New Premier League season: How will introduction of five-subs rule affect top flight?

[manina-pub]

Some interesting stats here ....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62224191

 

I will look forward to RH's usage of subs with his better (?) squad 

[Saint86]

I think its a lazy assumption to assume it will benefit the top clubs. Its always been the case that you expect stronger squads to do better - regardless of whether they have no subs, 3, or 7 etc. Granted it may take a bit of an adjustment for teams to effectively recruit and adjust for the new use of squad depth, but i can't see that balance fundamentally changing.

What it may allow, is for teams like us (with smaller squads), to better protect key players over busy periods. I.e. bring KWP/JWP/Livramento etc off on 80min if the points are in the bag. Which is an advantage to us over a longer season in terms of the relative worth of key players.
 

Edited 28 July, 2022 by Saint86

[david in sweden]

Whilst it looks like a gift for the teams with big / expensive squads, Saints may also benefit now that we have some new faces.

If I'm right (?) ...the new " teenage signings " won't necessarily be included in the " Prem. 23 " stats and so we will have even more options.

Clearly key players who have to play 95 mins - and take a few bad tackles - may not be forced to stay on the field for the entire game

if we can make a like-for-like substitution.   

Fitness maybe maintained if they can be " rested " after a strenuous 60-70 minutes instead of  dragging out the entire match time. 

Both Livramento and Broja suffered injuries after 4-5 months of intensive Prem. action they weren't previously used to.

 

Many times we have seen teams forced to make major tactical changes because one player comes off.  This will also give fringe players

a better chance to " get minutes"  they wouldn't normally have (when we are limited to 3 subs.) and increase their match experience,

when managers are forced to choose who they can / can't substitute because of the limitation of only 3 changes.

 

 

[Paulwantsapint81]

5 subs per game

gk - rarely required 

JWP - never needs subbing 

so Ralph can sub 56% of the team

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are concussion subs allowed in addition to the 5?

[Diabolus Ex Machina]

I can’t see much changing to be honest – any team wanting to win a competition/qualify for Europe/ avoid relegation will try and play their strongest team at every available opportunity and if you’ve already brought on your best 3 players to try and gain/protect a lead I’m not sure how much difference an extra 2 will make.

I imagine the extra 2 subs will mainly be saved for late game injuries or more likely late game time wasting (I can’t see refs giving 8+ mins of stoppage time if all subs are used for example). Perhaps some rare instances where a manager realises they made a total balls up with the line-up and makes wholesale changes might occur.

The one team that probably really benefits is City as their backups are comparable to their starters in a lot of cases and Pep has already shown he is happy to rotate unlike Klopp who’ll probably start the same team 90% of the time and then complain when they are too tired/pick up injuries when he only gives them the odd 10-15 mins off at the end of the games that they are comfortable in.

[Disco Stu]

I think it could potentially change in-game strategies substantially. 5 subs to 10 outfield players completely changes the character of a team. I could even imagine players being brought on to do a certain task only to be taken off again once it's complete e.g. A penalty, a free-kick (Southgate?), time wastage or professional fouls.

Edited 28 July, 2022 by Disco Stu

[Nolan]

4 hours ago, Paulwantsapint81 said:

 

are concussion subs allowed in addition to the 5?

yes

[Holmes_and_Watson]

50 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 I could even imagine players being brought on to do a certain task only to be brought off again once it's complete e.g. A penalty, a free-kick (Southgate?), time wastage or professional fouls.

59mins -AA is brought on.

60mins - AA falls over after a soft challenge.

61mins - Physio reaches AA. Drinks/rest break for the Saints!

62mins - AA is brought off at first throw in after ref restarts.

🙂

[Saint Billy]

It will definitely mean more interruptions and time wasting. 

[sandwichsaint]

6 hours ago, Saint86 said:

I think its a lazy assumption to assume it will benefit the top clubs. Its always been the case that you expect stronger squads to do better - regardless of whether they have no subs, 3, or 7 etc. Granted it may take a bit of an adjustment for teams to effectively recruit and adjust for the new use of squad depth, but i can't see that balance fundamentally changing.

What it may allow, is for teams like us (with smaller squads), to better protect key players over busy periods. I.e. bring KWP/JWP/Livramento etc off on 80min if the points are in the bag. Which is an advantage to us over a longer season in terms of the relative worth of key players.
 

Not sure this will apply too often!

Genuine question, in the 38 games last season, how many times were we 2-up with 10 mins to play ?

Completely random guess, no more than 'eight' times ... ????

[Charlie Wayman]

It will help in some circumstances particularly when injuries force changes that might otherwise have wrecked a manager's overall game plan.

I can see also that if the subs are fully integrated into the style of play that tired legs or under perming players can be replaced more often . The better the quality of the subs the more likely their introduction into the team on the field will be harmonious and seamless.

On the negative side 'though we see quite often that bringing on subs can throw a spanner in the works and cause a breakdown in automatism so that team performance suffers.

[Danbert]

Teams that play a pressing game expend more energy. The 5 subs rule will allow us to be that bit more aggressive and bring on fresh legs without the team losing impetus towards the end of the match because too many players are tired.

[skintsaint]

Look forward for Ralph to make the first of his 5 subs after 80mins when 3-0 down.

[sandwichsaint]

15 hours ago, sandwichsaint said:

Not sure this will apply too often!

Genuine question, in the 38 games last season, how many times were we 2-up with 10 mins to play ?

Completely random guess, no more than 'eight' times ... ????

Back to the drawing board (for both of us). Using our extra subs when the 'points are in the bag' versus 'that doen't happen very often'.

In the league last year we could have deployed this tactic (quick, extra subs, we're 2 up with 10 mins to play) exactly ONCE! Brentford home was the only time in 38 attempts we got into this position.

It might have more application in the cups: we achieved this lofty position away at Newport and also at home to West Ham.

[Nolan]

more stats here:

Why 5 substitutes in the Premier League doesn't mean an advantage for the bigger clubs (espn.co.uk)