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  On 03/05/2023 at 03:59, Maggie May said:

People can joke all they want about Lampard but he’s achieved more as a manager than Selles ever has and, I expect, will.

- Performed well with Derby and knocked us out of the cup. 

- Got Chelsea CL football and to an FA Cup final under a transfer embargo.

- Kept Everton up last season (something which Selles failed miserably at)

If he hadn’t had a mare of a second season with Everton or tried to steady the ship of a truly basket case club like Chelsea, we’d still be clamouring for a manager like him.

I say bring him in next season with a clean slate and see what he can do. 

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  On 03/05/2023 at 05:34, CB Fry said:

I didn't realise that the only two available managers on earth were Frank Lampard and Ruben Selles.

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I didn't realise Selles got Everton relegated 

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  On 03/05/2023 at 13:44, DT said:

Ah. Yes, 'necessarily' would have been a mite different. Who needs words eh? I agree with the sentiment though. I do wonder if Viera would improve the next time, but Gerrard and Lampard look like busted flushes, certainly. If we go for Scott Parker I think I might just give up on football for good. (and watch Saints hahahahah)

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I gave up on football after the Forest game in January. I think that’s when it clicked that this team was the worst I had ever seen. 😂

saintant

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Brighton are everything we are not - we have been the team that is the best on the south coast but right now we are a million miles behind them. We need to look at a lot of things they do (not just on the field) and try to catch up but it's going to take time. Studying them recently they have a very clear pattern of play which is largely built on the way their centre backs bring the ball out then look for a fast, low pass into the midfield players who face them waiting for the ball. The midfielder controls the ball, spins and sets up the next attack. They do this move time and time again and it is very simple but also very effective and they are a great side to watch - the polar opposite to us.

Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 04/05/2023 at 21:50, saintant said:

Brighton are everything we are not - we have been the team that is the best on the south coast but right now we are a million miles behind them. We need to look at a lot of things they do (not just on the field) and try to catch up but it's going to take time. Studying them recently they have a very clear pattern of play which is largely built on the way their centre backs bring the ball out then look for a fast, low pass into the midfield players who face them waiting for the ball. The midfielder controls the ball, spins and sets up the next attack. They do this move time and time again and it is very simple but also very effective and they are a great side to watch - the polar opposite to us.

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And like us, they will be plundered for managers and players. 

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Dan Johnson

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  On 04/05/2023 at 21:50, saintant said:

Brighton are everything we are not - we have been the team that is the best on the south coast but right now we are a million miles behind them. We need to look at a lot of things they do (not just on the field) and try to catch up but it's going to take time. Studying them recently they have a very clear pattern of play which is largely built on the way their centre backs bring the ball out then look for a fast, low pass into the midfield players who face them waiting for the ball. The midfielder controls the ball, spins and sets up the next attack. They do this move time and time again and it is very simple but also very effective and they are a great side to watch - the polar opposite to us.

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We’ve been there, under Koeman we were sensational at times 2015/2016 we finished 6th 3 points off champions league and that was the season we had a terrible run of games too, winning 1 in 8! I suspect Brighton will be very close to Champions League this season, probably 6 points off and likely to finished 6th too

That 2015/2016 side feels allot like the current Brighton side.

players in there who went on to win Champions League and Premier League medals, 3 future ballon.d'or nominees (Tadic, Van Dijk, Mane) mixed with seasoned pros like Bertrand/Davis and club stewards like Fonte.

I see soo many similarities in the current Brighton side to the saints era towards the end of poch and under Koeman.

Brighton have the club stewards like we had in fonte, with dunk and Groß

they have the seasoned pros like we had in Davis and Bertrand in players like lallana, welbeck etc

then they have the future superstars in Ferguson, Caicedo, Mac Allister

Mix in a succession of decent managerial appointments (potter then De Zerbi, like we had with Poch then Koeman)

I really hope they can keep their group together and break into the elite but they wont, they’ll be plundered. Exactly the same as what happened to our 2015/2016 side.

 

 

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CB Fry

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  On 04/05/2023 at 22:47, Dan Johnson said:

I really hope they can keep their group together and break into the elite

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No idea why any Saints fan would want that.

