Radio Solent Fans Forum

[Saint Fan CaM]

31 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

 

I thought Ralph sounded disingenuous when saying the players always tried.  Especially in front of an audience who could see to the contrary last season.

See I’m not convinced by this stance. If you’re an athlete attaining to be at the top of your chosen sport, why would you not try hard? Especially those who potentially gain from a move to a ‘bigger’ club to really earn big bucks/stardom/etc.

For me the key is in the players capacity to maintain high levels of mental and physical stamina to deliver on the Managers plan…if you haven’t got or can’t sustain the required levels, it doesn’t matter how much you try, you’ll mostly fail. And THAT leads to humiliation, lack of self-belief, growing dissatisfaction with your place in the club and importantly a lack of trust from your peers.  A cyclic downwards spiral.

This is why ‘supporters’ can make that little bit of a difference at games - letting a player know he’s shit just reinforces what he probably already knows, so he gives up.  If that happens to too many players in a match, guess what…the team buckles and 9 goals go in.  How do teams over-perform their expected capacity? Belief that there’s always another 1% in the tank.

[manji]

The only body language I saw was when divs in the audience asked ignorant questions. Sure there the usual day release idiots. But the fella that said the club is my life. I go all the way to Leeds and Man City and wonder why I bother. Both Semmens and Ralph looked incredulous can’t remember which one said “ we drew both with good performances “ . I’d have been tempted to tell the fan he’s a moron.

The other idiot was ranting about getting rid of Che. Semmens asked where he had heard that. The cretin said Twitter.Again the panels faces , exasperation. Semmens and Ralph slapped that down.

finally the melt that was offended by an email from the club 🙄

No wonder they looked annoyed.

 

[Turkish]

Just now, manji said:

The only body language I saw was when divs in the audience asked ignorant questions. Sure there the usual day release idiots. But the fella that said the club is my life. I go all the way to Leeds and Man City and wonder why I bother. Both Semmens and Ralph looked incredulous can’t remember which one said “ we drew both with good performances “ . I’d have been tempted to tell the fan he’s a moron.

The other idiot was ranting about getting rid of Che. Semmens asked where he had heard that. The cretin said Twitter.Again the panels faces , exasperation. Semmens and Ralph slapped that down.

finally the melt that was offended by an email from the club 🙄

No wonder they looked annoyed.

 

Have to agree, some of the people dont help themselves by being absolute morons. Citing Twitter as his source for the Adams rumour was going to always get him shot down. I've always found it a bit wierd the amount of people who slip in what a great fan they are into a conversation, even though they sound like an abolute hillbilly asking a ridiculously stupid question the fact that they haven't missed a game since 1942 makes them more credible. 

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, Streaky said:

Investing in improving the team?. I would say we are weaker than last season. Can't keep buying cheap players who hopefully come good because more often than not they don't. 

Some of our fans act like we are lucky to be in this league, it's bullshit. We are a bigger club than that.

We've spent over 50mill, is that not investing? I'm sure some fans will be kicking and screaming in 24 months when there are links of Lavia going somewhere for big money, ditto ABK etc.  And the window hasn't closed yet!! Have a moan if we are weaker on the 3rd Sept, but to hit the club with that now when we've said we still need to make additions is a bit too soon.

No one seems to have patience anymore or understand our model. We buy young players of a good level who then become the players at the level we can't attract or afford. That's not going to change.

We had a period of time where we spunked £100m on supposed proven players like Boufal, Hoedt, Carillo, Lemina, Elyonoussi etc etc and that fell flat on it's arse because 1) we use a lot of transfer fee and wages to start with, and then 2) if they're shit, we're saddled with them as we cannot sell them and we end up making a loss, and it hinders our movement in the market thereafter.

This approach is risky in the sense of immediate quality, for sure, but it's less risky financially because if 1 or 2 aren't a success we haven't thrown down massive transfer fee's or wages and they wouldn't be too difficult to move on. But our model is and will always be buying new players, developing them to a level where top clubs want them, selling them for a profit and then going again.

