JCBSaint Posted 16 July, 2022 Posted 16 July, 2022 What a great result for the Southampton Cricket Team (Hampshire for those east of here) brilliant fielding and what entertainment, courageous captain , congrats to all. Another 🏆 trophy 4
miserableoldgit Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 10 hours ago, JCBSaint said: What a great result for the Southampton Cricket Team (Hampshire for those east of here) brilliant fielding and what entertainment, courageous captain , congrats to all. Another 🏆 trophy It was immense! Nail biting right to the end.....especially when the final delivery was ruled as a "no ball" after the fireworks and celebrations had started!! Well done Hampy!! 1
Dman Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 2 hours ago, miserableoldgit said: It was immense! Nail biting right to the end.....especially when the final delivery was ruled as a "no ball" after the fireworks and celebrations had started!! Well done Hampy!! An incredible ending, I thought I’d seen it all in 2019 with the wold cup final and Stokes heroics in the ashes cup but this matched those for drama. Incredible of Ellis to compose himself and hold his nerve at the end after thinking they’ve won it. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 Listening to 5Live and there is a view that the umpires cocked up and Hampshire should not have won.
Tamesaint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Listening to 5Live and there is a view that the umpires cocked up and Hampshire should not have won. The view is bollocks. Lancashire's claim is based on the theory that they would have run twice when the ball went straight to the wicketkeeper. I doubt whether this has ever happened in any game of cricket ... ever. Bad losers. 😁 2
ecuk268 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Listening to 5Live and there is a view that the umpires cocked up and Hampshire should not have won. There was also a claim that, in the penultimate over of Hampshire's innings, Lancashire only had 3 fielders inside the circle. 3
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 1 minute ago, Tamesaint said: The view is bollocks. Lancashire's claim is based on the theory that they would have run twice when the ball went straight to the wicketkeeper. I doubt whether this has ever happened in any game of cricket ... ever. Bad losers. 😁 Oh dear. The claim is that the field was changed after the no ball which it shouldn't have been. I don't believe this was checked as it would have been declared another no ball and they would have had one more to bowl.
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: The view is bollocks. Lancashire's claim is based on the theory that they would have run twice when the ball went straight to the wicketkeeper. I doubt whether this has ever happened in any game of cricket ... ever. Bad losers. 😁 Something about the fielders not being in the same position when the free ball was bowled, meaning another no-ball Also, about the runs, apparently the fielders just started to celebrate, whilst the batsman completed 2 runs.....
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Oh dear. The claim is that the field was changed after the no ball which it shouldn't have been. I don't believe this was checked as it would have been declared another no ball and they would have had one more to bowl. That's rubbish - they spent about 5 minutes before the final ball was bowled attempting to get it right and the umpires were happy. Again, that just stinks of being bad losers; and the fact that the commentators and/or so-called experts were entertaining that view is just a sign of bias. I felt all the way through that there was significant bias towards Lancashire. They were praising Lancashire until the match started to turn and when it did they just criticised the Lancashire bowling or cited 'luck'.
Tamesaint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Something about the fielders not being in the same position when the free ball was bowled, meaning another no-ball Also, about the runs, apparently the fielders just started to celebrate, whilst the batsman completed 2 runs..... They only completed the 2 runs after the umpires said that the ball was dead. That is normal when the batsman's stumps are broken by the fielding team. There was a similar fielding issue when Lancashire were bowling. They should have had 4 fielders "inside the circle" on the last ball of the 19th over. They only had 3 allowing them to have an extra fielder in a run saving position. As I said - bad losers. 2
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: They only completed the 2 runs after the umpires said that the ball was dead. That is normal when the batsman's stumps are broken by the fielding team. There was a similar fielding issue when Lancashire were bowling. They should have had 4 fielders "inside the circle" on the last ball of the 19th over. They only had 3 allowing them to have an extra fielder in a run saving position. As I said - bad losers. It was the commentators not Lancashire complaining (as far as what I was listening). Just commenting on the umpires may have got it wrong
Tamesaint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 4 minutes ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said: the fact that the commentators and/or so-called experts were entertaining that view is just a sign of bias. I felt all the way through that there was significant bias towards Lancashire. They were praising Lancashire until the match started to turn and when it did they just criticised the Lancashire bowling or cited 'luck'. Exactly. Radio 5's coverage was amazing. They were constantly blowing smoke up Lancashire's arse seemingly unaware of Hampshire 's record of defending low scores in big matches Eg The quarter final at Trent Bridge last season. The injured Lancashire bowler Mahmood was one of the summarisers without a Hampshire "counterbalance". Imagine the outcry on here if Saints were to play Liverpool in the cup final and the only summariser was the injured Jordan Henderson. 1
Tamesaint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: It was the commentators not Lancashire complaining (as far as what I was listening). Just commenting on the umpires may have got it wrong The Lancashire captain Dane Vilas spent ages after the match complaining to the umpires.
