New striker - signed? According to Dutch Media

[Gordon Mockles]

Transfer fees / loan arrangements are small beer compared to the (obscene) wages some of our 'stars' have been on. I bet you can pay the wages of most of those 15 with a John + a Rasiak.

 

Youth = pocket money.

 

Your 'who signs who stick' is irrelevant. SFC have had the same policy on signings for the last 10yrs. Chairman, scouts, managers, agents, coaches provide the options and a commitee of people decide based on need, quality and finances. Personally I am happier with that than having a manager running around with a brown envelope.

 

If we have a brute of a striker, great, we need one. Climb down off your anti-Lowe horse and try to be happy about it

 

"Climb down off your anti-Lowe horse and try to be happy about it..."

 

Only if you climb down off your fence and take off your rosey tinted specs and try and be objective while watching the team in Red and White, not Red & Pink!!

 

I've highlighted sections of your post to help.

 

- Point 1: I'd rather have Rasiak AND Stern John than the bunch of rejects and injured, no hoper kids we brought in to keep the benches warm. Besides, it's an assumption on your part that the kids are on peanuts.

 

Is Dyer on such inferior wages too, with your financial insight? Also, are those signings as cheap like our coaching set-up? The set-up of the now departed Poorvliet, Wotte, Gorre and the alleged involvement of this mystery Dutch advisor, Van Guess who are all, apparently, cheaper than one Nigel Pearson?! Enlighten me!

 

- Point 2: I think you'll find you included a word which is devoid in Lowe and the ghost board's recruitment policy...I've highlighted the word, see if you can spot it!

 

OOPS! Just thought, who signed Rasiak as well?! Hmmmmm????

[mulletsaint]

Christ, we may have bought a new tall striker, something everyone's been saying we need, and just because nobody knows him from Adam, the conspiracy theorists and paranoid schizophrenics are questioning his purchase already!

 

Alright, I'm pretty ****ed at the club's postion, both on the pitch and off it, and we as fans haven't had a lot to cheer about in recent seasons, but give the guy a chance. Nothing's even been confirmed yet.

 

What annoys me is that it doesn't matter what type of news is reported about The Saints, some faces have to start playing Mulder and Scully.

 

See the other post referencing LeTiss's comments that the fans need to get behind the team and new manager and stop their anti-board stance. The man that many see as being probably the greatest Saint alive (apologies Channon) is suddenly being cast as Lowe's stooge! No? The posters suggesting he has come out in support of the board because they've had words with him, might not put it this way, but like it or not that's what their posts infer.

[Saint Martini]

Now a Dutch website is reporting that eventhough Wotte has stated that he wants to get Denneboom there have no been any talks with either Twente or Denneboom. I guess Eredivisie Live jumped the gun a bit.

[Chez]

Looking at Wottes comments on the OS it looks like he will only be able to make one signing. IMO that needs to be a CM not a striker. Patterson, McGoldrick, Saga, Lallana and BWP ought to be enough. Perhaps I have too much faith in one or two of those, but in contrast I have little trust in Schneiderlin, Gillett, Wotton and Surman.

 

I can only hope this new striker makes the same sort of impact that Saga did two seasons ago, although people should note that it was Guthrie that really turned our season for me.

[buctootim]

Looking at Wottes comments on the OS it looks like he will only be able to make one signing. IMO that needs to be a CM not a striker. Patterson, McGoldrick, Saga, Lallana and BWP ought to be enough. Perhaps I have too much faith in one or two of those, but in contrast I have little trust in Schneiderlin, Gillett, Wotton and Surman.

 

I can only hope this new striker makes the same sort of impast that Saga did two seasons ago, although people should note that it was Guthrie that really turned our season for me.

 

 

I disagree. Our problem isnt that we have conceded too many goals or failed to create chances, its that we havent finished off moves and scored enough. If there is just one signing it has to be a clinical finisher IMO.

[Polaroid Saint]

Against Donny, and correct me if I'm wrong, only 3 players had come through the academy, ( Surman, McG, and James) all others were bought in - looks like they are finally accepting that our home grown young players can't do the job on their own.

 

No, the young players need some journey men players brought in to help them not do the job.

 

Seriously though, no news on this transfer yet?

 

I agree with the sentiment if McClaren doesn't rate him, he's probably alright!

[Chez]

I disagree. Our problem isnt that we have conceded too many goals or failed to create chances, its that we havent finished off moves and scored enough. If there is just one signing it has to be a clinical finisher IMO.

 

you are right we haven't scored enough goals and certainly a host of chances have been missed in some games, but I have also been to countless games where we've created **** all. Add to this there have been many many other games where we have been carved open oftem right down the middle. A strong midfielder is a MUST IMO who can allow Surman to prosper.