Edited 11 August, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Doctoroncall]

1 hour ago, Streaky said:

Some of our fans act like we are lucky to be in this league, it's bullshit. We are a bigger club than that.

In a sense, we are, the lack of investment in the Gao years is catching up (not just playing talent but supporting structure). Having been a mid table team, we are now a lower mid table team - Brighton, Palace, Newcastle etc all improving and doing better than us. Thank goodness for Everton and Leeds. 
 

But the club should be in the mindset of doing the best, positive attitude and setting some tough goals to achieve, certainly not reflecting on being grateful to make up the numbers. I’m hoping Shields and Selles can help on the playing side, but it’s going to take some time. Perhaps Rasmussen needs to be more involved on the management side?  

[Saints-1994]

34 minutes ago, manji said:

The only body language I saw was when divs in the audience asked ignorant questions. Sure there the usual day release idiots. But the fella that said the club is my life. I go all the way to Leeds and Man City and wonder why I bother. Both Semmens and Ralph looked incredulous can’t remember which one said “ we drew both with good performances “ . I’d have been tempted to tell the fan he’s a moron.

The other idiot was ranting about getting rid of Che. Semmens asked where he had heard that. The cretin said Twitter.Again the panels faces , exasperation. Semmens and Ralph slapped that down.

finally the melt that was offended by an email from the club 🙄

No wonder they looked annoyed.

 

Agreed. I face palmed when he referenced the two fixtures we got points from.

I don’t see the point of asking transfer related questions, they’re not gonna tell you who and when. 

Although think the email question was more about away fans sitting in home ends. The email blamed Saints fans for the inevitable trouble that follows…not stewards letting them wear colours and inciting fans (box or not it shouldn’t happen). Leeds will be interesting if they take this hardline approach demonstrated at Monaco for standing…

Edited 11 August, 2022 by Saints-1994

[manji]

Part of the problem is social media they havnt got the intelligence to sift out the mass of information. Covididiots, or think they are military strategists over Ukraine, bit of hot weather we are all going to die etc.

while I’m on a roll I’m sure some fans get a kick out of being able to hurl abuse at a player that earns 30k a week.

Edited 11 August, 2022 by manji

[manji]

3 minutes ago, Saints-1994 said:

Agreed. I face palmed when he referenced the two fixtures we got points from.

I don’t see the point of asking transfer related questions, they’re not gonna tell you who and when. 

Although think the email question was more about away fans sitting in home ends. The email blamed Saints fans for the inevitable trouble that follows…not stewards letting them wear colours and inciting fans (box or not it shouldn’t happen). Leeds will be interesting if they take this hardline approach demonstrated at Monaco for standing…

To me the email was more about showing the police SFC were doing their part. Going through the motions. The club looked as exasperated as any fan.

Edited 11 August, 2022 by manji

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, manji said:

To me the email was more about showing the police SFC were doing their part. Going through the motions. The club looked as exasperated as any fan.

Lets see then when either away fans are overtly cheering in the home sections and when (inevitably) Leeds fans stand/feck around all game, whilst Saints fans are being ordered to behave.  

[saintant]

32 minutes ago, Saints-1994 said:

Agreed. I face palmed when he referenced the two fixtures we got points from.

I don’t see the point of asking transfer related questions, they’re not gonna tell you who and when. 

Although think the email question was more about away fans sitting in home ends. The email blamed Saints fans for the inevitable trouble that follows…not stewards letting them wear colours and inciting fans (box or not it shouldn’t happen). Leeds will be interesting if they take this hardline approach demonstrated at Monaco for standing…

To be fair to the guy I got the impression that he referenced Leeds and Man City because they are long journeys - I don't think he was specifically talking about last season's games. 

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

See I’m not convinced by this stance. If you’re an athlete attaining to be at the top of your chosen sport, why would you not try hard? Especially those who potentially gain from a move to a ‘bigger’ club to really earn big bucks/stardom/etc.