It's only 18 months - 2 years to wait for the "where did it all go wrong for Brighton" articles. 

And the forum experts will already have moved on to the next "oh why oh why can't we be like them" club just like they quickly forgot about Leicester and Swansea etc etc.

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saintant

saintant

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  On 04/05/2023 at 22:47, Dan Johnson said:

We’ve been there, under Koeman we were sensational at times 2015/2016 we finished 6th 3 points off champions league and that was the season we had a terrible run of games too, winning 1 in 8! I suspect Brighton will be very close to Champions League this season, probably 6 points off and likely to finished 6th too

That 2015/2016 side feels allot like the current Brighton side.

players in there who went on to win Champions League and Premier League medals, 3 future ballon.d'or nominees (Tadic, Van Dijk, Mane) mixed with seasoned pros like Bertrand/Davis and club stewards like Fonte.

I see soo many similarities in the current Brighton side to the saints era towards the end of poch and under Koeman.

Brighton have the club stewards like we had in fonte, with dunk and Groß

they have the seasoned pros like we had in Davis and Bertrand in players like lallana, welbeck etc

then they have the future superstars in Ferguson, Caicedo, Mac Allister

Mix in a succession of decent managerial appointments (potter then De Zerbi, like we had with Poch then Koeman)

I really hope they can keep their group together and break into the elite but they wont, they’ll be plundered. Exactly the same as what happened to our 2015/2016 side.

 

 

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I think it goes beyond the group of players Brighton have. Their success is largely built on having been well coached so that they have developed a pattern of play that they are all used to - like a Ralph playbook but a much more effective one. They are superbly drilled all over the pitch and all know which positions to take up at any given time. Dunk talked about this after the match saying that he knows the roles of their 6 and 8s so well he could probably play there himself. Yes, they have some good players but I believe it's the way they are trained that makes them what they are - I'm sure they play training matches to hone this whereas I imagine we just stick on bibs and have a kick about with little structure - at least that's what it looks like when we get to competitive games.

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Weston Super Saint

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  On 05/05/2023 at 07:10, saintant said:

I think it goes beyond the group of players Brighton have. Their success is largely built on having been well coached so that they have developed a pattern of play that they are all used to - like a Ralph playbook but a much more effective one. They are superbly drilled all over the pitch and all know which positions to take up at any given time. Dunk talked about this after the match saying that he knows the roles of their 6 and 8s so well he could probably play there himself. Yes, they have some good players but I believe it's the way they are trained that makes them what they are - I'm sure they play training matches to hone this whereas I imagine we just stick on bibs and have a kick about with little structure - at least that's what it looks like when we get to competitive games.

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Isn't that football tactics 101?

sydney_saint

sydney_saint

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  On 05/05/2023 at 07:10, saintant said:

I think it goes beyond the group of players Brighton have. Their success is largely built on having been well coached so that they have developed a pattern of play that they are all used to - like a Ralph playbook but a much more effective one. They are superbly drilled all over the pitch and all know which positions to take up at any given time. Dunk talked about this after the match saying that he knows the roles of their 6 and 8s so well he could probably play there himself. Yes, they have some good players but I believe it's the way they are trained that makes them what they are - I'm sure they play training matches to hone this whereas I imagine we just stick on bibs and have a kick about with little structure - at least that's what it looks like when we get to competitive games.

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We used to have innovative modern tactics as well. We also had a period of success longer than them. The challenge for them will be to reinvent themselves when they lose more players and their tactics get found out (which they always do). We weren't able to do this, neither has anyone really. You get teams that challenge for a couple of seasons like us and Leicester, but to sustain that is hard. 

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S-Clarke

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  On 04/05/2023 at 21:50, saintant said:

Brighton are everything we are not - we have been the team that is the best on the south coast but right now we are a million miles behind them. We need to look at a lot of things they do (not just on the field) and try to catch up but it's going to take time. Studying them recently they have a very clear pattern of play which is largely built on the way their centre backs bring the ball out then look for a fast, low pass into the midfield players who face them waiting for the ball. The midfielder controls the ball, spins and sets up the next attack. They do this move time and time again and it is very simple but also very effective and they are a great side to watch - the polar opposite to us.

