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January 2023 Transfer Window

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We finally got rid of Stephens and Bednarek and now have 3 better centre backs in ABK, DCC and Salisu. Them with Lyanco and a youngster should be fine IMO. It’s not like Bednarek or Stephens are playing well since their loans - they can’t get a game for teams who are only a few points better off than us.
 

After a striker, I’d concentrate on a big powerful DM, who could possibly slot in at CB in an emergency rather than recall 4th/5th/6th choice players…

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SotonianWill

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1 minute ago, woodsaint1 said:

DCC, ABK and Salisu have all played multiple seasons in a top league. Not sure how to quantify what experience we actually need, but Bednarek or Stephens are not the answer

it’s weird. some players are good one week them mediocre the next. the chuckle brothers of Bednarek and Stephens were part of some good defensive displays for us but my god were their ‘mediocre’ weeks dreadful. Still probably take someone leading like stephens over lyanco in defence (just about)

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Jesus HChrist. If Jones is seriously wanting to bring Bednarek and Stephens back he needs to go now. 

Our CBs are OK. They will better when the DCM is stronger. 

We need two or even three attacking players, at least one real striker. Not a pretend one from the Championship🤣

We can survive but how can any decent manager think Stpehens and Bedanrek are needed!!

 

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An absolute joke that players deemed not good enough 6 months ago are now possible solutions because we need 'experience'.

 

Exactly what is the recruitment strategy here that this can be a situation in the space of 6 months?  And what does it say about the owners if their new Manager has already told them that their approach to buying players is wrong?  I thought the whole point of this was to get a manager that was aligned with the Sport Republic approach?

 

It's yet another sign of a club going in one direction - down.  I'm used to Saints being a bit rubbish over the last 40 years, but never incompetent, just poor due to lack of finances. We're officially incompetent right now.

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SotonianWill

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4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

We are very incompetent and very embarrassing now.

This is the season it all catches up with us. We’ll be in the EFL for some time.

can’t say it’s not deserved. we must have lost the most out of any team last few years. losing 9-0 should be automatic relegation in itself. Delusion kept Ralph in when he clearly was no good and sacked him too late to appoint someone like Frank when we could have in the summer? 

Now we have to put up with a returning Bednarek and us begging to sign a striker like Chris Wood, who even then is unrealistic for us. ffs 🤣🤣

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Another example after the multiple contract extensions that the decision makers don’t have a clue. Bednarek and Stephens aren’t good enough for us and we’re 20th, so they aren’t good enough for this league.

We’re going into a relegation battle, Bednarek is passive and isn’t up for a fight. Goes missing, played in both 9-0s and what happens in the situation that we play a relegation six pointer, but Poland are playing the week after? He burnt his bridges when he got his dream move of a bigger club’s bench.

Stephens is just a Championship player. 

Jones’ father in law surely has to get on the phone quickly to explain how shite the two are.

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woodsaint1

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Not sure the Athletic article actually tells us anything groundbreaking.

Im not sure who Tanswell's contacts within the club are, but when asked they've likely told him that the club are considering all options for the window including recalling those on loan. It's normal for a new manager to want to look at the entirety of the squad. They've obviously enquired with the loan clubs to get their views on whether it would be feasible should we want to take up the option. Whether we do so remains to be seen

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I watched Lorient this afternoon, Although 7th in the table they looked awful and lost 0-2 at home to Montpellier who were about fifteen points behind them before the match. Moffi was hopeless, strolled around up front, gestured at closing down but never did, looked athletic but hardly touched the ball or got into a dangerous position in 95 minutes. there can be only two reasons for this in my view he isn't that good or he was staying out of it in case it spoilt his move away. Either way on what I saw, not for me.

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8 minutes ago, derry said:

I watched Lorient this afternoon, Although 7th in the table they looked awful and lost 0-2 at home to Montpellier who were about fifteen points behind them before the match. Moffi was hopeless, strolled around up front, gestured at closing down but never did, looked athletic but hardly touched the ball or got into a dangerous position in 95 minutes. there can be only two reasons for this in my view he isn't that good or he was staying out of it in case it spoilt his move away. Either way on what I saw, not for me.

