Well, it definitely won't be Suella Braverman and the rebirth of the Conservative Party

[trousers]

8 minutes ago, Manuel said:

Sunak vs Truss with Truss on top?  

With Sunak's appeal steadily increasing, I suspect he'll take her from behind.

Thanks for that mental imagery 

Edited 20 July, 2022 by trousers

[Tamesaint]

4 minutes ago, buctootim said:

With a bit of luck she'll spend most of the next two years in China selling pork 

And eating cheese.... but only British cheese. None of that French stuff.

Edited 20 July, 2022 by Tamesaint

[Sheaf Saint]

58 minutes ago, igsey said:

It's going to come down to Sunak v Truss, and then it's a case of Tory party members weighing up their racism against their sexism. I suspect Truss will come out on top.

I think you're right.

Truss is trying to appeal to the older generation of Tory members who adored Thatcher by trying to imitate her (she even wore an identical outfit in the first TV debate), and it seems to be working. My mum (not a member, but certainly an old fashioned Tory voter) thinks she would be the sensible choice and would see the country in good hands to see of the 'threat' of socialism.

[farawaysaint]

3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I think you're right.

Truss is trying to appeal to the older generation of Tory members who adored Thatcher by trying to imitate her (she even wore an identical outfit in the first TV debate), and it seems to be working. My mum (not a member, but certainly an old fashioned Tory voter) thinks she would be the sensible choice and would see the country in good hands to see of the 'threat' of socialism.

Does the UK have a socialism threat?

[badgerx16]

40 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

Does the UK have a socialism threat?

You can guarantee that it will have at the next election, at least on the front pages of the Fail, Express, and Torygraph.

[Wade Garrett]

Shame it looks like Mordaunt won’t make the final two.

There is not a chance in hell that I will vote for Sunak or Truss in a general election.

Typical Tories, get rid of Boris and then choose between 2 of his closest colleagues to lead the party.  Idiots.

[buctootim]

3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Shame it looks like Mordaunt won’t make the final two.

There is not a chance in hell that I will vote for Sunak or Truss in a general election.

Typical Tories, get rid of Boris and then choose between 2 of his closest colleagues to lead the party.  Idiots.

Exactly. Thery would have had a good chance if they had thrown out the discredited past and found someone fresh, but no.  

Edited 20 July, 2022 by buctootim

[Sheaf Saint]

 

 

[aintforever]

Mordaunt was doing OK until it was revealed that she was accidentally nice about Transexuals a while ago.

[trousers]

If Truss becomes leader I'll have to consider joining the Labour Party

[buctootim]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

If Truss becomes leader I'll have to consider joining the Labour Party

My God! It's like the Pope not being Catholic 😧

Edited 20 July, 2022 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

If Truss becomes leader I'll have to consider joining the Labour Party

Why not the LDs ?

[jawillwill]

Was looking forward to the Saint Sunak v Pompey Penny south coast derby 😔

[trousers]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Why not the LDs ?

Because tongue-in-cheek comments potentially have more comedy value when they're more extreme....

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, trousers said:

Because tongue-in-cheek comments potentially have more comedy value when they're more extreme....

Or they have less effect because they are less believable.

[Sheaf Saint]

Sadly she has deleted this already...

Did she mean like this...

[badgerx16]

1) Tory MPs saying that if Truss wins, they will certainly lose the next election.

2) If the members think Truss is Thatcher 2.0 they will be very disappointed. Regardless of your view of Maggie, Truss isn't fit to lace her boots.

[Baird of the land]

Don’t see how either candidate (who are both firmly tethered to the grime and sleaze) has a hope of winning when next general election comes round.

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Don’t see how either candidate (who are both firmly tethered to the grime and sleaze) has a hope of winning when next general election comes round.

Wait till the Tory press gets going on Keir Starmer during the election campaign.

[whelk]

Starmer v Truss is manna from heaven for Labour. She can’t connect 

but hey we get our NI increase back and she will deliver defeat

[Lord Duckhunter]

58 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Don’t see how either candidate (who are both firmly tethered to the grime and sleaze) has a hope of winning when next general election comes round.

The worst thing that happened to the Tories was winning the ‘92 election after electing a dud. Had the Welsh windbag won it, The Tories would have had Ken Clarke or Portillio facing him at the next election. Same here, maybe with a tiny majority for Starmer , the Tories can come back with Kemi or The Skate and sweep back into power. One thing for sure, whoever wins next election has a hospital pass. Only issue could be voter reform, but that’s pretty difficult in 5 years with a single digit majority. 

[whelk]

 

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, whelk said:

 

So neither canididate has a grasp of basic geography.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So neither canididate has a grasp of basic geography.

Or one of them at least doesn't give a fuck where Darlington is...

