Selles

[Harry_SFC]

Not sure the last two games play out like they did if it was last season.

Ralph has made early, positive subs and there's clearly a determination to the team when we go behind.

In both games the camera has panned to the dugout and you can see Ralph in conversation with Selles. We all called for a proper assistant and IMO this could make a big difference going forwards. 

[Suhari]

RH talking with his coaching team during a game is a new development. Didn't see it last season.

A good thing too.

[SuperSAINT]

👀 

 

[Convict Colony]

Love Selles but the amount of times my autocorrect is changing it to sellers is unforgivable.

Just gonna call him Reuben now.

[spyinthesky]

Selles will take over from Ralph!!

[Lighthouse]

28 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

In both games the camera has panned to the dugout and you can see Ralph in conversation with Selles

Ralph was asking if he had a license for his monkey.

[S-Clarke]

It does make a difference having people to bounce idea's off of. I don't care how good you are, you still need people who can validate your thoughts and throw some counter arguments your way. That goes the same in any job.

Klopp speaks to his coaching staff throughout the game, so does Pep. It doesn't make the manager any less of a person, he's just human and has people on equal footing to float idea's with.

Kelvin was a great servant for us, and so was Watson to a degree, but I have no idea what either brought to the party and how they'd ever be in a position to counter anything Ralph was doing. They just didn't have the coaching skills or experience.

[woodsaint1]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

It does make a difference having people to bounce idea's off of. I don't care how good you are, you still need people who can validate your thoughts and throw some counter arguments your way. That goes the same in any job.

Klopp speaks to his coaching staff throughout the game, so does Pep. It doesn't make the manager any less of a person, he's just human and has people on equal footing to float idea's with.

Kelvin was a great servant for us, and so was Watson to a degree, but I have no idea what either brought to the party and how they'd ever be in a position to counter anything Ralph was doing. They just didn't have the coaching skills or experience.

100%. Fergie always had assistants who played a big role, both on the training pitch and on the touchline (and some who went on to have decent managerial spells themselves). Mike Phelan, Steve McClaren, Carlos Queiroz and Rene Meulensteen all come to mind. Wenger had Pat Rice and going back further, Cloughie had Peter Taylor.

[Suhari]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

It does make a difference having people to bounce idea's off of. I don't care how good you are, you still need people who can validate your thoughts and throw some counter arguments your way. That goes the same in any job.

Klopp speaks to his coaching staff throughout the game, so does Pep. It doesn't make the manager any less of a person, he's just human and has people on equal footing to float idea's with.

So much this.

In any leadership role you need people around you who you trust and who's opinion you value. It can take a little time if you have a new bunch of guys alongside you. RH is clearly listening to them already.

I am feeling increasingly optimistic since the SR takeover.

[trousers]

I don't know much about Selles but assume he's in pole position to be our next manager once Ralph either hangs up his managerial boots or gets the heave-ho?

[Sideways Jim]

4 hours ago, Suhari said:

RH talking with his coaching team during a game is a new development. Didn't see it last season.

A good thing too.

To be fair if you turned round and saw Davis, Watson and Fleming looking at you what would you do. 

 

Like you said its a good thing and what a lot of people were calling for 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, trousers said:

I don't know much about Selles but assume he's in pole position to be our next manager once Ralph either hangs up his managerial boots or gets the heave-ho?

I hope not

[S-Clarke]

Just now, trousers said:

I don't know much about Selles but assume he's in pole position to be our next manager once Ralph either hangs up his managerial boots or gets the heave-ho?

I would say so, feels like it's following in the Thomas Frank model. (He was brought in as Dean Smith's assistant at Brentford).

[trousers]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I hope not

I obviously bow to your renowned expert opinion, but why not?

Edited 20 August, 2022 by trousers

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

I obviously bow to your expert opinion, but why not?

I'd like to think that assumption would be made after more than a few weeks in a job.

Personally, I hope we go for another Ralph/Koeman.  The premier league usually chews out inexperienced managers (look at Gerrard/Lampard right now).  Potter has bucked the trend, and the likes of Frank brought their teams up (ala Adkins)

Edited 20 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[John Boy Saint]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I'd like to think that assumption would be made after more than a few weeks in a job.

Personally, I hope we go for another Ralph/Koeman.  The premier league usually chews out inexperienced managers (look at Gerrard/Lampard right now).  Potter has bucked the trend, and the likes of Frank brought their teams up (ala Adkins)

I’ll take a couple of bags of what your peddling - my Roses will love it.

