him as well and I think we'll make a profit on him in years to come. (It's a shame it has to be referenced like that, but this is how we run - ditto Brighton)

The Moussa contract will always baffle me though, we have a knack of doing some good stuff and then totally undoing it with a bizarre call like Moussa and not signing a ST.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

We’ve been saying that for years. 
 

once we get rid of Austin, Hoedt, Claise Soares, Gunn then things will be alright, these guys are stealing a living 

actually we also need to get rid of Boufal, Lemina, Long, Carillo then things will improve 

bloody hell whilst we’ve still got Forster, McCarthy, Bertrand, Vestergaard and Redmond here draining the wage bill what do you expect?

we need to get shot of Bednnarek, Stephens, Redmond and Valery waste of  money, improve these areas we’ll be fine 

we need to get rid of Walcott, Adam Armstrong, Elyanoussi,  and what a waste of money Mara and Aribo are 

 

We’ve needed to clear out deadwood for years. 

Yeah, maybe the solution is don't buy deadwood in the first place..

[saintscottofthenortham]

15 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Even if we sell Salisu, Bednarek is very much not the answer. 

I know that. Blow me, if we had no CB’s, he isn’t the answer. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I know that. Blow me, if we had no CB’s, he isn’t the answer. 

Perhaps Bednarek can play in goal. 

[Dusic]

We know exactly what we want to do. Hopefully we have factored in this time whether the other clubs and players will enable it.

Doubt we will have anyone in for Forest but beyond that surely we need to by the Everton game or its almost pointless?

 

[Archers Road Stand]

Looking forward to the influx of new signings being announced tomorrow considering the club know what they want to do and all that PR shite. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

1 minute ago, Archers Road Stand said:

Looking forward to the influx of new signings being announced tomorrow considering the club know what they want to do and all that PR shite. 

Haha good one 😅

Im sure they’ll keep up the PR shit with some extra photos of Lavia training this week

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Archers Road Stand said:

Looking forward to the influx of new signings being announced tomorrow considering the club know what they want to do and all that PR shite. 

Exactly - as Liverpool have proven, you can line up signings before the window and complete it after 1st Jan.

If it's that obvious to us and the club are so switched on scouting wise, then I'd expect a few moves in the first week. If there are no moves in the first week then sadly it's the same old nonsense.

[ecurnew02]

If we don’t have multiple players in by the Everton game on the 14th it’s a joke. Time for Sport Republic to put their chips on the table 

[derry]

If Tella isn't recalled tomorrow we are going to be clutching at straws at the end of the window as usual. All signings should be made by the CP cup game because if they aren't we are just sitting on our hands. Trying to get bargain basement prices will end in no value.

[M271]

Maybe we can coax Dexter Blackstock out of retirement to play in goal for us, after his magnificent performance against Newcastle in 2006!! 

[bangkoksaint]

Mullin and Palmer from Wrexham. Both know where the goal is, quick and physical. Plus they know each others game. Bizarrely with what they have at Wrexham I’m not actually sure we’d be that attractive!!

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Exactly - as Liverpool have proven, you can line up signings before the window and complete it after 1st Jan.

If it's that obvious to us and the club are so switched on scouting wise, then I'd expect a few moves in the first week. If there are no moves in the first week then sadly it's the same old nonsense.

Liverpool are able to get players in early because they are Liverpool. As we know, agents like to hold out in case they can get a better club for their clients and as we know, our club isn’t the biggest draw in the EPL.

[SotonianWill]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Liverpool are able to get players in early because they are Liverpool. As we know, agents like to hold out in case they can get a better club for their clients and as we know, our club isn’t the biggest draw in the EPL.

exactly what happened with Gakpo. Deal was all agreed, but he was waiting off to see if a bigger club like Goztepe would be in for him. 

Edited 31 December, 2022 by SotonianWill

[woodsaint1]

Wont influence this window, but it would be good if the club could announce a new Head of Recruitment and Director of Football (replacing Crocker in the summer) in the next month or two. They will need to get to work sharpish for what will be a crucial summer, regardless of what division we're in

[HarvSFC]

15 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Liverpool are able to get players in early because they are Liverpool. As we know, agents like to hold out in case they can get a better club for their clients and as we know, our club isn’t the biggest draw in the EPL.

This excuse is always made. Both Nottingham Forest and Wolves have announced one signing each ahead of the window's official start. Our closest competitors in 18th and 19th.

It fits the narrative that is constantly pummelled into us by the people in charge that we're tiny little Southampton lucky to be here, rather than acting like a normal, competitive Premier League club.

[Chez]

3 hours ago, Dusic said:

We know exactly what we want to do. Hopefully we have factored in this time whether the other clubs and players will enable it.

Doubt we will have anyone in for Forest but beyond that surely we need to by the Everton game or its almost pointless?

 

NJ pointed out that well run clubs (lets not go down that route) start scouting/talks pretty much straight after the previous window closes, however the "looking since we have come in" suggests previous work may have been chucked in the bin as NJ had new criteria, as a result putting us behind where we should be, possibly.  

[SotonianWill]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

NJ pointed out that well run clubs (lets not go down that route) start scouting/talks pretty much straight after the previous window closes, however the "looking since we have come in" suggests previous work may have been chucked in the bin as NJ had new criteria, as a result putting us behind where we should be, possibly.  

I’d accept this because all previous work of the past few years has been built around the exact young inexperienced players we don’t need right now. i’m happy for Jones (if supported) to get who he wants ie a competent striker, a defensive midfielder that I feel we need 

[Saint Billy]

I somehow think we need more than a transfer window to sort this mess out. The decline has been going on for 3/4 years now and the changes that are required to put it right are wholesale.

[SotonianWill]

47 minutes ago, Saint Billy said:

I somehow think we need more than a transfer window to sort this mess out. The decline has been going on for 3/4 years now and the changes that are required to put it right are wholesale.

I strongly disagree about this. Bar Bazunu (?), the players signed in the summer are good signings it’s just they can’t be relied upon. So, within one transfer window if we bring in 3 fairly experienced premier league footballers I think it would put us in good stead to maximise the output of the squad. 

 

Well, hopefully. 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

On 27/12/2022 at 21:17, AlexLaw76 said:

people keep mentioning Chris Wood as 

On 29/12/2022 at 12:03, saintant said:

Moffi looks good. Powerful unit with skill and good in the air as well. Just what we need but I'm sure others will be looking at him.

 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

So have we signed anyone yet? 

[Give it to Ron]

25 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

So have we signed anyone yet? 

Do you think people that appointed Jones are capable of signing anyone urgently?
 

[Convict Colony]

20 hours ago, davefizzy14 said:

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2022/southampton-enquire-for-lorient-striker-terem-moffi/

AN ACTUAL RUMOUR 

[Chewy]

I know some of this impatience is a little tongue in cheek, but in all seriousness will be interesting to see how long it takes to sign the striker we’ve absolutely obviously needed since we realised Broja wasn’t going to return (i.e. about last March). 
I don’t want to sound like one of those impatient fan tw4ts but this should be done - it should have been at least 90% of the entire board and recruitment teams focus since we failed so epically in the summer.
The fact that we’re getting half rumours isn’t exactly encouraging but maybe it is done and it’s being kept out of the press? I know we do that sometimes so here’s hoping. Because the alternative of not having this sorted would be unthinkable, even by this board’s standards.

Edited 1 January, 2023 by Chewy
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