Toadhall Saint Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 4 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: I'm probably bitter, but i don't feel sorry for the at all. brings back memories of when we used to get raped by the likes of arse-anal, Brighton can always bring this guy back when he is way past his best and looking for a final pay check https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2675327/amp/Ronald-Koeman-tweets-view-Southampton-training-ground-without-player-sight.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 11 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: Caicedo at Brighton has just posted this on instagram…got to feel a bit sorry for them really, they’ve been pillaged. But there is no deal accepted yet, and guessing he’s trying to force a move…. Modern football for you… Trouble is, this is now the model for clubs like ours. Scout well and get profit. Sadly it’s very short timescales now. Lavia will be gone soon. Have hardly seen him. Prem football is a bit human trafficky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 16 minutes ago, CB Fry said: And it's a really exciting deadline day here in St Mary's where newly appointed manager Paul "Eggy" Egginson has already stamped his ideas on the squad. The former Blyth Spartans boss has swooped to bring in former players "Smudge" Watkins, Johnny the Postman, Spanish Colin, "Leaky" Jenkins and Mick the Spark. I am hoping that Johnny when he isn’t posting letters is posting goals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grezz Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 3 hours ago, goodymatt said: God is our new striker. That’s why we were kicking it towards heaven so often vs Forest… Not gonna work. His omnipresence will see him caught offside every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 7 minutes ago, grezz said: Not gonna work. His omnipresence will see him caught offside every time. And then Jesus saves 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 Jason Wilcox who will be our new Director Of Football. Will be in charge of player recruitment next season. Just saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 18 minutes ago, DT said: Trouble is, this is now the model for clubs like ours. Scout well and get profit. Sadly it’s very short timescales now. Lavia will be gone soon. Have hardly seen him. Prem football is a bit human trafficky Drama queen 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 One of Lecce's other midfielders went off injured in their game tonight. Doubt that would help our already slim chances of getting Hjulmand in this window. In the written section of Jones press conference he said we know who we want (Sulemana) and also the selling clubs that have been seeking a higher price know time is running out. Said we want either a striker or someone who can play across the front and will create different types of chances to what we do now. He kind of suggested that if/once we sort the priority player (Sulemana) then perhaps something else might happen too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dusic said: One of Lecce's other midfielders went off injured in their game tonight. Doubt that would help our already slim chances of getting Hjulmand in this window. In the written section of Jones press conference he said we know who we want (Sulemana) and also the selling clubs that have been seeking a higher price know time is running out. Said we want either a striker or someone who can play across the front and will create different types of chances to what we do now. He kind of suggested that if/once we sort the priority player (Sulemana) then perhaps something else might happen too. I just listened to the press conference and its clear that's the player we want. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 Something underwhelming like Karlan Grant from WBA, or Deniz Undav from Brighton, on loan at the last minute is my prediction of where we'll end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I just listened to the press conference and its clear that's the player we want. Can you post a link? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 find the whole notion of going after a pacey inexperienced winger very odd, rather than recall our own pacey winger at Burnley. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Baird of the land said: find the whole notion of going after a pacey inexperienced winger very odd, rather than recall our own pacey winger at Burnley. Yep. I don't get it all. Finding a different way/person to set up chances for Che to miss is pointless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said: Caicedo at Brighton has just posted this on instagram…got to feel a bit sorry for them really, they’ve been pillaged. But there is no deal accepted yet, and guessing he’s trying to force a move…. Modern football for you… He's looking to be better than Delgado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 A few weeks ago we were linked with the other Rennes winger Jeremy Doku too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 1 hour ago, Toadhall Saint said: Strong and fast? Well, Orsic doesn't look particularly strong or fast. Hard to say about aggression. Sulemana looks quick, but strong and aggressive wouldn't be the terms I'd use. Skillfull, pacey dribbler would be my three word description. He looks quite exciting . Someone that will provide more quality and more of a threat, hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 13 minutes ago, egg said: Yep. I don't get it all. Finding a different way/person to set up chances for Che to miss is pointless. We will create more chances. Che doesn't miss them all. Not pointless at all. Besides, maybe Mara will get the shirt? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chez said: We will create more chances. Che doesn't miss them all. Not pointless at all. Besides, maybe Mara will get the shirt? To be fair, Che misses almost everything, ever. But yeah. Hope Mara gets the shirt. Just a shame our ambition is so pitifully low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 56 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Drama queen 😂 Bit harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 53 minutes ago, Dusic said: One of Lecce's other midfielders went off injured in their game tonight. Doubt that would help our already slim chances of getting Hjulmand in this window. In the written section of Jones press conference he said we know who we want (Sulemana) and also the selling clubs that have been seeking a higher price know time is running out. Said we want either a striker or someone who can play across the front and will create different types of chances to what we do now. He kind of suggested that if/once we sort the priority player (Sulemana) then perhaps something else might happen too. Usually Id agree with the whole ‘Try to save money here, so we can spend there sentiment’ But with the club looking over its shoulder at relegation and already halfway through a very (on paper) favourable group of fixtures I can’t help but feel we’d of been better off getting the frontline recruitment sorted earlier even if it cost us extra A further 9 points has now alluded us that this mythical forward could of helped us achieve 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 13 minutes ago, Chez said: We will create more chances. Che doesn't miss them all. Not pointless at all. Besides, maybe Mara will get the shirt? I'd rather have someone who's more able to take the chances we create, not someone teeing up more chances for Che to miss. We need a striker, not a winger - let's not let the lack of striker links make us kid ourselves that we need a winger. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 January, 2023 Share Posted 27 January, 2023 40 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Can you post a link? Cheers It's on the saints YouTube channel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 Let's face it we're not getting a quality striker. I mean how could we? It's such a short amount of time from when we knew Broja wasn't staying until Jan 31st. Our hands were tied, what could we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 It’s borderline panic buying for us now, but then again this should’ve been done six months ago. 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 27 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: It’s borderline panic buying for us now, but then again this should’ve been done six months ago. 🤷🏻♂️ Or brinksmanship like a lot of the windows of the past, whose going to crack first the buyer or the seller as time starts running out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 7 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said: Usually Id agree with the whole ‘Try to save money here, so we can spend there sentiment’ But with the club looking over its shoulder at relegation and already halfway through a very (on paper) favourable group of fixtures I can’t help but feel we’d of been better off getting the frontline recruitment sorted earlier even if it cost us extra A further 9 points has now alluded us that this mythical forward could of helped us achieve “Looking over our shoulder at relegation”? Its more stating us on the face I would say. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 8 hours ago, DT said: Trouble is, this is now the model for clubs like ours. Scout well and get profit. Sadly it’s very short timescales now. Lavia will be gone soon. Have hardly seen him. Prem football is a bit human trafficky Maybe someone could make this into a poster and put it in the dark room (is it still called a black box?), where the spotty teenagers wank themselves silly over spreadsheets and xG. Like a motivational memo from the '80s, who knows, it might work.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 32 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: Or brinksmanship like a lot of the windows of the past, whose going to crack first the buyer or the seller as time starts running out. That worked out well in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkswood Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 8 hours ago, Chez said: Well, Orsic doesn't look particularly strong or fast. Hard to say about aggression. Sulemana looks quick, but strong and aggressive wouldn't be the terms I'd use. Skillfull, pacey dribbler would be my three word description. He looks quite exciting . Someone that will provide more quality and more of a threat, hopefully. Looks like he can win a few free kicks around the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: That worked out well in the summer. Winning the "we didn't blink first" award is so much more satisfying than degrading ourselves by actually signing a goalscorer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 10 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Winning the "we didn't blink first" award is so much more satisfying than degrading ourselves by actually signing a goalscorer. Marty is known for wearing a very robust eyeliner and mascara during negotiations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 You know we will most likely get a winger in at the last minute (although I'm not discounting the possibility that we get no one) and then see a load of fluff about us not panicking and about how we had always planned for this scenario and everything has gone to plan. The reality is that the failure to get someone earlier has probably already cost us points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: Maybe someone could make this into a poster and put it in the dark room (is it still called a black box?), where the spotty teenagers wank themselves silly over spreadsheets and xG. Like a motivational memo from the '80s, who knows, it might work.... To a point I agree. 