 

Actually I can't argue that we need a striker. Every position needs to be improved keeper apart.

[Polaroid Saint]

A strong midfielder is a MUST IMO who can allow Surman to prosper.

 

Quite. Neither Wotton or Spiderman have done the job they were brought in to do. Good shout.

 

Problem is where to find one we can afford and would join our relegation battle?

 

Persuade Nigel "rabbits foot' Quashie to come back? No, on second thoughts...

[saintwarwick]

I disagree. Our problem isnt that we have conceded too many goals or failed to create chances, its that we havent finished off moves and scored enough. If there is just one signing it has to be a clinical finisher IMO.

 

Or maybe we can have a cricketer version of an allrounder, a clinical finisher who can defend.

[Alain Perrin]

"Climb down off your anti-Lowe horse and try to be happy about it..."

 

Only if you climb down off your fence and take off your rosey tinted specs and try and be objective while watching the team in Red and White, not Red & Pink!!

 

I've highlighted sections of your post to help.

 

- Point 1: I'd rather have Rasiak AND Stern John than the bunch of rejects and injured, no hoper kids we brought in to keep the benches warm. Besides, it's an assumption on your part that the kids are on peanuts.

 

Is Dyer on such inferior wages too, with your financial insight? Also, are those signings as cheap like our coaching set-up? The set-up of the now departed Poorvliet, Wotte, Gorre and the alleged involvement of this mystery Dutch advisor, Van Guess who are all, apparently, cheaper than one Nigel Pearson?! Enlighten me!

 

- Point 2: I think you'll find you included a word which is devoid in Lowe and the ghost board's recruitment policy...I've highlighted the word, see if you can spot it!

 

OOPS! Just thought, who signed Rasiak as well?! Hmmmmm????

 

 

Thanks Gordon for yor insightful feedback. I do try and be objective, do you? A couple of points which may have slipped your mind.

 

1) We are broke - we can't afford any of our higher waged stars (Rasiak, John, Saga etc.). It serves no-ones purpose for them to be out on loan unless we don't have an option.

 

2) It is in NO-ONEs interest for Saints to get relegated or go to the wall. Do you not think Lowe would jump at the chance to be promoted?

 

3) When you started work were you on the same wage as now? Likely not. Experienced, quality staff cost more, office juniors are cheap as chips. I reckon you'd almost halve the wage bill of our normal team by not having 2 players (Rasiak and John) on the books (Skacel may skew that though).

 

4) You are naive if you think Nigel Pearson was a one man band, he'd have had support staff too. Pound for pound was JP cheaper, probably, but inconsequentially. Despite what Lowe says on this, I think it is obvious that price wasn't the main reason for getting rid of Pearson. Lowe's belief (right or wrong) that Pearson wasn't the man to operate on a shoestring was probably more the reason.

 

5) Despite youth, Dyer is probably on reasonable wages. He was on his second contract and he's an asset that would have walked out of the club with minimal compensation. At the moment he isn't costing us anything and is (probably) increasing in value. That's good business in my book, do you not agree?

 

6) Quality, ah quality. A word forgotten by people like yourself when talking of Delgado et. al. For every Delgado there was a Crouch, for every Nilson there was a Niemi, for every Van Damme there was a Svenson. "Look at the rubbish we're signing at the moment" you say as you scrabble around for your magic beans that makes the money grow.

 

If you can give me three, no two - ah go on, one realistic reason why it suits Lowe to get relegated, I will bow to your superior knowledge. If you can't, then you cannot explain why he'd not want to make the best quality team (including our two top scorers) available for the manager (whoever he may be) to select from.

 

Losing for the fun of it suits no one.

[sotonist]

5) Despite youth, Dyer is probably on reasonable wages. He was on his second contract and he's an asset that would have walked out of the club with minimal compensation. At the moment he isn't costing us anything and is (probably) increasing in value. That's good business in my book, do you not agree?

 

by second contract do you mean the one we offered him to make sure he couldn't walk away for free?

 

if so we only needed to match the salary on his old contract to meet the criteria, as far as I know.

[Alain Perrin]

by second contract do you mean the one we offered him to make sure he couldn't walk away for free?

 

if so we only needed to match the salary on his old contract to meet the criteria, as far as I know.

 

What criteria? I assume it was an offer we wanted him to accept, hence matching probably wouldn't have worked.

[a1ex2001]

What criteria? I assume it was an offer we wanted him to accept, hence matching probably wouldn't have worked.