For me the key is in the players capacity to maintain high levels of mental and physical stamina to deliver on the Managers plan…if you haven’t got or can’t sustain the required levels, it doesn’t matter how much you try, you’ll mostly fail. And THAT leads to humiliation, lack of self-belief, growing dissatisfaction with your place in the club and importantly a lack of trust from your peers.  A cyclic downwards spiral.

This is why ‘supporters’ can make that little bit of a difference at games - letting a player know he’s shit just reinforces what he probably already knows, so he gives up.  If that happens to too many players in a match, guess what…the team buckles and 9 goals go in.  How do teams over-perform their expected capacity? Belief that there’s always another 1% in the tank.

Football history is littered with examples of players downing tools to get rid of a manager.

I’m surprised Branfoot never had any 9-0s if it was down to a pissed off crowd.

[revolution saint]

34 minutes ago, saintant said:

To be fair to the guy I got the impression that he referenced Leeds and Man City because they are long journeys - I don't think he was specifically talking about last season's games. 

Yeah that was the impression I got as well.  Probably got a bit tongue tied and came out with games he shouldn't have mentioned.  If he'd referenced any of the games we were "shit" (to use Ralph's words) then it would have made a better point. 

Same with the bloke who listed twitter as a reference for the Che loan rumour.  If he'd said The Athletic then it would have sounded a bit more credible but his point still stands (I don't think he was making a specific point about a loan and more about the prospect of him leaving). 

Edited 11 August, 2022 by revolution saint

[revolution saint]

2 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

See I’m not convinced by this stance. If you’re an athlete attaining to be at the top of your chosen sport, why would you not try hard? Especially those who potentially gain from a move to a ‘bigger’ club to really earn big bucks/stardom/etc.

For me the key is in the players capacity to maintain high levels of mental and physical stamina to deliver on the Managers plan…if you haven’t got or can’t sustain the required levels, it doesn’t matter how much you try, you’ll mostly fail. And THAT leads to humiliation, lack of self-belief, growing dissatisfaction with your place in the club and importantly a lack of trust from your peers.  A cyclic downwards spiral.

This is why ‘supporters’ can make that little bit of a difference at games - letting a player know he’s shit just reinforces what he probably already knows, so he gives up.  If that happens to too many players in a match, guess what…the team buckles and 9 goals go in.  How do teams over-perform their expected capacity? Belief that there’s always another 1% in the tank.

Just to be clear - the 9-0 defeats were caused by fans not being supportive enough?  That's rubbish.

[HarvSFC]

4 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Just to be clear - the 9-0 defeats were caused by fans not being supportive enough?  That's rubbish.

Especially the one at Old Trafford!

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

Ralph talks like he doesn't have a plan

[JRM]

1 hour ago, Saints-1994 said:

Agreed. I face palmed when he referenced the two fixtures we got points from.

I don’t see the point of asking transfer related questions, they’re not gonna tell you who and when. 

Although think the email question was more about away fans sitting in home ends. The email blamed Saints fans for the inevitable trouble that follows…not stewards letting them wear colours and inciting fans (box or not it shouldn’t happen). Leeds will be interesting if they take this hardline approach demonstrated at Monaco for standing…

I agree, the email from the club was confrontational and insulting to fans really. 

The bloke who made the point about Leeds / Man City, unfortunate choice of games but his point was right, should have just said I travel home and away across the country and witness our bunch of spineless players going through the motions not putting their all in (we've had plenty of those last 6 months) semmens answer was ridiculous about I travel to and miss my kids. Its part of your highly paid job mate. 

[JRM]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lets see then when either away fans are overtly cheering in the home sections and when (inevitably) Leeds fans stand/feck around all game, whilst Saints fans are being ordered to behave.  

The club are more than happy to sell a box at the back of the Itchen stand to bunch of cnuts construction Ltd who fill it with gobby Chelsea fans for 2 hours free booze, they then come out to their seats behind Itchen North try and get a bit lippy and don't like it when they're made to go back into the box for their own safety. 