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Or one of them at least doesn't give a fuck where Darlington is...

Should do, it's a "Red Wall" Tory seat.

[ecuk268]

I can see Truss winning this. 

She's pitched herself as Thatcher reincarnated which will appeal to the electorate of mainly old, well-off, brexity southern white males.

Also, Sunak is possibly a bit too brown-skinned for the less cosmopolitan-minded of the members.

[egg]

13 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

I can see Truss winning this. 

She's pitched herself as Thatcher reincarnated which will appeal to the electorate of mainly old, well-off, brexity southern white males.

Also, Sunak is possibly a bit too brown-skinned for the less cosmopolitan-minded of the members.

Sadly I agree with this. 

[badgerx16]

Truss saying that the economic policies of the last 3 Tory Governments have failed. That would be David Cameron's cabinet, of which she was a member, Teresa May's cabinet, of which she was a member, and Boris Johnson's cabinet, of which she was a member.

 

Oh, and she has now had an epiphany over Brexit: nothing to do with going on the stump begging for the support of a bunch of doddery old Brexit voters.

Edited 21 July, 2022 by badgerx16

[Lord Duckhunter]

The Labour Party has only ever had white males as PM, white males as leaders and white males as chancellor’s. In fact their last 3 leaders aren’t just white male, they’re totally London metropolitan elite. The Tories have had 2 women leaders, 2 women PM”s and 3 BAME chancellor’s, and are just about to elect another non white male as leader. It’s a record that puts the “progressive” party to shame. 

[trousers]

17 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Or they have less effect because they are less believable.

Fair point

[whelk]

I’d rather a competent white male as PM than this stupid wooden plank.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

15 hours ago, ecuk268 said:

 

Also, Sunak is possibly a bit too brown-skinned for the less cosmopolitan-minded of the members.

What a load of pony.

Its nothing to do with the colour of his skin and everything to do with his record as chancellor, £400 shoes, stabbing Boris, getting a FPN & his wealth/wife tax/green card. Had the Lib Dem, sorry Tory, Parliamentary party given the members Kemi, she’d have wiped the floor with Truss despite the colour of her skin. I suspect that even The Saj would have beaten her. The fact Truss is white is irrelevant, its Sunak’s political and personal shortcomings that’ll do for him (unless Truss implodes).   

Edited 21 July, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[rallyboy]

When you've happily sat around a cabinet table where shitbombs have been detonated most days, it's very difficult to wander around dripping and caked in shit pretending that you weren't there.

But the handful of members will get what they want for their final years, Johnson Continuity - and if it's Truss, and I so hope it is because that will be shambolic, it'll be Johnson Continuity with extra comedy value.

Invest in popcorn and incontinence pants before the market moves - demand will be unprecedented if Truss is unleashed.

[whelk]

36 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

When you've happily sat around a cabinet table where shitbombs have been detonated most days, it's very difficult to wander around dripping and caked in shit pretending that you weren't there.

But the handful of members will get what they want for their final years, Johnson Continuity - and if it's Truss, and I so hope it is because that will be shambolic, it'll be Johnson Continuity with extra comedy value.

Invest in popcorn and incontinence pants before the market moves - demand will be unprecedented if Truss is unleashed.

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1549337977704402954

[whelk]

Quite amusing seeing the Tories openly display how vacuous they all are. Someone has now stopped them as the debates just doing the job for Labour 

as for Badenoch fuck me was she there as a token to make all the old racists feel better?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 21 July, 2022 by whelk

[Millbrook Saint]

I thought it was hilarious how the labour party, bbc, sky news etc haven't talked about the criminals Sir Keir or Raynor and the corrupt Durham police force, I thought they'd mention it every day, in every interview with them, but no, not a peep, where is this great journalism they were showing when they were hounding Boris on the eve of the Russian invasion, wonder why that is.  Oh that's right the 2 criminals are in the correct party and aren't posh.  Labour, corruption at it's best

 

as I have no more comments left Whitey Grandad response to 

Criminals? What makes you say that? 

wasn't Boris branded a criminal, for having a cake given to him, in his place of work, by people he worked with everyday?

Sir Keir and Raynor travelled 250 miles to meet people they don't work with to have beer and curry, then put pressure on the police, who then found no case to answer, in my eyes they are both criminals and the Durham police force is corrupt.

The only thing Boris did wrong was not own the situation and just went with the line 'I did nothing wrong' and he had to go, but these 2 are far more sinister, no media coverage, the Durham police force backing them up.  Imagine how the guardian would have reacted if that was Boris.

