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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 02/10/2022 at 14:00, Turkish said:

Not much different to how it’s been for years though is it. Two teams miles ahead of the others, 3-4 playing for the other champions league places and then everyone else. It’s just different names at the top now

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Most years things were quite close. If city end up winning it by miles every single season then it loses even the limited appeal it had at the top. The Premier league has always had the teams at the top but its always had a bit more competition than the likes of the SPL. 

qwertyell

qwertyell

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  On 02/10/2022 at 14:12, Dorchester Saint said:

We may well beat the premier league highest defeat record next week. I dread to think how the Austrian Pellegrino will approach Man City……fuck!

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We drew with City home and away last season, as mad as that sounds with a defence that shipped 70 goals. Conceded 1 across the 2 games.

It's the kind of "nothing to lose" game we tend to do surprisingly well in.

Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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  On 02/10/2022 at 20:30, qwertyell said:

We drew with City home and away last season, as mad as that sounds with a defence that shipped 70 goals. Conceded 1 across the 2 games.

It's the kind of "nothing to lose" game we tend to do surprisingly well in.

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Unfortunately they have Haaland this year.

Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan

Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan

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  On 03/10/2022 at 09:28, Lighthouse said:

Here’s a question; at what point (and I’m not saying it’s now) do we start talking about Haaland as the greatest PL striker of all time?

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Depends on your thinking I suppose. For me, Thierry Henry was unplayable, absolutely terrific player with it all so is up there. Shearer obviously has the record for goals, and a ridiculous amount of longevity, especially with the injuries. And Rooney was a monster too, just on natural talent at times.

Haaland is obviously a terrific striker, but I think to be considered in the "all time" category he would need to do it across at least 5 years. He has certainly had the best start, and might be the best talent, but it will be years before he is considered the best ever!

Gingeletiss

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  On 03/10/2022 at 09:28, Lighthouse said:

Here’s a question; at what point (and I’m not saying it’s now) do we start talking about Haaland as the greatest PL striker of all time?

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Possibly after he scores Eight against us this weekend, in a 12-0 thrashing.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 03/10/2022 at 09:41, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

Depends on your thinking I suppose. For me, Thierry Henry was unplayable, absolutely terrific player with it all so is up there. Shearer obviously has the record for goals, and a ridiculous amount of longevity, especially with the injuries. And Rooney was a monster too, just on natural talent at times.

Haaland is obviously a terrific striker, but I think to be considered in the "all time" category he would need to do it across at least 5 years. He has certainly had the best start, and might be the best talent, but it will be years before he is considered the best ever!

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Also worth putting in context that he's playing in probably the best team the PL has ever seen. Would have been interest to see how he compared if he was in Shearer's Newcastle team for instance. 

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 03/10/2022 at 09:41, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

Depends on your thinking I suppose. For me, Thierry Henry was unplayable, absolutely terrific player with it all so is up there. Shearer obviously has the record for goals, and a ridiculous amount of longevity, especially with the injuries. And Rooney was a monster too, just on natural talent at times.

Haaland is obviously a terrific striker, but I think to be considered in the "all time" category he would need to do it across at least 5 years. He has certainly had the best start, and might be the best talent, but it will be years before he is considered the best ever!

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I agree that he needs to do it over a period of time, but as long as he stays fit (Which has been a small concern over him) then he will become the best, as he's a freak.

He'd improve any team he plays in, his power and strength alone are too much for teams to deal with. It does help having players like De Bryune who can pick him out without looking, but he's also the sort of player who has the attributes to make lot himself.

To be on 17 goals by the start of October is just ridiculous. There's no longer a golden boot race, or a title race for that matter.

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 03/10/2022 at 09:28, Lighthouse said:

Here’s a question; at what point (and I’m not saying it’s now) do we start talking about Haaland as the greatest PL striker of all time?

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he's certainly got every chance, consistently over 3 seasons really, but his dad has already said he wants to test himself in all the top leagues so doubt he'll be here any longer than that. 

tajjuk

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I think he's probably the PL's first generational talent they have had playing at the top of their game. The league has had some great players, but this is like peak Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Cruyff, R9 Ronaldo, Pele level play and I don't think the league has ever really had a player like that. When Ronaldo was here he was still a developing player, the 50+ goal seasons didn't come to a bit later, I think barring injuries we are going to see a 50-60 goal season from Haaland, I mean scarily we might see a near 50 goal domestic season let alone all comps. 

