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8 hours ago, angelman said:

Last time I enjoyed watching England was Italia 1990

Apart from that semi we were generally terrible in that tournament. Absolutely no better than what Southgate delivered in a semi and a final. You’ve just got older.

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9 hours ago, RedArmy said:

I can’t think of many other available managers that would have got more out of this squad.

I can't think of any other manager who'd have picked that squad, and then put out that team. Call me old fashioned, but I like a full back at full back, and in form players in the team. The basics ain't difficult. 

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7 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

So now we will be playing against sides made up of Postmen, Milkmen, and Bank Clerks, who we will smash off the park. Whoever has the TV rights will be throwing themselves round the room burning through pallets of Kleenex as Harold Kane gets the England top scorer Badge playing San Marino, Andorra, and Faroe Islands 

Idea of Nations League was to replace friendlies with more competitive games against teams of a similar standard , group B tables will change a lot as one promoted and one relegated in each one but get the idea . 

Watching England last night was like the Villa v Saints game again, zero entertainment. Good to see Saints legend Gabbiadini still going strong. 

 

https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/standings/

 

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On paper, Southgate has achieved brilliant results in the main.

But, we were not particularly good at the Euro's despite getting to the final.  Both the Euros and the World Cup came with favourable routes to the latter stages, with many of the usual big teams being under-par.  Many of those big teams have sorted out their shitz, so god knows now.

He's a relatively negative / risk averse manager and wedded to a group of players for the last 2-3 years.  He is seemingly ignoring any club form, and sticking by said players.  Which has been the un-dooing of many England managers before him.

Pickford, Maguire, Shaw, Trippier, Walker, Rice, Sterling, Phillips, Kane and Saka, all picked no matter what.  Some of those, I wonder if they deserve their place in the squad/starting 11.  (I mean, we had 6 fullbacks in the squad and started with Saka on the left).   Throw in his insistence on having 3-4 RBs in a squad/10-12 defenders, which is quite frankly bizarre.  Kane rarely does not play 90 mins, so we have no idea if Abraham/Toney/whoever could step up, bar the odd game/30 mins they may get.  Does Sterling have to play every game?  He is not world class as many parrots in the media say, and when is stinks, he really does.  Is Grealish really better than Maddison?  

 

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1 hour ago, egg said:

I can't think of any other manager who'd have picked that squad, and then put out that team. Call me old fashioned, but I like a full back at full back, and in form players in the team. The basics ain't difficult. 

Especially when you’ve got the whole county to pick from, what’s the point of him going up and down watching matches when he picks the same old same old.

To have so many fullbacks in a squad then play Saka left wing back is just weird.

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1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

With the national team striving for the goal scoring prowess we are as a club, and with both managers possibly being towards the end of their tenures, a jobswap opportunity would allow both to keep those values, while freshening things up. 🙂

 

The old build from the back plus wing backs was the way , perhaps it’s  been worked out by other teams so a new style required . Pep moved on to no central striker but has found that a good one works well . So new era for all is the big central striker who is mobile and is in the right place up front , not defending half the match.

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5 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Apart from that semi we were generally terrible in that tournament. Absolutely no better than what Southgate delivered in a semi and a final. You’ve just got older.

Thank you CB Fry (referring to the 1990 World Cup finals). I thought at the time, and still do, that Bobby Robson (yes, the sainted Bobby Robson) got lucky several times during his tenure, and was never the raging success that he is now seen as, looking back. Lovely bloke, but not quite the brilliant manager he is now seen as.

As for last night, what a load of dross!

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1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Does anyone really get excited about international football anymore? I've found the older I get, I'm getting less and less interested in watching England. I love football too will watch the World Cup, but really not that bothered about what England do anymore. 

I'm actually the opposite. The older I get the less interested I am in club football and only really now watch internationals, if anything.

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Lord Duckhunter

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15 hours ago, angelman said:

Last time I enjoyed watching England was Italia 1990

So you didn’t enjoy Euro 96, stuffing 5 past the Germans in Germany, Beckhams penalty against the Argies, beating Germany and reaching the Euro 2020 final? 
 

It wasn’t that we were particularly good in ‘90. We were shite most of the tournament. 

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1 hour ago, Piran said:

Thank you CB Fry (referring to the 1990 World Cup finals). I thought at the time, and still do, that Bobby Robson (yes, the sainted Bobby Robson) got lucky several times during his tenure, and was never the raging success that he is now seen as, looking back. Lovely bloke, but not quite the brilliant manager he is now seen as.

As for last night, what a load of dross!

Spot on. Robson’s record is pretty average at best, pony at worst. He was lucky to survive ‘88 to get to ‘90. Because The Crisp salesman, Shearer and other establishment figures love him, and because he was a really nice man, his achievements are exaggerated. 
 

Personally, I always thought the hype over ‘90 (and to some extent ‘96 ) noddy behaviour. Fucking open top bus parade for losing semi finalists? Embarrassing, proper teams would consider that failure.  

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53 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

I'm actually the opposite. The older I get the less interested I am in club football and only really now watch internationals, if anything.

I used to give priority to watching England and now I sometimes forget to turn it on and when I do turn it on I wonder why I bothered. Last evening was like watching the Villa match all over again

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8 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Comparing Ralph to Southgate is an insult.

Ralph has an identity to his style of play.

Southgate is a nothing manager

Plus, even his most ardent critic would admit Ralph has had a limited squad to work with. Gareth can’t create a goal from a free choice of Kane, Foden, Mount, Grealish, Maddison, Sterling, Saka, Rashford, Bowen and Abraham .

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19 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Comparing Ralph to Southgate is an insult.