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: It was the commentators not Lancashire complaining (as far as what I was listening). Just commenting on the umpires may have got it wrong Their skipper was whinging on. They lost fair and square end of. Like TS said bad losers that couldn’t win when they were 70+ for 1 in the 8th. 1
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: It was the commentators not Lancashire complaining (as far as what I was listening). Just commenting on the umpires may have got it wrong You need to watch not listen you WUM
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 Just now, Toadhall Saint said: You need to watch not listen you WUM Bit agressive - jesus
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: The Lancashire captain Dane Vilas spent ages after the match complaining to the umpires. I had no idea, just commenting on pundits chatting about the topic. Calm down
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Bit agressive - jesus Remind me what we’re you banned for before?
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Remind me what we’re you banned for before? Just commenting on a cricket thread about what was being said by a couple of pundits on 5live. I offer my apologies if it offends you that pundits were discussing this on national radio Edited 17 July, 2022 by AlexLaw76
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Just commenting on a cricket thread about what was being said by a couple of pundits on 5live. I offer my apologies if offends you that pundits were discussing this on national radio To be fair, it wasn't just "pundits" also ex England players and even an ex England captain during the break in todays ODI. Although it still stands that Lancashire are sore losers. To try and claim that is why they lost when they should have won by a massive margin is bollocks. They lost their bottle and the shiny trophy.
Tamesaint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I had no idea, just commenting on pundits chatting about the topic. Calm down I am completely calm. If you want to regurgitate bollocks expect to be slapped down. If you don't like being corrected don't regurgitate bollocks.
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: I am completely calm. If you want to regurgitate bollocks expect to be slapped down. If you don't like being corrected don't regurgitate bollocks. Corrected at what? I have not given an opinion on this? If an ex-England skipper is wrong, tell them, not me!
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 18 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Bit agressive - jesus Sorry you find that aggressive it wasn’t meant to be just factual.
badgerx16 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 Wasn't there a 7 ball over towards the end of Surrey's run chase to beat Yorkshire last week, where they scored off the 7th ball. Why don't Hampshire get in the media complaining that the umpires got THAT wrong ? Regardless of field placings, where it appears the umpires may have got 1 ball wrong in each innings, there is no way you can run 2 to the keeper, especially after the non-striker has gone 10 yards past the stumps running the first, and the keeper has run to the stumps with the ball as he did so. The second "run" would have been the easiest run out in history had they attempted it. 2
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Wasn't there a 7 ball over towards the end of Surrey's run chase to beat Yorkshire last week, where they scored off the 7th ball. Why don't Hampshire get in the media complaining that the umpires got THAT wrong ? Regardless of field placings, where it appears the umpires may have got 1 ball wrong in each innings, there is no way you can run 2 to the keeper, especially after the non-striker has gone 10 yards past the stumps running the first, and the keeper has run to the stumps with the ball as he did so. The second "run" would have been the easiest run out in history had they attempted it. And let’s not ask about the caught behind that feathered the bat with a non flat line on ultra edge that wasn’t given. 1
badgerx16 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: And let’s not ask about the caught behind that feathered the bat with a non flat line on ultra edge that wasn’t given. The Hampshire fielders were pointing up at the big screen and telling the batsman that he had hit the ball. Edited 17 July, 2022 by badgerx16
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: The Hampshire fielders were pointing up at the big screen and telling the batsman that he had hit the ball. I know. Umpire gave it not out after the review - that happens in any other game and the batsman is out. Can you imagine that happening in an ashes test match? There would be uproar.