🤣 Spreadsheets and data mean fuck all if the teenager on the pitch that day can’t be arsed to give his all. I’d say it’s down to mentality as well as ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: That worked out well in the summer. Hopefully they've learnt that sometimes we should lose to win long-term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: Hopefully they've learnt that sometimes we should lose to win long-term My hopes that they'd learnt diminished significantly when we'd got to the Everton game without signing an attacker. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 37 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: You know we will most likely get a winger in at the last minute (although I'm not discounting the possibility that we get no one) and then see a load of fluff about us not panicking and about how we had always planned for this scenario and everything has gone to plan. The reality is that the failure to get someone earlier has probably already cost us points. I can see you are getting terribly excited about us possibly matching or breaking our transfer record. The reality is, a lot of signings provide little immediate impact as they don't hit the ground running. A delay in signing him now means a delay in him providing an impact. So, going on that theory, perhaps it's not cost us points already, but maybe we'd of had more chance in some games coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chez said: I can see you are getting terribly excited about us possibly matching or breaking our transfer record. The reality is, a lot of signings provide little immediate impact as they don't hit the ground running. A delay in signing him now means a delay in him providing an impact. So, going on that theory, perhaps it's not cost us points already, but maybe we'd of had more chance in some games coming up. Hence why I said probably as nothing is definite in life. I know your opinion is that we don't need a striker but I would suggest that you are in a real minority here. Edited 28 January, 2023 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 The failure to back Ralph in the summer with a creative player and a striker is why we are in this mess. If we did the above Ralph would still be here and we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. It's been one cluster fk of decision making by the clowns at the helm.... It's just embarrassing the same old rhetoric and snails pace of signing and trying to undercut.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, ally_uk said: The failure to back Ralph in the summer with a creative player and a striker is why we are in this mess. If we did the above Ralph would still be here and we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. It's been one cluster fk of decision making by the clowns at the helm.... It's just embarrassing the same old rhetoric and snails pace of signing and trying to undercut.... This - nothing has changed under Jones, same issues in defence and upfront, he’s just injected a bit more aggression and lost a bit more possession. He can’t get a tune out of those players anymore than Ralf could, but he’s been given a few more players to play with. They fixed the wrong problem…unless they wanted a manager who knew the championship as mitigation for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 The difference between good ownership and bad ownership is reactive and pro-active people at the top. Guess which one tends to sit with which? 🤣 Bonus point - which type do you think ours are right now? 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 20 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Hence why I said probably as nothing is definite in life. I know your opinion is that we don't need a striker but I would suggest that you are in a real minority here. I have never said that. Not once. I don't rate Che, and like everyone else, I've been disappointed with Armstrong and thus would welcome a better striker. I've been suggesting we sign Beto and Jackson for weeks. I just don't go on about our failure to do so, morning, noon and night. My arguement was, and has always only ever been that we did sign A striker in the summer, Mara, for £12m and it annoys me that its overlooked. No one says we didn't sign a keeper or a centre midfielder. Sure, he might not be a £30m player (I suggested we sign Scamacca - so what do I know), but he is a centre forward that imo replaced Broja, not Shane Long, as you suggest. He's not been anywhere near as effective as Broja so far, but he is a striker. Maybe just the wrong one, although after Tuesday I have high hopes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 Just to add that being in the minority on here ain't always a bad thing. The rate the transfer window thread is a case in point. How the fuck you rate a window until you've seen the players play I don't know. Also, I've seen posts suggesting that "creating more chances is pointless if Che is on the end of them". I'm sure that's a tongue in cheek comment, but if not, it just shows how fans have worked themselves into a frenzy over the lack of a striker signing. If Che is a one in five chance guy, then let's ensure we are not just feeding him one or two chances. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chez said: I have never said that. Not once. I don't rate Che, and like everyone else, I've been disappointed with Armstrong and thus would welcome a better striker. I've been suggesting we sign Beto and Jackson for weeks. I just don't go on about our failure to do so, morning, noon and night. My arguement was, and has always only ever been that we did sign A striker in the summer, Mara, for £12m and it annoys me that its overlooked. No one says we didn't sign a keeper or a centre midfielder. Sure, he might not be a £30m player (I suggested we sign Scamacca - so what do I know), but he is a centre forward that imo replaced Broja, not Shane Long, as you suggest. He's not been anywhere near as effective as Broja so far, but he is a striker. Maybe just the wrong one, although after Tuesday I have high hopes. To be fair the point is that in August Ralph was saying we were going to sign a first team striker. He wasn't saying "we've done that, its Mara, he's the striker we've signed". Everything about Mara at the time was about him being one for the future, absolutely not that he was the striker we were promised. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Chez said: Just to add that being in the minority on here ain't always a bad thing. The rate the transfer window thread is a case in point. How the fuck you rate a window until you've seen the players play I don't know. Also, I've seen posts suggesting that "creating more chances is pointless if Che is on the end of them". I'm sure that's a tongue in cheek comment, but if not, it just shows how fans have worked themselves into a frenzy over the lack of a striker signing. If Che is a one in five chance guy, then let's ensure we are not just feeding him one or two chances. Your willingness to accept that we should settle for carrying on with a striker who misses chance, and that we try to fix the problem by creating more chances in the hope he'll finish one of them, is one of the strangest opinions I've ever read on here. I think it's obvious to most that the better solution is to have a striker who's less wasteful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, egg said: Your willingness to accept that we should settle for carrying on with a striker who misses chance, and that we try to fix the problem by creating more chances in the hope he'll finish one of them, is one of the strangest opinions I've ever read on here. I think it's obvious to most that the better solution is to have a striker who's less wasteful. Exactly this, my thoughts when I read it as well. Its all very well having players who can create chances but who the hell is doing the important job of putting them in the net ? Oh, that'll be the new striker we haven't got, of course ! 😕 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chez said: Just to add that being in the minority on here ain't always a bad thing. The rate the transfer window thread is a case in point. How the fuck you rate a window until you've seen the players play I don't know. So do you never anticipate how a signing might do? Or whether we may win a game or not? Or where we may finish in the league at the start of a season? That's all the rate the transfer thread is. An anticipation on how saints will do based on the signings we made (or didn't make). Yes we can all be completely wrong (although I still think we strengthened in the summer transfer and therefore has a decent window, hanging onto Ralph was the real issue) but the anticipation of where the club is going is pretty much the only joy we get as fans at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 1 minute ago, CB Fry said: To be fair the point is that in August Ralph was saying we were going to sign a first team striker. He wasn't saying "we've done that, its Mara, he's the striker we've signed". Everything about Mara at the time was about him being one for the future, absolutely not that he was the striker we were promised. Sure. I repeat, all I've ever said was we signed A striker. Mara was always going to be with the first team squad, just like Broja was. I don't remember Ralph's comments (not sure it matters much now), but were we ever after another striker? We tried to sign Gakpo, who was a left winger, not a striker. Ralph would have to have signed that off. If he requested a striker, who was that guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chez said: Just to add that being in the minority on here ain't always a bad thing. The rate the transfer window thread is a case in point. How the fuck you rate a window until you've seen the players play I don't know. Also, I've seen posts suggesting that "creating more chances is pointless if Che is on the end of them". I'm sure that's a tongue in cheek comment, but if not, it just shows how fans have worked themselves into a frenzy over the lack of a striker signing. If Che is a one in five chance guy, then let's ensure we are not just feeding him one or two chances. I don't necessarily have an issue with create more chances for Che. What i do find bizarre is why we won't recall Tella if a youngish pacey wide man is the desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 9 minutes ago, egg said: Your willingness to accept that we should settle for carrying on with a striker who misses chance, and that we try to fix the problem by creating more chances in the hope he'll finish one of them, is one of the strangest opinions I've ever read on here. I think it's obvious to most that the better solution is to have a striker who's less wasteful. If we can get a decent striker, bring him in. If we can't, then in my opinion it's no bad thing to bring in a talented attacker to create more chances. I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm saying if one is not possible then do the other. You just want to pigeon hole to give you someone to argue with. I state this regularly, we need better quality in every position. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 January, 2023 Share Posted 28 January, 2023 13 hours ago, Appy said: You’re wondering why Southampton Football Club are signing a player who runs about with no end product? it's only force of habit, they've been doing that for the last 5 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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