Saints would rather just get rid of the Itchen North and protect their precious corporate clients (which they struggle to sell other than big 6 or 7 teams) 

Saints even have their biggest signing of the summer, Mr New safety officer who will want to justify his role by showing how many "trouble makers" he's banned from St Mary's for anti social behaviour like standing.

[Yorkshire Saint]

I have been talking to plenty of Leeds fans who have said how surprised they were to get tickets in the home end this week and for £30. This is the part of the question they missed yesterday in and around the Coventry example but without membership cards or suchlike I am not sure what the answer is. 

[John B]

50 minutes ago, JRM said:

I agree, the email from the club was confrontational and insulting to fans really. 

The bloke who made the point about Leeds / Man City, unfortunate choice of games but his point was right, should have just said I travel home and away across the country and witness our bunch of spineless players going through the motions not putting their all in (we've had plenty of those last 6 months) semmens answer was ridiculous about I travel to and miss my kids. Its part of your highly paid job mate. 

As a matter of interest in what era did Saints win often away from home

 

Over the years I have watched the Saints away from home especially in London Area without seeing many particularly good performances whilst in the top  division

 

Lost 7 1 to Watford in 1980 

 

Home results however were much better I feel at the Dell in particular

[JRM]

22 minutes ago, John B said:

As a matter of interest in what era did Saints win often away from home

 

Over the years I have watched the Saints away from home especially in London Area without seeing many particularly good performances whilst in the top  division

 

Lost 7 1 to Watford in 1980 

 

Home results however were much better I feel at the Dell in particular

The point wasn't about winning, more about visible lack of effort, don't think anyone can blame the players if they put 100% in, they weren't doing that towards the end of last season. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

Just to be clear - the 9-0 defeats were caused by fans not being supportive enough?  That's rubbish.

Don’t be daft, I clearly set out the rationale how and why I believe that 25,000 fans getting on the back of players that have already lost belief in themselves is hardly going to help. The reverse can also have an impact too.

If you need proof of that concept I’d refer you to our game against Leeds many moons ago when we played extremely well and were dominating 3-0 up at half-time, thinking “this could be double figures”. By the time the players came back out the Leeds away supporters were worked up to a frenzy repeatedly chanting “we’re going to win 3-4” and they didn’t stop that chant until they’d scored 4 goals and of course won the game. Our vocal support didn’t get a look in, they were so imposing and loud.  The Leeds players obviously believed a win was possible and at 3-2 I suspect every Saints player probably did too.  It stands as my worst match-day as a Saints supporter bar the 9 against games and one I’ll never forget.

Edited 11 August, 2022 by Saint Fan CaM

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Football history is littered with examples of players downing tools to get rid of a manager.

I’m surprised Branfoot never had any 9-0s if it was down to a pissed off crowd.

To be fair Branfoot had better players at his disposal in relation to the quality of the opposition.

[JRM]

1 hour ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

I have been talking to plenty of Leeds fans who have said how surprised they were to get tickets in the home end this week and for £30. This is the part of the question they missed yesterday in and around the Coventry example but without membership cards or suchlike I am not sure what the answer is. 

The club don't care, Chelsea at home also on complete open general sale,  tons of them living in Surrey / Hampshire 

Leeds sold out their away end well over subscribed,  no worry lads it's help yourself in the home end 

[Saint Fan CaM]

10 minutes ago, JRM said:

The point wasn't about winning, more about visible lack of effort, don't think anyone can blame the players if they put 100% in, they weren't doing that towards the end of last season. 

I’m not being funny here, but what tells you a given player is not giving 100%, as opposed to his 100% not being good enough? If there’s nothing left in the tank or simply the other team are just too good, how is a player supposed to give more?

Serious question.

[revolution saint]

13 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Don’t be daft, I clearly set out the rationale how and why I believe that 25,000 fans getting on the back of players that have already lost belief in themselves is hardly going to help. The reverse can also have an impact too.

