Block 5 Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 If he has been signed would he be able to play on Tuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulip Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 if it's true,good one i say,at least he's looks like a typical ccc centre forward,we're a struggling side with no money so we can't be too fussy.gotta be better than the 44th best young player in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 does it really matter Um who signed him. the real questions is can he be a prolific scorer for us and is he any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Some one to help create some decent chances is very welcome. And height and power too. I suppose we'll soon see if McG is contractually obliged to start or if he was just JP's love interest. How about a sweep on when this will first appear on the OS? Maybe in the post-match report of the Norwich game when his names on the teamsheet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 does it really matter Um who sighend him. the real questions is can he be a prolific scorer for us and is he any good? I think it does matter massively who signed him. If it was Poortvliet who set the ball rolling, then you can assume Wotte will be serving up similar fare. If it's someone else signing the players, then who is it and who are they accountable to? One of our problems this season has been a poor transfer record with a number of players who have been brought in, either under performing or not even contributing. Now if that was down to Poortvliet, then maybe that problem has gone away following his departure, but if it was not his say, then surely nothing has changed, when perhaps it should have. Personally, I think Poortvliet didn't have an awful lot of say in who came in and that had a big impact on our poor record this season, so to me it does matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 People were getting quite excited about a rumour that Marlon Harewood was coming here on loan, and from the sounds of it, this guy is of a similar mould. If we keep hold of Saga then these 2 could potentially form a good partnership. Only time will tell though! Lets wait and see what happens . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 I think it does matter massively who signed him. If it was Poortvliet who set the ball rolling, then you can assume Wotte will be serving up similar fare. If it's someone else signing the players, then who is it and who are they accountable to? One of our problems this season has been a poor transfer record with a number of players who have been brought in, either under performing or not even contributing. Now if that was down to Poortvliet, then maybe that problem has gone away following his departure, but if it was not his say, then surely nothing has changed, when perhaps it should have. Personally, I think Poortvliet didn't have an awful lot of say in who came in and that had a big impact on our poor record this season, so to me it does matter. i could not care less who signed him..or who signs anyone..as long as they are good enough I could not care if osama bin laden signed him for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 i could not care less who signed him..or who signs anyone..as long as they are good enough I could not care if osama bin laden signed him for us Nah he would have signed him for Arseanl if he was any good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 i could not care less who signed him..or who signs anyone..as long as they are good enough I could not care if osama bin laden signed him for us Of course it matters, you can have 11 great players - that doesn't mean they make a great team. It's the managers job to get the right blend and the right type of players that work together to make a good TEAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 i could not care less who signed him..or who signs anyone..as long as they are good enough I could not care if osama bin laden signed him for us Even if it undermines the manager??? This bloke looks a bit rough and tumble to me, so there is a possibility he could be just what we need. I would love him to start bullying defenders and creating opportunities for others. Nothing would give me more pleasure than for him to become our Steve Howard. But going on our past track record of signing players this season, which IMHO has been one of our main failings, it doesn't leave me with much confidence. Additionally if we're signing a player a day or so after the departure of a manager, then I think it's fair to ask who is driving the acquisition of players. Is he Jan's man, if so how will he fit in to Wotte's plans? If he's not Jan's man, then just who is making the footballing decisions, because then you might start getting to the bottom of why we have been so poor this season if others are bringing players that the coaches have to then mould into a team. If that is our modus operandi, then it didn't serve us well in the first half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 .......Mmm?... not unless you count Denis Bergkamp and Rommedahl...! ...then of course, Ipswich had those two who ran their midfield so well for years.. (names escape me at moment...? (M........... and ???? ) Arnold Muhren and thijsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 So who has signed him then????? Wotte has only been in the job two days and he's already bagged us a striker. If he's one Jan had lined up then you have to assume it's business as usual with Wotte literally picking up where Poortvliet left off. Unless of course others are involved in the signing of players of course;) And would that surprise you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Baz Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Looks like Wotte has already worked with Denneboom at Willem II. Although, McClaren has now quoted that he will not let Denneboom go without a replacement. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.elfvoetbal.nl/index.php%3Faction%3Dn%26id%3D69641%26etitel%3DczozMzoiRGVubmVib29tIG9wIHdlZyBuYWFyIFNvdXRoYW1wdG9uIjs%3D&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddenneboom%2Bsouthampton%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7HPEB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonbenali Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Or actually it's been Wotte all along looking after transfers as a director of football in all but name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 In Southampton coach Jan Poortvliet was recently on a non-active states. Mark Wotte take temporary tasks. The former oefenmeester of Willem II, FC Utrecht and ADO Den Haag is the main courses in English. Inadvertantly quite accurate.JP "non-active". Wotte,"temporary tasks";do we expect him to be here in August ? "Oefenmeesters";yes we are run by oafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Does that say that Wotte has taken temporary charge? It also says he's the main course, so i doubt we can rely on it 100% Unless he caught mad cow disease.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Although, McClaren has now quoted that he will not let Denneboom go without a replacement. Did he say it in that really funny accent he's 'found'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 I bet he's sh1t. I reckon you will be right... Have you seen him play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Looks like Wotte has already worked with Denneboom at Willem II. Although, McClaren has now quoted that he will not let Denneboom go without a replacement. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.elfvoetbal.nl/index.php%3Faction%3Dn%26id%3D69641%26etitel%3DczozMzoiRGVubmVib29tIG9wIHdlZyBuYWFyIFNvdXRoYW1wdG9uIjs%3D&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddenneboom%2Bsouthampton%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7HPEB Send them DMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 An out-of-favor striker from a mediocre team in Holland, who MIGHT come here only if Twente gets their 600K Euro bid accepted for some Aussie. Wow, there's exciting news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 so...what will that be.. 15 players signed in one way or another..? And 14 higher paid players shipped out in one form or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 An out-of-favor striker from a mediocre team in Holland, who MIGHT come here only if Twente gets their 600K Euro bid accepted for some Aussie. Wow, there's exciting news! Just for Saint Warwick can i change my expectations. I bet he's really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Yeah....cos most Dutch international strikers are **** aren't they? If we signed the best players in the world people would moan. This man has had PSV after him and has represented his country at the highest level. To be fair hes played once in 2004 ... Ricketts played 1 game for England it doesnt make him a player we'd want to sign. His scoring record according to wiki is not exactly immense 24 in 94 games for NEC and 2 in 10 for FC Twente. Its not the fact were not signing the worlds best players , were saints fans we know thats not going to happen, its the fact were signing more no marks to get on the end of non existant Ryan Smith crosses when we have better players out on loan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 (edited) An out-of-favor striker from a mediocre team in Holland, who MIGHT come here only if Twente gets their 600K Euro bid accepted for some Aussie. Wow, there's exciting news! The fact he is older than 16 and taller than 5'5" means it looks exciting news rather than the lightweight kids we have been bringing into the side. Edited 25 January, 2009 by saintwarwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 An out-of-favor striker from a mediocre team in Holland, who MIGHT come here only if Twente gets their 600K Euro bid accepted for some Aussie. Wow, there's exciting news! To be fair, Twente aren't that bad a side and are up there pushing for the title this season. He is out of favour though, but I wouldn't write him off just yet!!!!! It is possible to distinguish between the odd ray of sunshine (e.g. Poortvliet going and a burly striker coming in) and the continuing farce that we are (e.g. Wotte stepping up and Totale Voetbal still going strong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 i could not care less who signed him..or who signs anyone..as long as they are good enough I could not care if osama bin laden signed him for us agree totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Just for Saint Warwick can i change my expectations. I bet he's really good. I'm honoured, I guess Wiltshire Saint will be gutted to not be afforded the same honour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 And 14 higher paid players shipped out in one form or another. But the quality of the incoming talent and how the money has been used is not totally dependent on who has been shipped out. Most of us didn't have problems with the majority of the shipping out (although there were questions regarding strikers), but that does not mean to say that we have been happy with what has comeon the other way!!! For me, our transfers in policy has been a major factor in our poor form this season, with an apparent scattergun approach being undertaiken and too many youngsters hoovered up in the vain hope that they will come good. Players in and players out are not mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 An out-of-favor striker from a mediocre team in Holland, who MIGHT come here only if Twente gets their 600K Euro bid accepted for some Aussie. Wow, there's exciting news!I expect it was us playing in the Champions league that made him choose us.Lol. Im surprised that we are likely to sign anyone who is anywhere near an international, in fact even if they've been to watch one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 i could not care less who signed him..or who signs anyone..as long as they are good enough I could not care if osama bin laden signed him for us Good shout and I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 But the quality of the incoming talent and how the money has been used is not totally dependent on who has been shipped out. Most of us didn't have problems with the majority of the shipping out (although there were questions regarding strikers), but that does not mean to say that we have been happy with what has comeon the other way!!! For me, our transfers in policy has been a major factor in our poor form this season, with an apparent scattergun approach being undertaiken and too many youngsters hoovered up in the vain hope that they will come good. Players in and players out are not mutually exclusive. Our transfer policy over the last few years has not been that good either That is why we are in the mire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 It matters very much who signs the players. A manager that doesn't sign players has responsibility without control. If Lowe's doing it, well....we've no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 I wonder if this answers why we're having a press conference on Monday just to announce we'd promoted from within for the vacant manager's role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 It matters very much who signs the players. A manager that doesn't sign players has responsibility without control. If Lowe's doing it, well....we've no chance. on another thread, it was said WGS did not sign many of our players..but terry cooper did..? how far do we take this..