Edited 21 July, 2022 by Millbrook Saint

[Whitey Grandad]

6 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

I thought it was hilarious how the labour party, bbc, sky news etc haven't talked about the criminals Sir Keir or Raynor and the corrupt Durham police force, I thought they'd mention it every day, in every interview with them, but no, not a peep, where is this great journalism they were showing when they were hounding Boris on the eve of the Russian invasion, wonder why that is.  Oh that's right the 2 criminals are in the correct party and aren't posh.  Labour, corruption at it's best

Criminals? What makes you say that?

[whelk]

23 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

I thought it was hilarious how the labour party, bbc, sky news etc haven't talked about the criminals Sir Keir or Raynor and the corrupt Durham police force, I thought they'd mention it every day, in every interview with them, but no, not a peep, where is this great journalism they were showing when they were hounding Boris on the eve of the Russian invasion, wonder why that is.  Oh that's right the 2 criminals are in the correct party and aren't posh.  Labour, corruption at it's best

 

as I have no more comments left Whitey Grandad response to 

Criminals? What makes you say that? 

wasn't Boris branded a criminal, for having a cake given to him, in his place of work, by people he worked with everyday?

Sir Keir and Raynor travelled 250 miles to meet people they don't work with to have beer and curry, then put pressure on the police, who then found no case to answer, in my eyes they are both criminals and the Durham police force is corrupt.

The only thing Boris did wrong was not own the situation and just went with the line 'I did nothing wrong' and he had to go, but these 2 are far more sinister, no media coverage, the Durham police force backing them up.  Imagine how the guardian would have reacted if that was Boris.

Are you a fucking simpleton?

 

[aintforever]

40 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

I thought it was hilarious how the labour party, bbc, sky news etc haven't talked about the criminals Sir Keir or Raynor and the corrupt Durham police force, I thought they'd mention it every day, in every interview with them, but no, not a peep, where is this great journalism they were showing when they were hounding Boris on the eve of the Russian invasion, wonder why that is.  Oh that's right the 2 criminals are in the correct party and aren't posh.  Labour, corruption at it's best

 

as I have no more comments left Whitey Grandad response to 

Criminals? What makes you say that? 

wasn't Boris branded a criminal, for having a cake given to him, in his place of work, by people he worked with everyday?

Sir Keir and Raynor travelled 250 miles to meet people they don't work with to have beer and curry, then put pressure on the police, who then found no case to answer, in my eyes they are both criminals and the Durham police force is corrupt.

The only thing Boris did wrong was not own the situation and just went with the line 'I did nothing wrong' and he had to go, but these 2 are far more sinister, no media coverage, the Durham police force backing them up.  Imagine how the guardian would have reacted if that was Boris.

I think you will find Bozo also wasn't given fines for the gatherings he had that were considered work.

Don't let facts spoil your little rant though. 

Edited 21 July, 2022 by aintforever

[The Kraken]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Are you a fucking simpleton?

 

I think that’s beyond doubt after that mad rambling.

[The Left Back]

39 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I think that’s beyond doubt after that mad rambling.

Simpleton might even be an understatement.

[badgerx16]

Perhaps the Durham Police being corrupt explains why Cummings got away with his 60 mile eye test ?

[CB Fry]

4 hours ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Imagine how the guardian would have reacted if that was Boris.

Imagine how you would have reacted if Kier Starmer had done any one of things Boris and his people had done.

[badgerx16]

Are the Met corrupt because they only investigated 2 of the 6 "events" Boris was present at, and only issued him with 1 FPN ?

Edited 21 July, 2022 by badgerx16

[rallyboy]

Did anyone look into the legality of introducing IQ tests at Polling Stations?

 

 

 

[moonraker]

14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The Labour Party has only ever had white males as PM, white males as leaders and white males as chancellor’s. In fact their last 3 leaders aren’t just white male, they’re totally London metropolitan elite. The Tories have had 2 women leaders, 2 women PM”s and 3 BAME chancellor’s, and are just about to elect another non white male as leader. It’s a record that puts the “progressive” party to shame. 

Correct, it only emphasis how desperate they are for power.  That’s the shame, they are happy to select incompetent, pliable and overly ambitious people as long as they deliver Tory policies that serve their power base.  When they elect a a genuine caring person with true credentials who has knowledge of the the average voters needs, regardless of colour or gender, then you might just might be able to claim the moral high ground. 
 

[moonraker]

10 hours ago, whelk said:

Are you a fucking simpleton?

 

No he or she is either pissed or stoned, certainly not sane.

 

[badgerx16]

21 hours ago, whelk said:

I’d rather a competent white male as PM than this stupid wooden plank.

 

Watch it with the sound turned off, it is truly frightening.