He’ll fit right in then 😂

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Chez

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2 hours ago, DT said:

Also that we are truly Tim pot and selling Bella ketchup, Salisu, or basically everyone 

ABK is going nowhere in this window. Not a chance.

Salisu is a different kettle of fish. Him not signing a new contract in the summer is a problem (one of many obviously). He's looking increasingly likely to walk on a free, which is gonna hurt financially having turned down a huge bid from Newcastle.

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

He's looking increasingly likely to walk on a free, which is gonna hurt financially having turned down a huge bid from Newcastle.

Unlikely. He's got 18 months on his deal. Gone in January or in the summer for around about what we paid for him. 

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A new manager making a big step up into a difficult position will often lean on the club's senior players, assuming that nobody ever got sacked for picking the old pros. If Jones brings that kind of conservatism it isn't likely to end well, since we know exactly what our senior players are capable of and it isn't enough. He needs to turn the full backs, Edozie, Aribo, Mara + A.N. Other into a dynamic attack full of movement and creativity. Good luck with that.

I suspected he'd wind up one of those conservative types who tries to cram as many mediocre old pros into the side as he can. But never in my worst imaginings did I think he'd want to bring Bednarek and Stephens back to the squad.

Stinks of management by cliche.

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23 minutes ago, derry said:

I watched Lorient this afternoon, Although 7th in the table they looked awful and lost 0-2 at home to Montpellier who were about fifteen points behind them before the match. Moffi was hopeless, strolled around up front, gestured at closing down but never did, looked athletic but hardly touched the ball or got into a dangerous position in 95 minutes. there can be only two reasons for this in my view he isn't that good or he was staying out of it in case it spoilt his move away. Either way on what I saw, not for me.

Not for me either on what I saw. Didn't lead the line terribly well, didn't come across as a powerhouse forward or a tricky skillfull forward either...totally one footed.

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1 hour ago, SotonianWill said:

We need a midfield two of Lyanco and Stephens to once for all decide if they’d ever be good as defensive midfielders. 

I banged the drum about Stephens playing midfield. Then he did and it was a disaster. Put me firmly back in my box.

I think Lyanco has a little bit more about him but only as emergency cover.

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12 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Unlikely. He's got 18 months on his deal. Gone in January or in the summer for around about what we paid for him. 

quite possibly. Not ideal though. Our model relies on making some serious money on the successful signings. I wonder if the club's experience with Salisu (getting a big offer early in his Saints career, but turning it down and then seeing his value plummet) will effect how they consider offers in the future (such as for Lavia). We shall see.

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5 minutes ago, macca155 said:

I banged the drum about Stephens playing midfield. Then he did and it was a disaster. Put me firmly back in my box.

I think Lyanco has a little bit more about him but only as emergency cover.

Stephens wasn't bad on the ball for a CB, but Lyanco is better. Might work better than Diallo. Might not.

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20 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Lavia won’t be sold this window. Bed wetters talking about this like how JWP was sold in the sum…. Oh yeah he didn’t go, did he 👍🏻

Every fan can see we need a GK, a CM or two, a winger or two and a striker. 
The reality is we won’t get that many players in. We’ll get a couple but I don’t think they’ll be the overhaul that everyone is expecting.

Bednarek returning is just boring paper talk. Not really concrete or what we need.
Tella too, it depends entirely on the clauses involved and failing that how much teams are willing to pay to get their player back/cut the loan short.

I wish we’d cut AMN loan short. Haven’t been too impressed with him but then who has been ground-breaking for us this season? 🤷🏻‍♂️

There’s a number of players I’d love us to cash in on but again the reality is it won’t happen.

Still the declarative tone about Lavia, appearing to have inside info. Hmm. 

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After a new CB? Bednarek back? Good Lord we are inept. We have three decent CBS in ABK, Salisu and DCC and a fairly competent one in Lyanco, it is our strongest position. The reason we have leaked goals all season is not because of them, it is because of the constant change of formations and line ups, the lack of defensive midfield cover in front of them and not having fit FBs for chunks of the season. CB is literally the last position I’d be looking at bringing someone in and yet we seem to be after a CB.

