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Sheaf Saint

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18 minutes ago, egg said:

Nice. Absolutely hideous woman, possibly worse than her appalling predecessor.

Don't think there is even a hint of doubt about that. Patel was awful in every way imaginable, but I don't remember her ever stooping so low as to use such pathetic, childish language against critics of her extreme policies.

Good bloody riddance.

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Sheaf Saint

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5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The deputy chair of the 1922 committee has submitted a letter of no confidence in the PM to Sir Graham Brady; he wants to vote with Labour in the fracking vote, and objects to being forced to go against his wishes and conscience due to the 3 line whip.

Liz gone by the weekend?

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badgerx16

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1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Here us her resignation letter that she absolutely, definitely, cross her heart and hope to die truthfully drafted herself.

Mrs B reckons this was a deliberate 'accident' to give Cruella credible distance from the coming train wreck.

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badgerx16

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Cruella's letter, part 2;

It is obvious to everyone that we are going through a tumultuous time. I have concerns about the direction of this government.

"Not only have we broken key pledges that were promised to our voters, but I have had serious concerns about this government's commitment to honoring manifesto commitments, such as reducing overall migration numbers and stopping illegal migration, particularly the dangerous small boats crossings.

"It has been a great honour to serve at the Home Office, in even the brief time that I have been here, it has been very clear that there is much to do, in terms of delivering on the priorities of the British people.

"They deserve policing they can respect, an immigration policy they want and voted for in such unambiguous numbers at the last election, and laws which serve the public good, and not the interests of selfish protestors.

"I am very grateful to all of my officials, special advisers and ministerial team for all of their help during my time as Home Secretary.

"I especially would like to pay tribute to the heroic policemen and women and all those who work at Border Force and in our security services. To oversee Operation Bridges - the largest policing operation in a generation - was a great honour and I am grateful to have had the opportunity to serve.

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The Kraken

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21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Mrs B reckons this was a deliberate 'accident' to give Cruella credible distance from the coming train wreck.

It’s possible, but there’s also rumours that there’s multiple reasons for her departure, some that have been known about for longer than today (which her letter references).

Supposedly the information she sent was market sensitive / OBR affecting.

It also looks like the whips are going to be busy after the fracking bill, a number of Tory MPs saying publicly that they won’t follow the party line.

 

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39 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Mrs B reckons this was a deliberate 'accident' to give Cruella credible distance from the coming train wreck.

Given that none of this bunch ever do the decent thing, and reading between the lines, this sounds credible. I might be reading too much into her choice of words but she does seem to be hinting that Liz should go herself given her massive cock ups and constant u turns. Still, another one down which is good news. Perhaps we can put her on a plane to Rwanda?

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Just now, badgerx16 said:

Truss having to appoint Rishi supporters must hurt.

She told Shapps he was the best communicator in the party but didn’t vote for her so he was out. Biting her badly having such little political nous 

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Lord Duckhunter

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2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Not to pensioners it wont

Well of course it doesn’t, which group of people would like their income cut. However, it will become unaffordable over time. Personally it’s, better for me if it’s kept (and noticeable that 2 lefties who it also benefit “liked” you post), but long term it will have serious implications for the affordability of future pension provisions and particularly the income of our future poorer pensioners. You can bet your life it’ll be watered down and changed by the next Gov, whatever colour they are. 

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3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s one of those policies that neither party really want to keep as it’s going to become horrendously expensive in the coming years. Tories  put it in the manifesto because of pressure and pensioners votes, but would amend it given half a chance. This was the chance (as they could hardly fall any lower in the polls ) but they don’t  look like they’re taking it. The Labour Party would love it if the Tories broke the commitment prior to them taking office, as it’ll do a must needed but unpopular reform for them. Perhaps that’s played a part in the decision, because economically it makes sense to water it down but whoever does so will probably take a political hit. 

They could have kept the triple lock and saved a lot of money by changing the definition of inflation. Using, say, the average inflation rate over the past 5 years. It still would have stung but been less damaging economically and less damaging politically. As it is Truss has pissed everybody off, something she seems to have a unique talent for.     

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22 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Well of course it doesn’t, which group of people would like their income cut. However, it will become unaffordable over time. Personally it’s, better for me if it’s kept (and noticeable that 2 lefties who it also benefit “liked” you post), but long term it will have serious implications for the affordability of future pension provisions and particularly the income of our future poorer pensioners. You can bet your life it’ll be watered down and changed by the next Gov, whatever colour they are. 

It doesn’t matter what your political persuasion is, if you are a pensioner and reliant on the state pension you would be crazy not to support the triple lock. Most people are struggling under this government but when you have people who can’t even use their toaster this money will make a huge difference next year.

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Lord Duckhunter

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19 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It doesn’t matter what your political persuasion is, if you are a pensioner and reliant on the state pension you would be crazy not to support the triple lock. Most people are struggling under this government but when you have people who can’t even use their toaster this money will make a huge difference next year.

Typical selfish response. 
 

Even the Labour Party know it’s unsustainable in its present form, which is why they didn’t vote against the Tories changing it last year. Unlike you, they understand the long term implications of maintaining it in its present form. 
 

But thanks for highlighting the problem Government faces when trying to balance the books. Middle class outrage when their money is earmarked for redistribution. 

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From the BBC:

 

"Paul Goodman, the rather well-informed editor of Tory grassroots website Conservative Home, reports that the outgoing home secretary had a row with Downing St about migration policy.

In a tweet, Goodman says Braverman was under pressure from No 10 to announce a "liberalising migration plan that would make it easier for the OBR (Office for Budget Responsibility) to say the government would hit its growth target"."