Ralph has an identity to his style of play.

Southgate is a nothing manager

What's Sains identity? It's no longer a pressing team. It's not a passing one. It's not a direct one. We don't set out to attack. We don't set out to counter attack. The only consistent identity I can see is to defend and hope for the best. England at least tried to attack last night, despite being shit and unbalanced.

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37 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Plus, even his most ardent critic would admit Ralph has had a limited squad to work with. Gareth can’t create a goal from a free choice of Kane, Foden, Mount, Grealish, Maddison, Sterling, Saka, Rashford, Bowen and Abraham .

Perhaps or reliance at all costs on Kane may be a problem

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43 minutes ago, Killers Knee said:

Back to interesting football tonight with Adams & Armstrong.  

I don't know if your remark was tongue-in-cheek, but I thoroughly enjoyed the game against Ukraine, real old-fashioned football, I thought, and better for it.

I have no real allegiance to Scotland, apart from wishing 'our' boys well, but I did enjoy that, and will be watching tonight.

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9 minutes ago, Piran said:

I don't know if your remark was tongue-in-cheek, but I thoroughly enjoyed the game against Ukraine, real old-fashioned football, I thought, and better for it.

I have no real allegiance to Scotland, apart from wishing 'our' boys well, but I did enjoy that, and will be watching tonight.

Totally agree, put in the perspective of the Villa and Italy matches, it was top-flight entertainment.  No lack of fight in the Scots team, may not be the most composed in front of goal (looking at the Saints boys) but get more shots on target than the over-rated English lads.  It will be a cracking match with, a great atmosphere and the players will rise to it.

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4 hours ago, egg said:

What's Sains identity? It's no longer a pressing team. It's not a passing one. It's not a direct one. We don't set out to attack. We don't set out to counter attack. The only consistent identity I can see is to defend and hope for the best. England at least tried to attack last night, despite being shit and unbalanced.

The game against Chelsea we were pressing all the time, don t know what you are on about, same with Man u

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Just now, stevy777_x said:

The game against Chelsea we were pressing all the time, don t know what you are on about, same with Man u

Doing it sometimes is not an identity. We have no identity, ie a style and tactics we play consistently.

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On 24/09/2022 at 00:49, John Boy Saint said:

So now we will be playing against sides made up of Postmen, Milkmen, and Bank Clerks, who we will smash off the park. Whoever has the TV rights will be throwing themselves round the room burning through pallets of Kleenex as Harold Kane gets the England top scorer Badge playing San Marino, Andorra, and Faroe Islands 

England have been relegated to Division B, not D

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Italia 90 and Euro 96 were the last tournaments where the whole nation was rapt with excitement and everyone watched together down the pub. Ever since England and international football has been subject to a sorry, sad, inexorable decline in the national - indeed global - consciousness, not unlike the FA Cup final. The decline in the FA cup was about 20 years in advance, but same trajectory. None of this is helped of course by the fact that national teams like say Brazil or Argentina or Italy are no longer the pinnacle of world football teams. They would likely lose to the best teams of Man City, Liverpool, Juve, Madrid, or Bayern.

Terrible host nation choices for World Cups over the last 20 odd years, often due to percieved political correctness and corruption have also helped kill it.

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37 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

Italia 90 and Euro 96 were the last tournaments where the whole nation was rapt with excitement and everyone watched together down the pub. Ever since England and international football has been subject to a sorry, sad, inexorable decline in the national - indeed global - consciousness, not unlike the FA Cup final. The decline in the FA cup was about 20 years in advance, but same trajectory. None of this is helped of course by the fact that national teams like say Brazil or Argentina or Italy are no longer the pinnacle of world football teams. They would likely lose to the best teams of Man City, Liverpool, Juve, Madrid, or Bayern.

Terrible host nation choices for World Cups over the last 20 odd years, often due to percieved political correctness and corruption have also helped kill it.

What a load of shit.

We got to a semi in 18 and a final in 21 and the pubs were packed. Plus the pubs were packed for the three QFs under Sven.

Plus an exponential explosion of car flags house flags etc etc. Where there was none in 1990.

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Let’s face it most of us think international football is shit between the two years of a tournament but as soon as a tournament starts we get into it and carried away. It does actually bring feel good factor to the country for a while and most are buzzing apart from a few misanthropes on Saintsweb 

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37 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

What a load of shit.

We got to a semi in 18 and a final in 21 and the pubs were packed. Plus the pubs were packed for the three QFs under Sven.

Plus an exponential explosion of car flags house flags etc etc. Where there was none in 1990.

Exactly-I watched every England game of both tournaments in packed pubs. Had to book for Euros as demand so high.

 

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Anyone go to a non-league game yesterday?

I went to Wimborne v Sholing. A very comfortable 4-0 win for Sholing despite having 3 of their best players out. Have now won all 5 league games this season.

Lovely little ground, and a gorgeous day for drinking beer by the pitch. 

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20 hours ago, Killers Knee said:

Che dropped from starting line-up, (for a QPR player) that's gotta ouch!

Scotland are having to squeeze 3 games into a week so quite pleased he didn't play another whole game. They play Ukraine away this week now will be another tough physical encounter 

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1 hour ago, The Cat said:

Anyone go to a non-league game yesterday?

I went to Wimborne v Sholing. A very comfortable 4-0 win for Sholing despite having 3 of their best players out. Have now won all 5 league games this season.

Lovely little ground, and a gorgeous day for drinking beer by the pitch. 

Good result for Sholing, can see them winning the league this season,  I didn't go to a game yesterday but will try to do a couple of non league during the World Cup break 

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