 

You miss the point, in order to get compensation from another team when they sign a youngster who's contract has expired then you must have offered them an extension that matched there previous terms. It is the common belief of alot of fans that we offered such a contract to dyer assuming that he would sign for another club like pompey who would then have to pay us the compensation as set by the tribunal. Sadly it appears at the time nobody made him a better offer so it signed the contract that we were obliged to have offered him leaving us with a player the club didn't want so he has been consistently shipped out on loan.

[Scummer]

Has he signed yet?

[Alain Perrin]

You miss the point, in order to get compensation from another team when they sign a youngster who's contract has expired then you must have offered them an extension that matched there previous terms. It is the common belief of alot of fans that we offered such a contract to dyer assuming that he would sign for another club like pompey who would then have to pay us the compensation as set by the tribunal. Sadly it appears at the time nobody made him a better offer so it signed the contract that we were obliged to have offered him leaving us with a player the club didn't want so he has been consistently shipped out on loan.

 

 

I don't think I do. I always thought we'd offered him a contract to sign in order to keep him on this books, with the hope of a resale at some point or, as you point out, compensation if he didn't accept. As it is he hasn't cost us much because he's been on loan with his wages paid by someone else and we can still sell him.

 

Win win in my opinion.

[Iowsaintsfan]

Has he signed yet?

 

 

Rudi?

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Still no sign of the fella then? Wotte's going on???

[Andy_Porter]

I really can't see us signing him, although Twente have signed the lad from the Aus team now.

[saintwarwick]

I really can't see us signing him, although Twente have signed the lad from the Aus team now.

 

Transfer window hasn't closed yet, plenty of time for him to sign (or not).

[Chez]

by second contract do you mean the one we offered him to make sure he couldn't walk away for free?

 

if so we only needed to match the salary on his old contract to meet the criteria, as far as I know.

 

correct. Match what he was on before to ensure we get compensation should he leave and sign for someone else. Whether we actually really wanted him or not is another thing. Perhaps we offered him the same wage thinking he woul ddecline and then after no one showed any interest (knowing they would have to pay a fee) he actually signed the damn contract and we were then forced to loan him out to avoid him causing an `disruption'.

 

Why anyone felt that Ryan Smith was a better option is beyond me.

Edited 28 January, 2009 by Chez

[Saint Martini]

Not coming, confirmed by Wotte.

 

http://voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=72342

 

He's looking for another physically strong striker now.

[hypochondriac]

Not coming, confirmed by Wotte.

 

http://voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=72342

 

He's looking for another physically strong striker now.

 

Stern John would be perfect! Oh wait...

[Master Bates]

Not coming, confirmed by Wotte.

 

http://voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=72342

 

He's looking for another physically strong striker now.

 

Romano Denneboom finish the season at FC Twente. The wing attacker received a lot of attention of the Southampton of the Dutch coach mark Wotte, but the Tukkers do not intend cooperate in the passage. Thereby the Enschedese coach must in search of alternatives.

 

After the arrival of Jan Paul Saeijs van Roda JC seemed the Schiedammer the second Dutchman becomes who would will make the overstap to the English Championship in the winter top. We have with him said and want Romano gladly, Wotte in PZC say. But its coach Steve McClaren does not want let go him.

 

Now it is best for Sunday 23.59 find something else. We try be to closing the transfermarkt on 2 February creative. After that date we can rent only still English players. If we an experienced player obtain must he physical strong to be. It becomes stretching weekje, thus the oefenmeester.

[bridge too far]

Romano Denneboom finish the season at FC Twente. The wing attacker received a lot of attention of the Southampton of the Dutch coach mark Wotte, but the Tukkers do not intend cooperate in the passage. Thereby the Enschedese coach must in search of alternatives.

 

After the arrival of Jan Paul Saeijs van Roda JC seemed the Schiedammer the second Dutchman becomes who would will make the overstap to the English Championship in the winter top. We have with him said and want Romano gladly, Wotte in PZC say. But its coach Steve McClaren does not want let go him.

 

Now it is best for Sunday 23.59 find something else. We try be to closing the transfermarkt on 2 February creative. After that date we can rent only still English players. If we an experienced player obtain must he physical strong to be. It becomes stretching weekje, thus the oefenmeester.

 

I lolled a bit at these bits. The 'bent' side of football eh?

[Master Bates]

[DT]

It becomes stretching weekje, thus the oefenmeester.

This is the single most profound thing I have ever read on this forum. Watching Saints does indeed become stretching weekje.

[trousers]

This is the single most profound thing I have ever read on this forum. Watching Saints does indeed become stretching weekje.

 

 

My children are wondering why I'm laughing out loud and I'm struggling for an answer....

[fish fingers]

Dennebom has just scored for Twente. HCDAJFU

[saint lard]

Dennebom has just scored for Twente. HCDAJFU

 

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