If you need proof of that concept I’d refer you to our game against Leeds many moons ago when we played extremely well and were dominating 3-0 up at half-time, thinking this could double figures. By the time the players came back out the Leeds away supporters were worked up to a frenzy repeatedly chanting “we’re going to win 3-4” and they didn’t stop that chant until they’d scored 4 goals and of course won the game. Our vocal support didn’t get a look in, they we’re so imposing and loud.  The Leeds players obviously believed a win was possible and at 3-2 I suspect every Saints player probably did too.  It stands as my worst match-day as a Saints supporter bar the 9 against games and one I’ll never forget.

Yeah, I know the point you're trying to make but I don't agree with it and blaming fans for performances is a cop out.  Fans don't pick the team, they don't choose the formation, they don't choose who to buy.  Whatever impact they have is pretty small compared to the other variables that players, managers and owners can control - I'd suggest they address them first before looking at fans who often pay large amounts for something abject.  

Anyone at the club using these arguments is, at least partly, absolving themselves of responsibility and looking desperately around to distract from their own negligence.

Edited 11 August, 2022 by revolution saint

[John B]

18 minutes ago, JRM said:

The point wasn't about winning, more about visible lack of effort, don't think anyone can blame the players if they put 100% in, they weren't doing that towards the end of last season. 

Thats plain ridiculous how does somebody know that

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m not being funny here, but what tells you a given player is not giving 100%, as opposed to his 100% not being good enough? If there’s nothing left in the tank or simply the other team are just too good, how is a player supposed to give more?

Serious question.

Some of the players going through the motions Sat, and disgracefully at Brentford, have played in games where we’ve hung on, put our bodies on the line and got a decent result against far better sides. If Sat & Brentford were players giving 100%, then my cocks a carrot and if you can’t tell the difference between not being good enough & not giving your all, perhaps you should watch the chicks instead. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Any players that can’t take a bit of clog from supporters need shipping out pronto. 

[JRM]

10 minutes ago, John B said:

Thats plain ridiculous how does somebody know that

By being at the game watching the match. This evenings report that Ralph has lost some of the dressing room would make sense. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

It’s a fucking joke that some people don’t appear to believe a manager motivating the team gets better results, it seems they all give 100% all the time, regardless who is in charge (unless the supporters upset the little darlings) . What a load of old pony. If that was the case, how on earth did Brian Clough take journeymen players to European cups. John Robertson said when Cloughie stuck his thumb up in the  dug out and it was  aimed  towards him, he felt 10ft tall, the best player in the world. Had fucking Ian Branfoot done so, would he have felt the same. 
 

 

[aintforever]

6 hours ago, Streaky said:

Some of our fans act like we are lucky to be in this league, it's bullshit. We are a bigger club than that.

We're not lucky to be in this league but a for a club our size, staying up is an achievement. The lower leagues are littered with clubs our size or bigger who haven't been in the Prem for years. Unless we have an owner who wants to throw hundreds of millions at the club we will always be one bad season, or bad manager away from going down.

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s a fucking joke that some people don’t appear to believe a manager motivating the team gets better results, it seems they all give 100% all the time, regardless who is in charge (unless the supporters upset the little darlings) . What a load of old pony. If that was the case, how on earth did Brian Clough take journeymen players to European cups. John Robertson said when Cloughie stuck his thumb up in the  dug out and it was  aimed  towards him, he felt 10ft tall, the best player in the world. Had fucking Ian Branfoot done so, would he have felt the same. 
 

 

And the other side of the coin is that when they want a manager gone they down tools, soon as a new manager comes in they play like world beaters. Loads of examples of that throught history.

[Smirking_Saint]

20 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I think the ‘vibe’ was because they maybe expected a friendlier atmosphere after the spending and the coaching spruce up, as evidenced by some of the replies they gave.. but like some have said, after the inconsistencies of the last couple of years and Saturdays 4-1 tonking it’s baffling that they didn’t turn up prepared

My gut feel is that the management team has been read the riot act, as I said previously, SR are not at all comfortable with a potential relegation of their primary club for the multi club model, whether we’ll see a reaction remains to be seen

Having been in the same room as Rasmus a couple of times he seems a typical, new age investor/business guy and almost certainly doesn’t suffer fools (he also seemed a bit of a nob but there we go)

I think potentially the management team is on borrowed time, Im not personally convinced Semmens has done a particularly great job as CEO outside of the SR investment and Steele, the couple of times Ive heard him talk never seems clued up about issues he really should know the answers too

Well that was quick

Explains the hostile, defensive attitude last night

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

for a club our size, staying up is an achievement. 