Your analogy is pants - Potter was very successful in Sweden by being different in how he did stuff, he did well at Swansea catching the eye of Brighton when Houghton was stumbling. You mention our Nige, a goal keeper who got crocked, ended up as a physio at Scunthorpe, who ended up as Caretaker when Brian Laws left, then manager got them promoted twice against the budget and odds - when his name was tossed into ring as Saints manager you were likely one of the many who said “who” (and going on the above added he’s a bloody physio) he rightly has Saintly status at Saints - you on the Saints interview panel would have said “no thanks”. = Saints in the Premier league again possibly on target not 2 years before.

if Jose Mourhino walked through the door on Monday morning as our new manager, you will have burned through a pallet of Kleenex Man Sized tissues throwing yourself round the room by lunchtime - like all of the above he had a modest footballing career his route into management evolved through being Bobby Robsons interpreter at Sporting and Porto, he only became an assistant manager, when Robson managed Barcelona - yes THE Barcelona. He then made the step up to management  at Leira and Benfica , then ultimately Porto where they were a horrible team to play,  he won all sorts including the UEFA Cup. Again going on your comment above, sat on the interview board with “the (pre)special one in front of you” - “it’s a no from me, he’s only an interpreter”. 
Thomas Frank, who you mention, being honest no bugger had heard of him, for a no one who’s stepped up, he’s weaved some magic at little Brentford. 
You mention a Koeman-esk name for the hot seat - you speak to any knowledgeable Dutch football supporter and they will all say the same thing - Ronald is the big name, glittering career, a figure head. He is technically astute as a whole Edam - his brother Erwin is the tactician. Here you can substitute Ronald Koeman and insert Gerrard and Lampard in your analogy.

As you can tell it hacks me off when someone spouts cobblers about a possible name in the management frame, just because they haven’t featured on FIFA whatever year since it first appeared on PlayStation, equals they stand no chance in your interview process.

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

I’ll take a couple of bags of what your peddling - my Roses will love it.

Your analogy is pants - Potter was very successful in Sweden by being different in how he did stuff, he did well at Swansea catching the eye of Brighton when Houghton was stumbling. You mention our Nige, a goal keeper who got crocked, ended up as a physio at Scunthorpe, who ended up as Caretaker when Brian Laws left, then manager got them promoted twice against the budget and odds - when his name was tossed into ring as Saints manager you were likely one of the many who said “who” (and going on the above added he’s a bloody physio) he rightly has Saintly status at Saints - you on the Saints interview panel would have said “no thanks”. = Saints in the Premier league again possibly on target not 2 years before.

if Jose Mourhino walked through the door on Monday morning as our new manager, you will have burned through a pallet of Kleenex Man Sized tissues throwing yourself round the room by lunchtime - like all of the above he had a modest footballing career his route into management evolved through being Bobby Robsons interpreter at Sporting and Porto, he only became an assistant manager, when Robson managed Barcelona - yes THE Barcelona. He then made the step up to management  at Leira and Benfica , then ultimately Porto where they were a horrible team to play,  he won all sorts including the UEFA Cup. Again going on your comment above, sat on the interview board with “the (pre)special one in front of you” - “it’s a no from me, he’s only an interpreter”. 
Thomas Frank, who you mention, being honest no bugger had heard of him, for a no one who’s stepped up, he’s weaved some magic at little Brentford. 
You mention a Koeman-esk name for the hot seat - you speak to any knowledgeable Dutch football supporter and they will all say the same thing - Ronald is the big name, glittering career, a figure head. He is technically astute as a whole Edam - his brother Erwin is the tactician. Here you can substitute Ronald Koeman and insert Gerrard and Lampard in your analogy.

As you can tell it hacks me off when someone spouts cobblers about a possible name in the management frame, just because they haven’t featured on FIFA whatever year since it first appeared on PlayStation, equals they stand no chance in your interview process.

Absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make here.

In Adkins we went out and just hired a guy with two promotions under his belt with the task to get us promoted from the same league. Nothing like us promoting from within, if we did then we should have given Wally Downes the job.

Brighton didn't promote Hughton's assistant, they went out and hired a replacement with experience. Why is recruiting from outside OK for Brighton but not for us? 

And then the obligatory Mourhino comparison. Funny really because I thought Chelsea went and hired the worlds hottest manager who had just won the Champions League with a club that really had no right to. I don't remember them hiring an "interpreter".

As the previous poster said, Frank has established himself in this league but got promoted into it.

 

I am not convinced we should just immediately appoint the second in command based on three games into a season. I don't think expressing that opinion justifies replies where people compare our two months into the job assistant manager with Koeman, Mourhino and Potter based on absolutely nothing at all. Absolutely lazy thinking.

[STEVEADAMS]

8 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I'd like to think that assumption would be made after more than a few weeks in a job.

Personally, I hope we go for another Ralph/Koeman.  The premier league usually chews out inexperienced managers (look at Gerrard/Lampard right now).  Potter has bucked the trend, and the likes of Frank brought their teams up (ala Adkins)

I would have thought Frank was on the clubs radar and would seem a great fit for us.

