Wolves 1-0 Saints - Match Thread

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Different rulings for attackers and defenders. Yes, it’s a complete horlicks.

Edit: I’ve found a reference to the IFAB ruling,

“Starting from June 1, 2019 onwards, the IFAB have confirmed that a goal scored or created with the use of an accidental handball will not count.”

Also,

“There will be no penalty if: 

the ball touches a player's hand/arm immediately from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player.”

Nothing there about touching their hand after they’ve juggled it from one to the other.

That second ruling confirms that we should have had a penalty for one of the second or third handballs (we knew that anyway, but why didnt the fucking VAR official).

[East Kent Saint]

BTW can any of our Saints team head the ball into the goal ???

[Matty's Caddy]

The result hangs on bazuna fucking up for their goal and che not putting that away.
For a big centre forward his heading is shite. Should have been 0-1. 
considering the amount of times we get the ball in the box from out wide / corners etc, I’m amazed we create so little chances. 
JWP amazing dead ball specialist, yeah? How come we never score from them? cb’s should be getting at least 6 a season between them surely…

Perhaps that’s why we’ve just let the set piece coach go?

there’s a long way to go yet before we’re truly competitive. 
need a proper front man in Jan though…..

[Saint_lambden]

Kalajdzic confirmed to have done his ACL yesterday and will be out for a long time. 

[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Kalajdzic confirmed to have done his ACL yesterday and will be out for a long time. 

Crikey, that's a shocker. It was really innocuous as well.

I don't think anyone will be able to top that for a worst debut. He has had bad knee probs in the past too.

[Dman]

4 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Kalajdzic confirmed to have done his ACL yesterday and will be out for a long time. 

He looked crap before that anyway. Reminded me of that Big geezer who Burnley signed last season, who also came from Germany. 
 

Doesn’t look quick enough and funny enough strong enough for the PL. lucky escape I’d say. 

[AlexLaw76]

13 minutes ago, Dman said:

He looked crap before that anyway. Reminded me of that Big geezer who Burnley signed last season, who also came from Germany. 
 

Doesn’t look quick enough and funny enough strong enough for the PL. lucky escape I’d say. 

I know it was his first game, but stunned some wanted him here.  He looked exactly like you say.  In this league, you need some pace/movement with that power up top, unless you are world class at something else..  He appeared to have neither

[derry]

If anyone really wants to pin down who was really to blame for Wolves goal take a look at Elyanoussi's pathetic foot waving as he gave up on the tackle and lost the ball. He plays like a pussy, Closing down without any physical aggression. He only needed to crunch the Wolves player and Wolves were going nowhere. He should be taught how to tackle and if he lacks the balls get rid of him. If Hasenhuttl  wants him to press he's living in cloud cuckoo land. Elyanoussi is a nice bloke but chicken.

[Saint_clark]

Just now, derry said:

If anyone really wants to pin down who was really to blame for Wolves goal take a look at Elyanoussi's pathetic foot waving as he gave up on the tackle and lost the ball. He plays like a pussy, Closing down without any physical aggression. He only needed to crunch the Wolves player and Wolves were going nowhere. He should be taught how to tackle and if he lacks the balls get rid of him. If Hasenhuttl  wants him to press he's living in cloud cuckoo land. Elyanoussi is a nice bloke but chicken.

There were fuck ups from three other players after the incident you're referring to and it happened about 60 yards away from goal. 

[derry]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

There were fuck ups from three other players after the incident you're referring to and it happened about 60 yards away from goal. 

Of course it did but he was the one who had the chance to stop it in it's tracks but chickened out, from then on we weren't at the races outnumbered and hit on the break and a goal from a classic back post overload seconds later.

[Saint Garrett]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

He looked crap before that anyway. Reminded me of that Big geezer who Burnley signed last season, who also came from Germany. 
 

Doesn’t look quick enough and funny enough strong enough for the PL. lucky escape I’d say. 

Yup. Looked nowhere near good enough to be a decent premier league player, but probably an option to be a nuisance. 

Never nice when someone gets a long term injury though. 

[Chris cooper]

6 hours ago, david in sweden said:

although I would be more pleased if we could have waited until Ivan Toney hits a streak of blank scoring games......

He’ll be covered in ketchup next Saturday don’t worry 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

Yup. Looked nowhere near good enough to be a decent premier league player, but probably an option to be a nuisance. 

Never nice when someone gets a long term injury though. 