#Noddy

 

We've spent most of the past 50 years in the top flight, have had premier league money for all but about 6 years of its existence, have a stadium bigger than about 74 other English professional sides. By every measure we should be in and around the top 20 clubs. Admittedly, we’ve got a few too many Noddy supporters, but it’s not an “achievement “. 

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

53 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

#Noddy

 

We've spent most of the past 50 years in the top flight, have had premier league money for all but about 6 years of its existence, have a stadium bigger than about 74 other English professional sides. By every measure we should be in and around the top 20 clubs. Admittedly, we’ve got a few too many Noddy supporters, but it’s not an “achievement “. 

i am sorry but I am still in the camp that achievement for us is to stay in the top flight and have a good cup run. Whenever we seem to have foray in the top half of the table we lose our players. Of course I always fantasize about us challenging for top honours but the long and short of it is that unless we have a sugar Daddy then that will always be the case.  

[Badger]

4 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

If you need proof of that concept I’d refer you to our game against Leeds many moons ago when we played extremely well and were dominating 3-0 up at half-time, thinking “this could be double figures”. By the time the players came back out the Leeds away supporters were worked up to a frenzy repeatedly chanting “we’re going to win 3-4” and they didn’t stop that chant until they’d scored 4 goals and of course won the game. Our vocal support didn’t get a look in, they were so imposing and loud.  The Leeds players obviously believed a win was possible and at 3-2 I suspect every Saints player probably did too.  It stands as my worst match-day as a Saints supporter bar the 9 against games and one I’ll never forget.

Bet that games been airbrushed out of ‘arry’s CV though 

Edited 11 August, 2022 by Badger

[Dark Munster]

10 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s not just fans, it’s the culture of the club, top to fucking bottom. Of course we can’t compete with the top sides, that ship sailed years ago, but we can fucking compete with half the friggin league. We need a few pirates to de-Noddyfy the club. Watching Ralph suck up to Klopp & Pep sums it up for me. And when was the last time one of our players was booed or abused by the opposition? Forget “nobody likes us, we don’t care”. We're “everybody likes us but nobody cares.” We’re becoming a nothing noddy club. Soft as shite, and grateful the big boys let us play against them. 

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

#Noddy

 

We've spent most of the past 50 years in the top flight, have had premier league money for all but about 6 years of its existence, have a stadium bigger than about 74 other English professional sides. By every measure we should be in and around the top 20 clubs. Admittedly, we’ve got a few too many Noddy supporters, but it’s not an “achievement “. 

Considering during our current spell in the top flight we’ve seen teams like Villa, Leeds, Sunderland, Sheffield Weds, Norwich, Derby, Forest, Ipswich etc etc in the league below I think it’s fair to say staying in the league is a decent achievement.

The way finances are going it’s going to get harder and harder to stay up without a rich owner willing to splash the cash. The league is different now to 10 years ago let alone 50. I remember Chelsea being in the league below us, now they are spending £60mill on a reserve full back. Teams like Newcastle, Man City and West Ham were traditionally shite when I was a kid now they are spending on a completely different level.

[Dark Munster]

7 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Football history is littered with examples of players downing tools to get rid of a manager.

Not sure if they actually downed tools, but allegedly Claude lost the dressing room, and we all know what happened after that. Which is perhaps why the board are reluctant to bow to player power again.

[Dorchester Saint]

On 10/08/2022 at 20:31, Saint Garrett said:

Were you expecting them to tell you who they're after and where they are in negotiations?!

LOL!! Stupid remark. It would just be nice to know that something is in the offing, but it quite clearly isn’t. We are dragging our heels waiting for scraps as usual. 