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 .......Mmm?... not unless you count Denis Bergkamp and Rommedahl...! ...then of course, Ipswich had those two who ran their midfield so well for years.. (names escape me at moment...? (M........... and ???? ) Sorry to be a pedant but as a fellow countryman I have to point out that Rommedahl is Danish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Apparently he knows George Weah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Ray Wilkins on radio other day said a lot of managers have very very little to do with signings and haven't for last 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Someone else watching the game. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A46451676 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Ray Wilkins on radio other day said a lot of managers have very very little to do with signings and haven't for last 10 years We've gone through that before and methinks your being extremely disengenuous with what he said and what Clubs it related to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 But the quality of the incoming talent and how the money has been used is not totally dependent on who has been shipped out. Most of us didn't have problems with the majority of the shipping out (although there were questions regarding strikers), but that does not mean to say that we have been happy with what has comeon the other way!!! For me, our transfers in policy has been a major factor in our poor form this season, with an apparent scattergun approach being undertaiken and too many youngsters hoovered up in the vain hope that they will come good. Players in and players out are not mutually exclusive. I don't disagree with what you say, all I am doing is providing a balanced opinion, we all know the players we have got rid of cost us a lot in wages and the players in cost a lot less hence the quality. I would of preferred us to keep some of that experience but it appears we have had to balance the books due to our financial woes. Now it may have backfired by using the youngsters if that was the gamble however I don't sit in on any boardroom or bank meetings (like most, if not all on here) so I don't know who's pulling the strings financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 we have had to balance the books due to our financial woes. 15 odd players since June would suggest we have had a degree of latitude regards spending money. It should have been spent much more wisely and it should have been overseen by a competent manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 i could not care less who signed him..or who signs anyone..as long as they are good enough I could not care if osama bin laden signed him for us He could terrorise a few defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 only time will tell how good he is BUT i hope he is better than the last two forwards the dutch brought in , Robertson and Peckhart. i do not care how many keepie uppies they can do or whether they have good passing skills all they need is to be able to hit the back of the net anything else will be a bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 15 odd players since June would suggest we have had a degree of latitude regards spending money. It should have been spent much more wisely and it should have been overseen by a competent manager. And this is where I came in with my post of 14 higher paid players out to offset that latitude of spending money. These were high earners we could not afford and we have ended up with cheaper options. That of course wasn't the right direction but one that had to be taken through our financial woes. I would of liked a few of those released players to have stayed to add experience and at least to score a few more goals but as I said I am not invited to boardroom ar bank meetings so I don't know what our constraints are. I agree a better manager may have spent more wisely but it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 His scoring record according to wiki is not exactly immense 24 in 94 games for NEC and 2 in 10 for FC Twente. I dont know the Dutch leagues at all. Would this have been against defenders of english premiership quality or english CCC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 That's actually a half decent player! He's big and strong (but not that good with his head) and very very fast. Good signing IMHO although we'll have to wait and see how he gets on in England. Not perhaps a great goalscorer but he's played on the wing quite a bit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 He could terrorise a few defenses Doubt it, he's probably dead,not that that would stop us signing him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Looks like Wotte has already worked with Denneboom at Willem II. Although, McClaren has now quoted that he will not let Denneboom go without a replacement. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.elfvoetbal.nl/index.php%3Faction%3Dn%26id%3D69641%26etitel%3DczozMzoiRGVubmVib29tIG9wIHdlZyBuYWFyIFNvdXRoYW1wdG9uIjs%3D&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddenneboom%2Bsouthampton%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7HPEB The replacement has supposedly already signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 signing a Dutch international should be seen as a VERY positive thing that most Prem clubs would welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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