SaintH Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 If you watch the Sky highlights, the very last ball goes through to the keeper who runs up and smashes the wicket. He then sees the Lancs batter turning to run back down the wicket, so the keeper runs the length of the wicket, smashes those stumps and gently lobs the ball to the umpire. End of game. The only complaint Lancs could have is whether or not the Hants fielders were in the same fielding positions for the retaken No Ball but the umpires were happy at the time. And in any case Lancs should have been punished earlier for not having the correct amount of fielders in the circle during Hants innings. Sore losers! 3
Tamesaint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 38 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Corrected at what? I have not given an opinion on this? If an ex-England skipper is wrong, tell them, not me! So you have no opinion on this yet you come on the forum to wind up the Hampshire fans who are "enjoying the. moment'. Tell me, honestly. When you were at school did you find that you were getting your head kicked in an awful lot? 😁😁😁
Graffito Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Tamesaint said: The Lancashire captain Dane Vilas spent ages after the match complaining to the umpires. He appeared to be bending Vince’s ear about it during the presentations too. He should take a leaf out of Vince’s book and stay calm under pressure rather than sitting with his head in his hands or biting his nails like he did before he went in to bat. 2
badgerx16 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 Just to be clear, on the 'wrong' field being set for the no-ball on the last ball; there is no penalty if the field is incorrect, it is simply up to the umpires to check the field is the same before allowing the game to proceed. Therefore, it would NOT have been a second no-ball. 1
miserableoldgit Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Graffito said: He appeared to be bending Vince’s ear about it during the presentations too. He should take a leaf out of Vince’s book and stay calm under pressure rather than sitting with his head in his hands or biting his nails like he did before he went in to bat. Sadly they (he) just came across as bad losers. Hampshire posted a low total which Lanky should have beaten reasonably easily. They didn't and paid the price. 1
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 16 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: I know. Umpire gave it not out after the review - that happens in any other game and the batsman is out. Can you imagine that happening in an ashes test match? There would be uproar. Technically the TV umpire didn't give it 'not out' after the review. He decided there wasn't 'overwhelming' evidence to overturn the on-field umpires call of not out. He's got a point to be fair. [/MLG mode].
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 1 minute ago, badgerx16 said: Just to be clear, on the 'wrong' field being set for the no-ball on the last ball; there is no penalty if the field is incorrect, it is simply up to the umpires to check the field is the same before allowing the game to proceed. Therefore, it would NOT have been a second no-ball. That's not how Nasser Hussain described it during the break in the ODI today.... He stated that if the field wasn't exactly how it was for the first no ball, then it would have been called a second no ball. Seems like nit-picking though as the umpires gave the go ahead.
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: So you have no opinion on this yet you come on the forum to wind up the Hampshire fans who are "enjoying the. moment'. Tell me, honestly. When you were at school did you find that you were getting your head kicked in an awful lot? 😁😁😁 Oh.
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 12 minutes ago, SaintH said: If you watch the Sky highlights, the very last ball goes through to the keeper who runs up and smashes the wicket. He then sees the Lancs batter turning to run back down the wicket, so the keeper runs the length of the wicket, smashes those stumps and gently lobs the ball to the umpire. End of game. The only complaint Lancs could have is whether or not the Hants fielders were in the same fielding positions for the retaken No Ball but the umpires were happy at the time. And in any case Lancs should have been punished earlier for not having the correct amount of fielders in the circle during Hants innings. Sore losers! He also took the stump out of the ground at the non striker's end and touched the ball against it, just for good measure. Had they run, it would have been the easiest run out call in history.