[Saint Garrett]

1 minute ago, Dorchester Saint said:

LOL!! Stupid remark. It would just be nice to know that something is in the offing, but it quite clearly isn’t. We are dragging our heels waiting for scraps as usual. 

Not sure they'd benefit by announcing it at the fans forum though.

[Saint Fan CaM]

15 hours ago, John B said:

Thats plain ridiculous how does somebody know that

Exactly, they don’t know. There are some right dinosaurs on here thinking they’ve got the inside story on whether every player is “giving 100%” - like reality on a professional football pitch in the best league in the World is the same as their time playing FIFA95 on their Nintendo’s. 😂

Edited 12 August, 2022 by Saint Fan CaM

[Saint Fan CaM]

15 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Some of the players going through the motions Sat, and disgracefully at Brentford, have played in games where we’ve hung on, put our bodies on the line and got a decent result against far better sides. If Sat & Brentford were players giving 100%, then my cocks a carrot and if you can’t tell the difference between not being good enough & not giving your all, perhaps you should watch the chicks instead. 

I was asking how anyone could tell, but of course your response just indicates you can’t articulate that other than try to insult me.  If only you could eat your own carrot - they’re good for the eyesight apparently.

[East Kent Saint]

34 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I was asking how anyone could tell, but of course your response just indicates you can’t articulate that other than try to insult me.  If only you could eat your own carrot - they’re good for the eyesight apparently.

With , say Mane , he was pulled up for being late and dropped etc , he only turned it on against the big clubs he thought might buy him after that .

It’s human nature if the the players are out of position , not being picked , asked to play in a formation that is not working . Defending against a team breaking in numbers through midfield etc etc

[Saint_clark]

I wish someone would have asked if alongside our strategy of developing individual younger players to sell on and reinvest, there was also a plan to develop the TEAM and move up the league or if the plan was just to non-stop buy younger players and sell them before we get any benefit of them at their peak. 

[trousers]

17 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

my cocks a carrot

I had my suspicions 

[Convict Colony]

14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

#Noddy

 

We've spent most of the past 50 years in the top flight, have had premier league money for all but about 6 years of its existence, have a stadium bigger than about 74 other English professional sides. By every measure we should be in and around the top 20 clubs. Admittedly, we’ve got a few too many Noddy supporters, but it’s not an “achievement “. 

Am loving the introduction of Noddy as the new Pony for this season.

#Noddywatch

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, East Kent Saint said:

With , say Mane , he was pulled up for being late and dropped etc , he only turned it on against the big clubs he thought might buy him after that .

It’s human nature if the the players are out of position , not being picked , asked to play in a formation that is not working . Defending against a team breaking in numbers through midfield etc etc

I don’t disagree there are specific instances where certain players can be seen to give less than 100%. My problem is tarring the entire team with the comment “the players didn’t give 100%”…it’s a gross over-simplification of multi-faceted problem and importantly doesn’t recognise that there are some players who do give 100%, but it’s not enough at EPL level which is not their fault. Giving a player abuse in that situation is hardly going to inspire him (or her) to try harder!

[East Kent Saint]

4 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I don’t disagree there are specific instances where certain players can be seen to give less than 100%. My problem is tarring the entire team with the comment “the players didn’t give 100%”…it’s a gross over-simplification of multi-faceted problem and importantly doesn’t recognise that there are some players who do give 100%, but it’s not enough at EPL level which is not their fault. Giving a player abuse in that situation is hardly going to inspire him (or her) to try harder!

It could also be they are uncertain when playing due to the formation or the fact they are being overrun at the back , example being being scored against when most of the team are at the other end for our corner !

[Saint Fan CaM]

19 hours ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

I have been talking to plenty of Leeds fans who have said how surprised they were to get tickets in the home end this week and for £30. This is the part of the question they missed yesterday in and around the Coventry example but without membership cards or suchlike I am not sure what the answer is. 

Agree. At the last home game vs Liverpool there was a Pool supporter with his missus two rows in front of us giving it large most of the game. A few of us complained to a Steward who just had a “quiet word” and let them stay in their seats.