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And we were everything they were not in 2016. This is football, swings and roundabouts. They've got their time in the sun, let them enjoy it.

They've taken advantage of a weak Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea season and have pushed on. They've got a great mix of players like Alexis McAlistar, Cacedio, Mitoma who will have almost certainly caught the attention of bigger clubs, much the same way as their manager.

The trick for Brighton will be how they evolve from those players and the manager when it happens, because it will. They've already lost Trossard and Bissouma, but eventually the conveyor belt will slow down and they'll dip. They're having their period in the sun like we did, how they sustain it will very much rely on how well they use the money they get from players - but this is generally hit and miss, so it'll be interesting to see.

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 05/05/2023 at 07:47, saintant said:

Sorry, no idea what that means.

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Really?

Shouldn't all professional footballers know their position in the team, their role and responsibilities and those of their teammates?

Isn't that what they earn millions of pounds for in the prem?

I'd have thought tactics would would be covered on day 1 when joining a new club, but maybe that's just me...

AlexLaw76

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  On 03/05/2023 at 18:46, whelk said:

If they would only wear tighter shorts they would get more for tv rights 

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what is sad, the BBC - who are massive champions of equality, particularly in ladies football - values this event waaaaay less than the Qatar world cup.

 

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 06/05/2023 at 06:36, AlexLaw76 said:

what is sad, the BBC - who are massive champions of equality, particularly in ladies football - values this event waaaaay less than the Qatar world cup.

 

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I'm sure Gary will tweet something majestical which will change everyone's minds and we will get full coverage.

whelk

whelk

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Haven’t missed seeing that fat fucker Allardyce chewing gum with his mouth wide open. They need to avoid close ups

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Victor

Victor

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  On 06/05/2023 at 06:36, AlexLaw76 said:

what is sad, the BBC - who are massive champions of equality, particularly in ladies football - values this event waaaaay less than the Qatar world cup.

 

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Hello, Nadine Dorries. How many games will you be watching?

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East Kent Saint

East Kent Saint

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  On 06/05/2023 at 06:36, AlexLaw76 said:

what is sad, the BBC - who are massive champions of equality, particularly in ladies football - values this event waaaaay less than the Qatar world cup.

 

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They have no money thanks to the tories , starting with Thatcher onwards . First the BBC had to absorb World Service costs that were paid by the foreign office to promote the UK as part of the Empire . Then they froze the licence fee and to cap it all they made the BBC pay the cost of free licences for over 75 year olds that was paid by the DWP as a benefit . The right wing press has slagged the BBC off at each of these policy changes ! 
Women's football was all the BBC can afford but FIFA want more cash after sports washing regimes have been dropped out after protest by the Women’s football teams .

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badgerx16

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  On 06/05/2023 at 15:02, East Kent Saint said:

They have no money thanks to the tories , starting with Thatcher onwards . First the BBC had to absorb World Service costs that were paid by the foreign office to promote the UK as part of the Empire . Then they froze the licence fee and to cap it all they made the BBC pay the cost of free licences for over 75 year olds that was paid by the DWP as a benefit . The right wing press has slagged the BBC off at each of these policy changes ! 
Women's football was all the BBC can afford but FIFA want more cash after sports washing regimes have been dropped out after protest by the Women’s football teams .

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Facts don't exist for some people, their only reality is Twitter.

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AlexLaw76

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  On 06/05/2023 at 15:02, East Kent Saint said:

They have no money thanks to the tories , starting with Thatcher onwards . First the BBC had to absorb World Service costs that were paid by the foreign office to promote the UK as part of the Empire . Then they froze the licence fee and to cap it all they made the BBC pay the cost of free licences for over 75 year olds that was paid by the DWP as a benefit . The right wing press has slagged the BBC off at each of these policy changes ! 
Women's football was all the BBC can afford but FIFA want more cash after sports washing regimes have been dropped out after protest by the Women’s football teams .

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They have choices...they are choosing to spend a pittance on Ladies footy....