Tamesaint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Oh. I bet you were fun at school on Monday 3 May 1976 (if you were old enough) explaining to everyone that Stokes was offside when he scored. After all Buchan, the Scotland captain claimed that he was. 😁😁😁
AlexLaw76 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 1 minute ago, Tamesaint said: I bet you were fun at school on Monday 3 May 1976 (if you were old enough) explaining to everyone that Stokes was offside when he scored. After all Buchan, the Scotland captain claimed that he was. 😁😁😁 You seem to think I agreed with the points raised. Odd
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 Thought it was an amazing game of cricket. Thought at one point Hampshire had no chance. Fair play to them
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 29 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Technically the TV umpire didn't give it 'not out' after the review. He decided there wasn't 'overwhelming' evidence to overturn the on-field umpires call of not out. He's got a point to be fair. [/MLG mode]. He gave it not out. The commentators decided it wasn’t overwhelming?
JCBSaint Posted 17 July, 2022 Author Posted 17 July, 2022 I started this topic, blimey can’t believe all the controversy!! End of day We won! Everyone can bitch bout this or that, I thought we were well below par batting, they should of managed to get the runs, they didn’t!! Let’s just enjoy sone silverware … county championship aswel? Would be a great double… 1
badgerx16 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 53 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: That's not how Nasser Hussain described it during the break in the ODI today.... He stated that if the field wasn't exactly how it was for the first no ball, then it would have been called a second no ball. Seems like nit-picking though as the umpires gave the go ahead. The Playing Conditions for the T20 Blast only say that the field for a free hit should remain unchanged unless, (1) the no-ball was originally called for an illegal field or, (2) the batsmen somehow crossed and are oppositely handed. The wicket keeper is also permitted to change from "stood up" to "stood back". There is no mention of a sanction should such a change not be noticed, unless the change results in an illegal field placing, ie not enough fielders inside the circle.
miserableoldgit Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 15 minutes ago, JCBSaint said: I started this topic, blimey can’t believe all the controversy!! End of day We won! Everyone can bitch bout this or that, I thought we were well below par batting, they should of managed to get the runs, they didn’t!! Let’s just enjoy sone silverware … county championship aswel? Would be a great double… Amazing isn't it? Typical of this forum. If Saints won the league there would be people questioning this and that instead of basking in the glory.... 1
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 30 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: He gave it not out. The commentators decided it wasn’t overwhelming? Did the on field umpire originally give it 'not out'? I'm pretty sure he did in which case the TV umpire didn't overturn the decision as there was no 'clear and obvious' error (how VAR should work but doesn't!!).
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: The Playing Conditions for the T20 Blast only say that the field for a free hit should remain unchanged unless, (1) the no-ball was originally called for an illegal field or, (2) the batsmen somehow crossed and are oppositely handed. The wicket keeper is also permitted to change from "stood up" to "stood back". There is no mention of a sanction should such a change not be noticed, unless the change results in an illegal field placing, ie not enough fielders inside the circle. Nasser.hussain@skysports.co.uk is your best bet, I'm just repeating what he said this afternoon - I'm assuming that an ex England captain would know the rules but feel free to correct him
badgerx16 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Nasser.hussain@skysports.co.uk is your best bet, I'm just repeating what he said this afternoon - I'm assuming that an ex England captain would know the rules but feel free to correct him An ex England captain should respect the judgement and decisions of the match officials. 1
East Kent Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 9 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Nasser.hussain@skysports.co.uk is your best bet, I'm just repeating what he said this afternoon - I'm assuming that an ex England captain would know the rules but feel free to correct him Players don’t often know the rules properly , that’s why it is down to the Umpires ! Like football ! Nasser wasn’t our best captain either 😃
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 30 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: An ex England captain should respect the judgement and decisions of the match officials. He has respected it. His current job is as a 'talking head' so he's also respecting his current employer by discussing the drama...
badgerx16 Posted 17 July, 2022 Posted 17 July, 2022 Just now, Weston Super Saint said: He has respected it. His current job is as a 'talking head' so he's also respecting his current employer by discussing the drama... And fuelling a nonsense argument purely for the potential for controversy.
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