 

This club. :facepalm:

 

We need a DM or defensive minded CM to cover Lavia absence, and then most of an attack. A new GK would be a bonus.

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47 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said:

I suspected he'd wind up one of those conservative types who tries to cram as many mediocre old pros into the side as he can. But never in my worst imaginings did I think he'd want to bring Bednarek and Stephens back to the squad.

Stinks of management by cliche.

Hah, and didn't notice the Athletic article also mentioned how keen NJ is on keeping Walcott for all his invaluable experience.

This is going to be a disaster.

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1 hour ago, derry said:

I watched Lorient this afternoon, Although 7th in the table they looked awful and lost 0-2 at home to Montpellier who were about fifteen points behind them before the match. Moffi was hopeless, strolled around up front, gestured at closing down but never did, looked athletic but hardly touched the ball or got into a dangerous position in 95 minutes. there can be only two reasons for this in my view he isn't that good or he was staying out of it in case it spoilt his move away. Either way on what I saw, not for me.

His heads been turned already

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9 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Well he's scored 2 so far so he'd be out of place here

Yep I’m watching. Hence I mentioned it. Puts himself about…lots of tenacity,pretty good finishes too. 
but then he’s playing against an atrocious QPR. 
10 goals this season thus far for him. 

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On 28/12/2022 at 20:24, DT said:

I think we will recall Tella and kid ourselves he is ‘like a new signing’, (for that, read cheap), recall Bednarek (‘proven international’), sell Lavia for 50 mill, and plough none of that into anyone decent because they won’t come to a team at the bottom with a shouty lower league boss. Oh, and KWP will go back to Spurs. We will be relegated with a record lowest points total, having failed to buy a decent DM too. Happy New Year! 😉

At least you'll be happy..

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10 hours ago, derry said:

I watched Lorient this afternoon, Although 7th in the table they looked awful and lost 0-2 at home to Montpellier who were about fifteen points behind them before the match. Moffi was hopeless, strolled around up front, gestured at closing down but never did, looked athletic but hardly touched the ball or got into a dangerous position in 95 minutes. there can be only two reasons for this in my view he isn't that good or he was staying out of it in case it spoilt his move away. Either way on what I saw, not for me.

Sounds like he ticks every box we look for.

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Don't get the Lavia stuff on here. He is clearly injured.

We rushed him back for the Liverpool game, he limped off injured in the second half and wasn't in any of the early training pics when the players came back and in Spain was in some pictures but barely any of the videos of the actual training (same as Tino).

He has only played 7 games and the decision to bring him in to start a game at Anfield before a month break for the WC looks to be an absolutely stupid one as he will probably end up missing most of this crucial run of fixtures we have.

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3 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Don't get the Lavia stuff on here. He is clearly injured.

We rushed him back for the Liverpool game, he limped off injured in the second half and wasn't in any of the early training pics when the players came back and in Spain was in some pictures but barely any of the videos of the actual training (same as Tino).

He has only played 7 games and the decision to bring him in to start a game at Anfield before a month break for the WC looks to be an absolutely stupid one as he will probably end up missing most of this crucial run of fixtures we have.

Unfortunately DT loves a conspiracy. 🤣

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11 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

So far Luton have played 2 games without NJ, 2 wins and up to 5th

Which just proves the affect of any Manager on how well a team plays is severely overstated.

Players win games in sport not managers/coaches

If Pep Guardiola was managing us with the current squad, we would not do much better in my opinion.

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7 minutes ago, Saint Trev said:

Which just proves the affect of any Manager on how well a team plays is severely overstated.

Players win games in sport not managers/coaches

If Pep Guardiola was managing us with the current squad, we would not do much better in my opinion.

That's so wrong. Players need to understand the shape of the team, player movement, set piece defending, set piece attacking, what the opponent's are likely to do, etc, etc, etc,etc,etc.

Not do much better with Pep 😂

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