They could just operate under a completely different model and grow beyond their restrictions now.

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Saint86

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Results not bad today, would have a chance if we had just 3 more points, let alone hadn't sacked hassenhuttle 

Would be sods law that we get results out of forest and Fulham and then go down to the dippers last game. 

😢

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Mixedkebab

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No matter how Sky talk up this season it’s looking boringly familiar as far as the top 6 are concerned

Mega rich Newcastle replacing Chelsea is about as exciting as it gets unless Brighton hopefully break it up 

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OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

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  On 06/05/2023 at 16:16, Saint86 said:

Results not bad today, would have a chance if we had just 3 more points, let alone hadn't sacked hassenhuttle 

Would be sods law that we get results out of forest and Fulham and then go down to the dippers last game. 

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When we were relegated 2004/5, 34 points was enough to stay up. Looking at the remaining Leeds, Everton & Notts For fixtures, there's every chance that 33 points would be enough to stay up this year. Is there a positive mindset pill our bunch could swallow before they play Forest on Monday? Can someone mix up RS's wardrobe so that in a fit of pique he doesn't travel to the game? Like Saint86 said, this should not be a year to be relegated.

LiberalCommunist

LiberalCommunist

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HT: Liverpool 1-0 Brentford

Liverpool are unbeaten in their last 122 Premier League matches when leading at half-time.

Brentford have a record of W1, D2, L7 when trailing at half-time this season.

 

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Nope, not us surprisingly. 

Saint86

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  On 06/05/2023 at 17:32, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

When we were relegated 2004/5, 34 points was enough to stay up. Looking at the remaining Leeds, Everton & Notts For fixtures, there's every chance that 33 points would be enough to stay up this year. Is there a positive mindset pill our bunch could swallow before they play Forest on Monday? Can someone mix up RS's wardrobe so that in a fit of pique he doesn't travel to the game? Like Saint86 said, this should not be a year to be relegated.

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I've been saying 33-34 points for weeks. But our goal difference means we'd be at the bottom of any team on that points total. We're done now, can stick a fork in it. We'd need minimum 3 wins and a draw from the last 4 games to have a chance.... I think it would be a literal miracle to survive, and that's ignoring the way we're playing and our total lack of attacking identity. I could even see us even needing to get 4 wins as I'm not convinced we'd get out of it with 34 points and our goal difference. 

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OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

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  On 06/05/2023 at 18:08, Saint86 said:

I've been saying 33-34 points for weeks. But our goal difference means we'd be at the bottom of any team on that points total. We're done now, can stick a fork in it. We'd need minimum 3 wins and a draw from the last 4 games to have a chance.... I think it would be a literal miracle to survive, and that's ignoring the way we're playing and our total lack of attacking identity. I could even see us even needing to get 4 wins as I'm not convinced we'd get out of it with 34 points and our goal difference. 

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If Leeds, Notts For & Saints all ended up on 33 points, there's a high probability Saints would have the best goal difference of the three. And Everton would have to finish on 32 points. So Forest is a 'massive' game after all 😀

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That hope, as we know, wears off. 😂

Or at least it will after our 1-0 defeat on Monday!

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 07/05/2023 at 07:16, AlexLaw76 said:

LIverpool fans remain classy as ever...

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Shocking fan base really, worst in the country. But for some reason they are saluted as ''one in a million'.

If you notice the 'events' yesterday don't get spoken about much, brush it under the carpet - don't want to bad mouth the poor old victims.

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AlexLaw76

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  On 07/05/2023 at 10:41, S-Clarke said:

Shocking fan base really, worst in the country. But for some reason they are saluted as ''one in a million'.

If you notice the 'events' yesterday don't get spoken about much, brush it under the carpet - don't want to bad mouth the poor old victims.

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Next thing they will be saying "why aren't we prepared to pay Bellingham £300k a week"

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 07/05/2023 at 10:41, S-Clarke said:

Shocking fan base really, worst in the country. But for some reason they are saluted as ''one in a million'.

If you notice the 'events' yesterday don't get spoken about much, brush it under the carpet - don't want to bad mouth the poor old victims.

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Events yesterday?

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