He reminds me a bit of original Ronaldo at Barcelona, not quite the same dribbling ability but the pure power and pace combination that most defenders just cannot handle. You watch some of the goals that Ronaldo scored for Barca where he just turns on the turbo boosters and powers past defenders that look like they are stuck in the mud, Haaland does similar, he is a yard or two behind defenders and will still reach the ball first easily and even if they get onto him, he's so strong he just brushes them aside. That goal he scores against Palace where he gets inside of Joel Ward, who tries to muscle him off the ball but Haaland has such strength and balance that not only does he easily hold him off, he maintains perfect control of the finish. You look at other strikers who might get into a similar position, they might be able to use their body to hold off the challenge but often the shot is mistimed or scruffy because they are a little off balance, but Haaland just finishes it perfectly and calmly as if no one is within 20 yards of him. 

It's freak levels of power, strength, pace and acceleration that are rarely scene in combination. Added to a very natural goalscorers instinct of where to be, where the ball is going to drop, it's such a unique combination. Plus he's getting better, he wasn't at Dortmund particularly good in the air, he is now scoring more headed goals and he is also getting assists, his pass for Foden's 2nd I think was sublime, perfectly weighted with enough bend to completely cut out the defence. 

I think the only things that will stop him breaking pretty much every PL scoring record going are that he will likely move to Real Madrid at some point and injuries. That is what curtailed R9 from hitting the sort of numbers Messi and Ronaldo have hit, his body just let him down. 

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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The PL record for most goals in a season is jointly held by Andy Cole and Alan Shearer on 34. Even with a mid-season WC, Haaland will eclipse that in mid January at his current scoring rate.

tajjuk

tajjuk

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  On 03/10/2022 at 13:53, Lighthouse said:

The PL record for most goals in a season is jointly held by Andy Cole and Alan Shearer on 34. Even with a mid-season WC, Haaland will eclipse that in mid January at his current scoring rate.

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Those were also 42 games seasons. 

The other thing I saw pointed out is the guy seems a genuine nice bloke, whenever I've seen him speak he seems pretty likeable and grounded. Plus he's said before that interviews and fame don't really excite him. 

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Are Bertrand and Vestergaard permanently injured or just permanently not selected?

Leicester v Forest tonight could be interesting.

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 03/10/2022 at 18:17, FarehamSaintJames said:

Are Bertrand and Vestergaard permanently injured or just permanently not selected?

Leicester v Forest tonight could be interesting.

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Just crap as far as I understand. Two first team stalwarts when they were here, can't get into the worst team in the league.

Manuel

Manuel

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  On 03/10/2022 at 18:21, Lighthouse said:

Just crap as far as I understand. Two first team stalwarts when they were here, can't get into the worst team in the league.

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Not surprised Bertrand's form slipped away but, unpopular view though it might be, I thought Vestergaard was improving and was still pretty decent when he left us and I think we miss some of his long ball distribution. 

Dellman

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  On 03/10/2022 at 18:17, FarehamSaintJames said:

Are Bertrand and Vestergaard permanently injured or just permanently not selected?

Leicester v Forest tonight could be interesting.

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They were fading when they left us (polite way of putting it} and we did a good bit of business.

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Leicester very up for this. Dominate the game, Forest have a single counter attack and hit the post, then Leicester go up the other end and score twice in two minutes. (26mins gone - 2-0).

Steve Cooper will be next to go. Sometimes buying fifty players doesn’t work. Who knew. 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

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S-Clarke

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  On 03/10/2022 at 19:50, woodsaint1 said:

When do we play Forest? Please let it be after we've got a new manager in place

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Think we first play them in the new year.

I always thought Forests approach was daft, should have focused on keeping who they had rather than buying all new. They'll go the way of Fulham without doubt.

HarvSFC

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Six of Forest's 23 signings were full-backs. Was an uncoordinated and a scatter gun approach. Their owners are slightly more forgiving than Watford's when it comes to manager's, so expect Cooper to go next.

Saint Garrett

Saint Garrett

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  On 03/10/2022 at 20:12, Lighthouse said:

Why would we want the manager who's bottom of the league on 4 points, having spent twice as much money as us?

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Why are fans so short sighted? Clearly done a very good job elsewhere, and was always going to be incredibly difficult at the start of the season with a brand new squad.

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Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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  On 03/10/2022 at 20:13, Saint Garrett said:

Why are fans so short sighted? Clearly done a very good job elsewhere, and was always going to be incredibly difficult at the start of the season with a brand new squad.

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Plus despite the money they've spent, are any of their new signings actually that good? I very much doubt Cooper had a say in them either. 

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 03/10/2022 at 20:13, Saint Garrett said:

Why are fans so short sighted? Clearly done a very good job elsewhere, and was always going to be incredibly difficult at the start of the season with a brand new squad.

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He’s done well wherever he’s gone, took Forest from bottom of the championship to promotion but let’s write him off because he’s had a bad start to life in the premier league with 76 new players 🙄

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No team cohesion by Forest. Scatter-gun approach doesn’t work, must be infuriating for Cooper. Decent manager but can’t help but feel the majority of these are not his signings.

No doubt they’ll turn it on when they play us.

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