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"Forty Tory MPs abstained in Labour's fracking motion earlier, meaning they did not vote yes or no on it.

Among the MPs who abstained are Chief Whip Wendy Morton. Tory MPs have told the BBC she is no longer in post - though her position is still unclear.

PM Liz Truss is also listed as having not voted. We don't know why she wasn't present.

Other notable MPs who didn't vote are former PM Theresa May, former Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng and former Home Secretary Priti Patel.

We don't know how many abstained on principle as Parliament doesn't record the reason for not voting - they may have been unable to be in Westminster.

But given that earlier in the day the vote was being described as a confidence motion, the fact that such senior MPs did not vote will raise eyebrows"

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4 minutes ago, whelk said:

She’ll be gone v soon. Untenable 

Yep, and when the scale of the cuts is revealed on 31 October and both ministers, MPs and public kicks off, Hunt will keep the energy windfall tax on the table, she will say it’s a bridge too far and stand down. Perfect excuse. 

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4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Typical selfish response. 
 

Even the Labour Party know it’s unsustainable in its present form, which is why they didn’t vote against the Tories changing it last year. Unlike you, they understand the long term implications of maintaining it in its present form. 
 

But thanks for highlighting the problem Government faces when trying to balance the books. Middle class outrage when their money is earmarked for redistribution. 

The problem is the Tories introduced it to to lure the pensioners votes.  They have a track record of luring votes, the sacred Margaret’s council house cut price sell of being the biggest.  These short term populist policies always come back to bite you.

 

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32 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Lord David Frost in July; "Liz Truss has the right ideas and the energy to deliver them"

Lord David Frost this evening; "Liz Truss must leave as soon as possible"

And this from the twat that we had negotiating the Brexit deal, amateurs the lot of them.  I would not employ any of the current crop of senior Tories to clean my windows for fear or indelible smears.

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After the "Is it / isn't it a vote of confidence" farce, Tories who did not vote with the Government have been told they will be disciplined. Does this mean that Teresa May, Kwarsi Kwarteng, and Priti Patel, among others, will have the party whip removed ?

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5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

After the "Is it / isn't it a vote of confidence" farce, Tories who did not vote with the Government have been told they will be disciplined. Does this mean that Teresa May, Kwarsi Kwarteng, and Priti Patel, among others, will have the party whip removed ?

From what ITV said the whip and deputy want to remove themselves, loudly heard last night saying they dont want to do the job anymore!

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Braverman should have resigned on that awful 'tofu eating' speech she did in Parliament trying to push through that absurd anti-protest bill which is just authoritarianism plain and simple, add in she literally said she 'dreamt' of sending migrants to Rwanda then you have one awful awful human being that should never hold public office ever again. I mean how they managed to find a worse Home Secretary than Patel just shows how deep the Tory swamp goes. 

 

They were at odds because the plans of the extreme free market libertarians that back Truss and have infiltrated the government require a labour force we don't have and the only way to do that is to ease immigration rules which is at odds with the race baiting anti-immigration Brexiteers in the tory party. 

 

I personally think they might hold onto to Truss for a little while to pull the same trick they have been doing for years. Which is be consistently awful and fail the country, and then get in a 'new' government to try to pretend its a fresh start. We have the absurdity of Hunt being hailed as some sort of saviour, this is a guy who as Health Secretary basically made the NHS as bad as it is today and was a big supporter of austerity, he also flipped from Remain to being a Brexiteer, in short he is awful and is going to be just as bad. He's going to inflict more austerity on the country that we now know literally killed hundreds of thousands of people.  

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I think this shows more than anything else the resilience and patience of the British public (and Civil service, who are almost entirely running the country while this farce plays out). There would be plenty of countries where we would see people on the streets by now. 

I think this does prove we need to put something into law which means when a governing party change their leader (ie. the PM) a General Election must be called once a new leader is in place. 

As it stands I can see this being the end of the Conservative Party as we know it. They will get obliterated at the next election and the rump of the right (ERG/Brexiteers) will either flounce off to join Reform/UKIP or whatever Farage's latest party is, the Centrists may stay as 'Conservatives' but could equally look to join the Lib Dems and they would then once again fight it out against Labour. The ironic thing being that Labour activists who have been called for PR for years will likely suddenly find they have changed their minds once they realise that would mean giving power/seats to the Right/Far right in this country whereas retaining FPTP would likely leave them in the electoral wilderness.

In my view, there is no-one left in the current Conservative Party with the broad appeal, political nous or moral backbone to recover this. Some have suggested Boris could return, but he is simply too damaged in the eyes of the general public. Especially after going absent without leave in the dog days of his premiership. At this point he probably realises that he could make significantly more money, carping from the sidelines with little to no consequence. 

We need a GE desperately - whether we get one is unfortunately down to Conservative back benchers growing a spine.

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badgerx16

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It is a sorry state of affairs when the Parliamentary Conservative party don't trust the party's lay membership in a leadership vote.

Don't forget that Truss was in third place behind Sunak and Mordaunt in the MP ballots until the fifth round, when Badenoch's supporters had to recast their votes after her elimation in round 4, and Hunt, currently appearing to be the de facto seat of power in the Cabinet, was eliminated in round 1.

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Weston Super Saint

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2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

After the "Is it / isn't it a vote of confidence" farce, Tories who did not vote with the Government have been told they will be disciplined. Does this mean that Teresa May, Kwarsi Kwarteng, and Priti Patel, among others, will have the party whip removed ?

I assume Truss is amongst the 'others'...

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