To be fair, Pelle looked rubbish at first

[AlexLaw76]

Wolves have invited Diego Costa over to potentially sign a deal

[Roo1976]

The more pundits and fans go on about Che's miss and Bamfords miss, Che's fucking miss (sitter,whatever)is so much worse.Even if he didnt jump he could have chested the ball in from about a foot!

[S-Clarke]

6 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

The more pundits and fans go on about Che's miss and Bamfords miss, Che's fucking miss (sitter,whatever)is so much worse.Even if he didnt jump he could have chested the ball in from about a foot!

That miss is why he'll never be a top striker. No composure and he panics at chances, which is a disaster for a striker.

Got no problem with his overall game and what he brings to us, but it's all pretty pointless unless we have someone who can score profiting from his hold up and hustling (As we did with Ings)

Edited 4 September, 2022 by S-Clarke

[sadoldgit]

On 03/09/2022 at 18:29, Lord Duckhunter said:

Just as bad as proclaiming we’ve bought in more quality, despite not having a fucking clue who they are, or ever seen them play. 
 

Priceless. 

I have seen every league  game we have played this season and it is clear that the new signings are quality. You may disagree but given your track record in supporting losers (Boris Johnson and Batman to name two) your judgement is as dodgy as your strange lack of mental development that has left you still rooted midway through the last century.

[Roo1976]

22 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Sums up us not going for a striker today ..

trouble with adams is he does have Shane long type tendencies to fuck up really easy chances what are easier to score then miss but like long can find a way.. Armstrongs finishing is rough too really need to hope Mara can be the solution now but it’s a bizzare decision to not upgrade the most obvious position..

on the positive side though one thing we have done well is we look to have big time strengthened up the defence and midfield.. looks like we are kinda. Building from the back, but now we look much harder to beat and that we will compete in most games which could see a upturn in results 

Shane Long shinned one today for his new club..........................................never leaves ya does it............

[Dan Johnson]

11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That miss is why he'll never be a top striker. No composure and he panics at chances, which is a disaster for a striker.

Got no problem with his overall game and what he brings to us, but it's all pretty pointless unless we have someone who can score profiting from his hold up and hustling (As we did with Ings)

Completely agree with this, I’m a big Che fan by the way and think he’s good for 10 goals a season, however that miss was inexcusable and it’s indicative of his composure and why we need another striker alongside him/to take the pressure off him, I worry the more pressure he’s under the more we may see instances like that. He’s better when he can throw his body at something, rather than having time to think, again the chance almost directly after where he attacked the ball was a fine example 

 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

57 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have seen every league  game we have played this season 

I’m calling pony. 

[skintsaint]

10 hours ago, Matty's Caddy said:

bazuna fucking up

It wasn't really. IMO the guy was hitting it first time from close range so he had to make a judgement on where he thought it was going to go. Unfortunately the bad mishit really made him look terrible but I'd bet most keepers would have done the same.

If the bloke had connected like he wanted to and drilled it in at the post he would be hounded for why Bazunu hadn't dived and saved it.

Can't defend Adams miss, can only speculate why he jumped for the ball as I expect he thought he would be challenged by a defender. Still it was wank.

Hate Wolves right now, that's at least the last three games where they have stitched us up.

[stevy777_x]

7 hours ago, skintsaint said:

It wasn't really. IMO the guy was hitting it first time from close range so he had to make a judgement on where he thought it was going to go. Unfortunately the bad mishit really made him look terrible but I'd bet most keepers would have done the same.

If the bloke had connected like he wanted to and drilled it in at the post he would be hounded for why Bazunu hadn't dived and saved it.

Can't defend Adams miss, can only speculate why he jumped for the ball as I expect he thought he would be challenged by a defender. Still it was wank.

Hate Wolves right now, that's at least the last three games where they have stitched us up.

Let s be honest here, if McCarthy had been in goal, the outcry on here would have been huge.

[skintsaint]

15 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Let s be honest here, if McCarthy had been in goal, the outcry on here would have been huge.

If AM had stood there and it went in near post then yeah I would have had a pop.

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’m calling pony. 

Call it what you like, I have watched every league game this season, which isn’t difficult with streaming. Strange that you are happy to vote for and support congenital liar but will call out a complete stranger on an Internet forum who has absolutely no reason to lie but still attracts your attention and suspicion for not being a right wing blowhard like yourself. 

[Turkish]

45 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Call it what you like, I have watched every league game this season, which isn’t difficult with streaming. Strange that you are happy to vote for and support congenital liar but will call out a complete stranger on an Internet forum who has absolutely no reason to lie but still attracts your attention and suspicion for not being a right wing blowhard like yourself. 