[Nolan]

12 hours ago, trousers said:

I don't know much about Selles but assume he's in pole position to be our next manager once Ralph either hangs up his managerial boots or gets the heave-ho?

I think this is a safe assumption.

Thomas Frank was Dean Smith's assistant for two years before he was promoted to manager at Brentford.

(Ankersen went to Brentford in 2015. Thomas Frank appointed assistant Dec 2016, 12 months after Smith's Tenure began. Frank becomes manager 2018)

 

[miserableoldgit]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

I think this is a safe assumption.

Thomas Frank was Dean Smith's assistant for two years before he was promoted to manager at Brentford.

(Ankersen went to Brentford in 2015. Thomas Frank appointed assistant Dec 2016, 12 months after Smith's Tenure began. Frank becomes manager 2018)

 

I assume that Selles was being looked at/monitored for some considerable time before being offered his current job?  The powers-that-be will be aware of his abilities/potential and could quite possibly be being groomed as our next manager......seems to make sense and much better than knee jerk reactions when getting rid of a manager. It was also interesting to see them hugging after the game yesterday. Starting to look like a proper management team.

Edited 21 August, 2022 by miserableoldgit
Pedantry...

[John Boy Saint]

5 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make here.

In Adkins we went out and just hired a guy with two promotions under his belt with the task to get us promoted from the same league. Nothing like us promoting from within, if we did then we should have given Wally Downes the job.

Brighton didn't promote Hughton's assistant, they went out and hired a replacement with experience. Why is recruiting from outside OK for Brighton but not for us? 

And then the obligatory Mourhino comparison. Funny really because I thought Chelsea went and hired the worlds hottest manager who had just won the Champions League with a club that really had no right to. I don't remember them hiring an "interpreter".

As the previous poster said, Frank has established himself in this league but got promoted into it.

 

I am not convinced we should just immediately appoint the second in command based on three games into a season. I don't think expressing that opinion justifies replies where people compare our two months into the job assistant manager with Koeman, Mourhino and Potter based on absolutely nothing at all. Absolutely lazy thinking.

My point is in 2 posts the same poster has nailed his colours to the mast saying he hopes Selles isn’t in frame to step up here to the top job. 
 

Hoping we go for another “Name” rather than just an assistant coach from the backroom, all the names I mentioned were where Ruben Selles is now back then before they were “famous”. They weren’t names in the game previously - in the case of Nigel and Jose they were backroom boys who were given a chance to step up to the top job - The mention of Potter, no he wasn’t promoted from within at Brighton, but as a “no one” he made his name in Scandinavian football management, which then put him on the radar back home. 
We all know Ralph is hanging up his spurs in a couple of years time - if Sports Republic hierarchy have spotted the potential in Selles to step up after “serving his apprenticeship” under Ralph then that is a tidy bit of thinking.  If that happens in a couple of years is the thinking from certain quarters of the fan base going to be “Cheapskate Saints - promoting a member of the backroom team”? When in fact he has been identified as having the right stuff for the job and a better option than all the other names on the manager merry-go-round. 
 

If you can recall back to Martin Semmens talking when Sports Republic took over. There was mention that Ralph’s replacement has already been identified, from a newly promoted team, just about everyone looked towards west London and guessed at one man, given SR’s connections, but not someone behind him with the right attributes to be given the chance. 
Jose Mourhino was just an interpreter who played a long game to get him to where he is now. There are owners of clubs who likely wrote him off because of what he once was - they probably still muse to themselves “look what I let slip through my fingers”.

[skintsaint]

10 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

just because they haven’t featured on FIFA whatever year since it first appeared on PlayStation

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Stuart Gray

Steve Wigley

Let's not go down that route again

Edited 21 August, 2022 by Ex Lion Tamer

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

My point is in 2 posts the same poster has nailed his colours to the mast saying he hopes Selles isn’t in frame to step up here to the top job. 
 

Hoping we go for another “Name” rather than just an assistant coach from the backroom, all the names I mentioned were where Ruben Selles is now back then before they were “famous”. They weren’t names in the game previously - in the case of Nigel and Jose they were backroom boys who were given a chance to step up to the top job - The mention of Potter, no he wasn’t promoted from within at Brighton, but as a “no one” he made his name in Scandinavian football management, which then put him on the radar back home. 
We all know Ralph is hanging up his spurs in a couple of years time - if Sports Republic hierarchy have spotted the potential in Selles to step up after “serving his apprenticeship” under Ralph then that is a tidy bit of thinking.  If that happens in a couple of years is the thinking from certain quarters of the fan base going to be “Cheapskate Saints - promoting a member of the backroom team”? When in fact he has been identified as having the right stuff for the job and a better option than all the other names on the manager merry-go-round. 
 