[Jeremy Corbyn]

23 hours ago, Millbrook Saint said:

I thought it was hilarious how the labour party, bbc, sky news etc haven't talked about the criminals Sir Keir or Raynor and the corrupt Durham police force, I thought they'd mention it every day, in every interview with them, but no, not a peep, where is this great journalism they were showing when they were hounding Boris on the eve of the Russian invasion, wonder why that is.  Oh that's right the 2 criminals are in the correct party and aren't posh.  Labour, corruption at it's best

 

as I have no more comments left Whitey Grandad response to 

Criminals? What makes you say that? 

wasn't Boris branded a criminal, for having a cake given to him, in his place of work, by people he worked with everyday?

Sir Keir and Raynor travelled 250 miles to meet people they don't work with to have beer and curry, then put pressure on the police, who then found no case to answer, in my eyes they are both criminals and the Durham police force is corrupt.

The only thing Boris did wrong was not own the situation and just went with the line 'I did nothing wrong' and he had to go, but these 2 are far more sinister, no media coverage, the Durham police force backing them up.  Imagine how the guardian would have reacted if that was Boris.

What Boris did wrong was knowningly promote someone accused of serious sexual assualt.  Defend that.

[tajjuk]

23 hours ago, Millbrook Saint said:

I thought it was hilarious how the labour party, bbc, sky news etc haven't talked about the criminals Sir Keir or Raynor and the corrupt Durham police force, I thought they'd mention it every day, in every interview with them, but no, not a peep, where is this great journalism they were showing when they were hounding Boris on the eve of the Russian invasion, wonder why that is.  Oh that's right the 2 criminals are in the correct party and aren't posh.  Labour, corruption at it's best

 

as I have no more comments left Whitey Grandad response to 

Criminals? What makes you say that? 

wasn't Boris branded a criminal, for having a cake given to him, in his place of work, by people he worked with everyday?

Sir Keir and Raynor travelled 250 miles to meet people they don't work with to have beer and curry, then put pressure on the police, who then found no case to answer, in my eyes they are both criminals and the Durham police force is corrupt.

The only thing Boris did wrong was not own the situation and just went with the line 'I did nothing wrong' and he had to go, but these 2 are far more sinister, no media coverage, the Durham police force backing them up.  Imagine how the guardian would have reacted if that was Boris.

Er what? 

Do you lack the ability to read basic facts because you clearly completely no clue what the hell you are talking about.

You do get Boris wasn't fined over the cake, it has nothing to do with the cake, despite how many times it was mentioned. He was fined for specific social events that people were invited to and that he was present at that clearly broke the law.  Sunak exactly the same.

There were no fines for the cake event. 

Despite the Daily Mail trying smear Starmer for days and days (absurdly going for 7 front pages in a row) they were not smart enough to realise that one of the countries best legal minds was not going to have broken lock down rules (unlike the blonde haired buffoon) despite how many sons of tory donors trespassed to get video of it. 

They were campaigning, last time I checked that is their job, they went to Durham to support an election campaign in a key area, worked all day and ate some food, pretty obvious that zero lockdown breaches occurred as similar things were likely happening all over the country in various offices. Whereas there were MULTIPLE purely social events, invited social events in no.10, involving no.10 staff and involving the PM. I mean he literally sacked his one of his communications people for joking about the parties.

You do also get why the Daily Mail tried this desperate attempt to smear on Starmer and Raynor? Because they know that Boris is a corrupt criminal and they know that most of the country knows it and knows that whilst they were obeying rules, not seeing loved ones, talking to dying relatives via video call he was giving zero f*cks and was partying the night away.

The Daily Mail knew there was no way to save his reputation (what little he had left anyway) so they desperately tried the 'all politicians are the same act' and tried to smear Starmer and Raynor as being 'just the same as Boris' except it massively back fired on them because Starmer and Raynor are not at all like Boris and have some honour and respect for the British people and said they would resign if they were fined, unlike Boris. 

As for putting 'pressure on the police', LMAO, you have literally parroted a Daily Mail headline right there, they Daily Mail came out with that nonsense line when their dumb smear attempt back fired on them when Starmer said he'd resign, i.e. do the honourable thing unlike the bozo they back. 

The people who actually pressurised the police and wasted police time with a pointless investigation that had already been settled, WAS THE DAILY MAIL AND THE RIGHT WING PRESS. 

You basically have on the one hand a serial liar, serial adulterer, corrupt, lazy, never worked for anything in his life old etonian boys network bully

and on the other one of the top lawyers in the country, a human rights barrister, literally knighted by the queen

and you somehow think the latter is more 'sinister' than the former.

Seriously read more than the daily mail or the sun, educate yourself, you come across as staggeringly ignorant of reality.  The Conservative party and in particular Boris Johnson, and all the media that back them, don't give a flying F about people like you, they just want power and money, so they say whatever they can to distract you from their power grab and money grab.