Do you ever stop whinging, droning on and bleating ? Youve even got some weird voting post and right wing dig on a thread about Saints last match. Have a day off will you FFS. You’ll do yourself and the rest of us a favour 

Edited 5 September, 2022 by Turkish

[Charlie Wayman]

Hell's Bells, everyone piling in on our players after a narrow defeat. Nothing ever changes. Any chance they get the Boo boys are in with their vile effing and blinding about how useless all our players are. It is so depressingly predictable and so nauseating that these people claim to be fans.  

For heaven's sake, we have have had a huge number of changes of personnel and it will take a while for the whole set-up to gel, expecting miracles overnight is dumb and to expect us instantly to have a team of world beaters is even dumber. Be patient, and wait to see what happens after the WC break.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Edited 5 September, 2022 by Charlie Wayman

[trousers]

20 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Hell's Bells, everyone piling in on our players after a narrow defeat. Nothing ever changes. Any chance they get the Boo boys are in with their vile effing and blinding about how useless all our players are. It is so depressingly predictable and so nauseating that these people claim to be fans.  

For heaven's sake, we have have had a huge number of changes of personnel and it will take a while for the whole set-up to gel, expecting miracles overnight is dumb and to expect us instantly to have a team of world beaters is even dumber. Be patient, and wait to see what happens after the WC break.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Always good to see the positive version of Charlie posting

[suewhistle]

I know! Me agreeing with Charlie Wayman! 🙂   Why do some people need someone to blame all the time, and concentrate on a few specific incidents. It's sport by humans, not a mechanistic game of numbers by automatons.

Bazunu was fooled by what looked like a mishit, but people would be complaining if he was static and not anticipating, which you just have to in goal. His distribution has really aided getting us up the pitch, and we all know what happens to McCarthy's clearances.  Similarly with Adams: the amount of work he puts in really helps us as a team, but some have to concentrate on moments where he should have done better. It's where we are and I'd still prefer him to an uncrocked Kaladjzic.

There's plenty of legitimate points to make: lack of goals from set pieces for example, but they will come, I feel. In his cameos Elodozie has shown excitingly quick feet as well as pace, and looks a definite upgrade on Redmond, with a greater potential for getting free kicks in dangerous places. All the new players look decent, but most are young and inexperienced at this level and playing alongside each other for the first time. As they gain more confidence in each other's abilities and limitations I hope to see better performances.

After all, we could have been in Leicester's position..

 

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

I know! Me agreeing with Charlie Wayman! 🙂   Why do some people need someone to blame all the time, and concentrate on a few specific incidents. It's sport by humans, not a mechanistic game of numbers by automatons.

Bazunu was fooled by what looked like a mishit, but people would be complaining if he was static and not anticipating, which you just have to in goal. His distribution has really aided getting us up the pitch, and we all know what happens to McCarthy's clearances.  Similarly with Adams: the amount of work he puts in really helps us as a team, but some have to concentrate on moments where he should have done better. It's where we are and I'd still prefer him to an uncrocked Kaladjzic.

There's plenty of legitimate points to make: lack of goals from set pieces for example, but they will come, I feel. In his cameos Elodozie has shown excitingly quick feet as well as pace, and looks a definite upgrade on Redmond, with a greater potential for getting free kicks in dangerous places. All the new players look decent, but most are young and inexperienced at this level and playing alongside each other for the first time. As they gain more confidence in each other's abilities and limitations I hope to see better performances.

After all, we could have been in Leicester's position..

 

What League champions, FA cup winners, champions league football and two 5th places finishes, only once outside the top 10 in the last 6 years. Yeah who’d want that 🙄

Edited 5 September, 2022 by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

18 hours ago, skintsaint said:

It wasn't really. IMO the guy was hitting it first time from close range so he had to make a judgement on where he thought it was going to go. Unfortunately the bad mishit really made him look terrible but I'd bet most keepers would have done the same.

If the bloke had connected like he wanted to and drilled it in at the post he would be hounded for why Bazunu hadn't dived and saved it.

Can't defend Adams miss, can only speculate why he jumped for the ball as I expect he thought he would be challenged by a defender. Still it was wank.

Hate Wolves right now, that's at least the last three games where they have stitched us up.

Bazunu's reaction was one of knowing he had a good chance of stopping it , had it been a clean hit, and frustration that it was the bounce of a mishit that took it past him.