If you can recall back to Martin Semmens talking when Sports Republic took over. There was mention that Ralph’s replacement has already been identified, from a newly promoted team, just about everyone looked towards west London and guessed at one man, given SR’s connections, but not someone behind him with the right attributes to be given the chance. 
Jose Mourhino was just an interpreter who played a long game to get him to where he is now. There are owners of clubs who likely wrote him off because of what he once was - they probably still muse to themselves “look what I let slip through my fingers”.

Honestly this is drivel.

You can say "he could be the next Mourhino" about anyone. You might as well say every player we ever sign or buy is the second coming of John Cruyff or Maradona. Utterly meaningless.

Askins got his big break in League One, he was not plucked from Scunthorpe Physio room into the Premier League. 

I repeat - you seem absolutely fine with Brighton going out and replacing their manager with an experienced proven manager with a track record in a European league and the Championship.

But you object to the idea thatcwe do the same.

After all, if there are all these future Mourhinos everywhere then there's no risk, right? Surely the more people say "who's he?" then the better he'll be, right?

[John Boy Saint]

14 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Honestly this is drivel.

You can say "he could be the next Mourhino" about anyone. You might as well say every player we ever sign or buy is the second coming of John Cruyff or Maradona. Utterly meaningless.

Askins got his big break in League One, he was not plucked from Scunthorpe Physio room into the Premier League. 

I repeat - you seem absolutely fine with Brighton going out and replacing their manager with an experienced proven manager with a track record in a European league and the Championship.

But you object to the idea thatcwe do the same.

After all, if there are all these future Mourhinos everywhere then there's no risk, right? Surely the more people say "who's he?" then the better he'll be, right?

You are totally missing the point of my response to .the comment that was made 

anyway let just see how this evolves + if it does

Edited 21 August, 2022 by John Boy Saint

[Warriorsaint]

Pointless drivel! Ralph is our manager and a damn good one. Only now are we getting through the deadwood at the club.

Ralph is the perfect type of manager for long term thinking at the club.

[CB Fry]

17 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Pointless drivel! Ralph is our manager and a damn good one. Only now are we getting through the deadwood at the club.

Ralph is the perfect type of manager for long term thinking at the club.

Personally I am disappointed we recruited Hasenhuttl at all.

We should have given the job to Mauricio Pellegrino's assistant when we had the chance. Everyone who have said who's this guy and he would have proved them all wrong because Jose Mourhino or something.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, CB Fry said:

Personally I am disappointed we recruited Hasenhuttl at all.

We should have given the job to Mauricio Pellegrino's assistant when we had the chance. Everyone who have said who's this guy and he would have proved them all wrong because Jose Mourhino or something.

Can't believe we let Dave Watson go, when we were to the league especially

[John Boy Saint]

You pair must stand for 5 minutes in awe each time you turn a light on in your house 

Should have just stuck to Liverpool and pointed to their bulging trophy cabinet filled by Shankly and his successors Paisley and  Fagin who both stepped up from coaching roles within the club to keep the success story going.

 

 

[CB Fry]

6 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

You pair must stand for 5 minutes in awe each time you turn a light on in your house 

Should have just stuck to Liverpool and pointed to their bulging trophy cabinet filled by Shankly and his successors Paisley and  Fagin who both stepped up from coaching roles within the club to keep the success story going.

 

 

So you've now got to saying Ralph Hasenhuttl is our Bill Shankly?

You're a fruitloop mate.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, John Boy Saint said:

You are totally missing the point of my response to .the comment that was made 

anyway let just see how this evolves + if it does

I recall Semmens saying something that led me to believe that the manager after Ralph had been identified and assumed he would come in as part of the new coaching team to bed in and would step up once Ralph goes. Whether that is Selles I have no idea but it makes perfect sense. Why some people feel the need to get their knickers in a twist over a possible, very reasonable, succession plan, god only knows.

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I recall Semmens saying something that led me to believe that the manager after Ralph had been identified and assumed he would come in as part of the new coaching team to bed in and would step up once Ralph goes. Whether that is Selles I have no idea but it makes perfect sense. Why some people feel the need to get their knickers in a twist over a possible, very reasonable, succession plan, god only knows.

I think it is pretty easy to acknowledge the possibility that our next manager might be this guy, without going off on one to anyone else who thinks there may be other better options when the time comes.

Three games in, how this new guy is already seen as an unstoppable combination of Jose Mourhino and the entire Liverpool boot room by some nutcase on here, god only knows.

Knee jerk writing people off is not great but knee-jerk hero worship is equally baffling.

 

 

Edited 21 August, 2022 by CB Fry