Much more important was us getting caught with such a large gap down that side. We'd either overcommitted, or someone had gone missing. As we were on the attack when it happened - KWP forward and Mo on his rear after trying to slide a pass through to set up a good chance -I'm thinking the former.

That's a difficult balance. Too over cautious and you end up with a Redmond being told to pass it across or back all the time. Too forward thinking, and you have a Redmond taking on players, losing the ball and the team trying to hurry back: The Redmond Dilemma. 🙂

[Dark Munster]

9 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Bazunu's reaction was one of knowing he had a good chance of stopping it , had it been a clean hit, and frustration that it was the bounce of a mishit that took it past him.

Much more important was us getting caught with such a large gap down that side. We'd either overcommitted, or someone had gone missing. As we were on the attack when it happened - KWP forward and Mo on his rear after trying to slide a pass through to set up a good chance -I'm thinking the former.

That's a difficult balance. Too over cautious and you end up with a Redmond being told to pass it across or back all the time. Too forward thinking, and you have a Redmond taking on players, losing the ball and the team trying to hurry back: The Redmond Dilemma. 🙂

In short, the goal was Redmond's fault!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, Dark Munster said:

In short, the goal was Redmond's fault!

Oh no, it will have been McCarthy's fault. But Redmond gets an assist. 🙂

Redmond's the one I think of trying to walk the lines of RalphBall. I think at the end of last season, he just said stuff it and thumped one into the net. 🙂

[verlaine1979]

Didn't actually think Che's hold up play was that good yesterday either. After winning plenty of headers against Tiago Silva and Koulibaly, he barely got a sniff out of the Wolves CBs.

[East Kent Saint]

How's JWP doing this season , doesn't seem to score highly in player ratings (not that they are a good guide) ??

[Saint Garrett]

2 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

How's JWP doing this season , doesn't seem to score highly in player ratings (not that they are a good guide) ??

Thought he was quality vs Wolves. Sure it will take a bit of time to get used to playing a bit higher up the pitch. 

[david in sweden]

On 04/09/2022 at 20:44, Ex Lion Tamer said:

To be fair, Pelle looked rubbish at first

....as did Sadio Mane as I recall.    In fact one bright fan even likened Mane to Ali Dia (!)... during his first month. 

Edited 6 September, 2022 by david in sweden
spelling

[david in sweden]

16 hours ago, suewhistle said:

I know! Me agreeing with Charlie Wayman! 🙂   Why do some people need someone to blame all the time, and concentrate on a few specific incidents. It's sport by humans, not a mechanistic game of numbers by automatons.

Bazunu was fooled by what looked like a mishit, but people would be complaining if he was static and not anticipating, which you just have to in goal. His distribution has really aided getting us up the pitch, and we all know what happens to McCarthy's clearances.  Similarly with Adams: the amount of work he puts in really helps us as a team, but some have to concentrate on moments where he should have done better. It's where we are and I'd still prefer him to an uncrocked Kaladjzic.

There's plenty of legitimate points to make: lack of goals from set pieces for example, but they will come, I feel. In his cameos Elodozie has shown excitingly quick feet as well as pace, and looks a definite upgrade on Redmond, with a greater potential for getting free kicks in dangerous places. All the new players look decent, but most are young and inexperienced at this level and playing alongside each other for the first time. As they gain more confidence in each other's abilities and limitations I hope to see better performances.

After all, we could have been in Leicester's position..

 

It's a typical response to every game when we lose by the odd goal.   " It has to be the goalie's fault" , but even if it was... (doubtful) 

why is there no criticism of the other 15 outfield players who got game time and had 12 shots between them - without scoring even once.

Very few people would criticise Che Adams for his work rate or commitment, but when we play him as a one man strike force, he's expected to score. 

 

For all the excellent signings we've made this window, (and there have been a few) ....we still lack a Pelle, Lambert or a Beattie to do the business.

[Piran]

We have a goalie who has probably been practising since about the age of eight to keep the ball out of the net. He trains all week under the eyes of fellow professionals and coaches, and attains peak physical fitness through repetition, diet and sacrifice, and is paid a lot of money to be as good as possible.

And yet, when an opposing forward, in a fraction of a second, mis-hits the ball and scores, the reactions that have been honed and refined over years by that keeper let him down, some clowns on an internet forum decide that "he should have done this", or "he should have done that", I despair. (Or, more likely, "he should OF done this or that".

FWIW, I am more inclined to go with the views of David in Sweden, above. Saints had their chances and should have got something from that game. 

[davefizzy14]

A frustrating result but hopefully we can bounce back on Saturday - COYR