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17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Approx 200 thousand blue rinse Tories who were happy for Rishi to be Chancellor, but didn't want to see him as PM.

Rishi was never going to get the support of those Tories, whatever his policies. It's not just them though, we can't forget that the MP's got her that far. 

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5 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The 'cost cap' also includes the'daily standing charge' given that it covers the entire bill and not just the usage of fuel element.

I have zero control over the increases added to the daily standing charge no matter how much energy usage is managed.  I also see zero benefit when the daily standing charge is increased.

To illustrate, in 2021 I paid a daily charge for electricity of 18.4p per day and gas at 13.7p.  Right now, my tariff is 52.6p for electricity and 28.5p for gas.

What benefit do I receive for the electricity supply charge that has almost tripled and the gas that has more than doubled - I doubt centrica or WPD have incurred costs in line with these rises for the delivery....

I have heard it stated that the increase in the daily standing charge is to (at least in part) cover the costs that the remaining energy companies have had to take on when accepting customers from the failed energy companies.

https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/what-are-standing-charges-and-why-are-they-increasing/

There are other reasons as well, but assuming this is correct then I guess the standing charges will reduce at some point once those costs have been recovered, but I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

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21 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Oh for crying out fucking loud... Would you lot please just do us all a massive favour and put each other on ignore instead of infesting yet another thread with your incessant childish bullshit?

Sadly the ignore button does not work when others quote those you have on ignore. You still see their posts in the quote. Also if you aren’t logged in and pop on to have a quick read you see everything from everyone which means you have to stay constantly logged in. TUI has an ignore function that means you see nothing from people on your ignore list at all, so it can be done.

Ideally the moderators should do something about abusive behaviour. It is one thing disagreeing with someone and quite another  using derogatory language against someone you may have a dislike of. For £5 when other sites are free you should expect a decent level of control over those who cannot control themselves. Something should be done about stalking and pile ons too. It is basic bullying and what happened to MLG recently was particularly unpleasant.

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7 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The 'cost cap' also includes the'daily standing charge' given that it covers the entire bill and not just the usage of fuel element.

I have zero control over the increases added to the daily standing charge no matter how much energy usage is managed.  I also see zero benefit when the daily standing charge is increased.

To illustrate, in 2021 I paid a daily charge for electricity of 18.4p per day and gas at 13.7p.  Right now, my tariff is 52.6p for electricity and 28.5p for gas.

What benefit do I receive for the electricity supply charge that has almost tripled and the gas that has more than doubled - I doubt centrica or WPD have incurred costs in line with these rises for the delivery....

Martin Lewis addressed this the other day. 
 

Standing charges are a fixed daily rate that you pay for having an electricity and/or gas connection to cover the cost of supplying energy. Under the energy price cap, Ofgem is using standing charges to recover the costs of the huge number of energy firms that went bust last year – a total of £1 billion this year.

About £68 of the typical £1,971 a year bill under the current price cap is for supplier failures, while other costs, such as increases in fixed network costs (the cost of maintaining energy networks) and policy costs (such as green levies and the rise in the warm home discount rebate) also contributed to higher standing charges.

 

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13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Sadly the ignore button does not work when others quote those you have on ignore. You still see their posts in the quote. Also if you aren’t logged in and pop on to have a quick read you see everything from everyone which means you have to stay constantly logged in. TUI has an ignore function that means you see nothing from people on your ignore list at all, so it can be done.

Ideally the moderators should do something about abusive behaviour. It is one thing disagreeing with someone and quite another  using derogatory language against someone you may have a dislike of. For £5 when other sites are free you should expect a decent level of control over those who cannot control themselves. Something should be done about stalking and pile ons too. It is basic bullying and what happened to MLG recently was particularly unpleasant.

Says the bloke who for the last 3 days has used all of their daily posts having unprovoked digs at other people. Just when the thread gets back on track up he pops again making it all about him :lol:

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So she has still not found enough integrity and backbone to resign. It’s a disgrace. In a matter of weeks she has managed to lower the bar on an incompetent, unrepentant, tin eared administration even lower than Johnson’s. They are now talking about Theresa May coming back! Nad even wants Johnson back. If the Tory party was a horse it would have been shot by now. Incredibly there are still people who support her and say she should be given more time! Starmer was excellent yesterday and must be relishing PMQs tomorrow (if she turns up).

The current spectacle of Hunt sitting there running the country whilst she sits there like a ventriloquist’s dummy is totally unedifying for a country of our stature. Another bout of austerity when we still haven’t recovered from the last 12 years is a nightmare waiting to be made real. Several new businesses in Ashford that managed to survive the lockdown have closed suddenly this week. The shopping mall is already a ghost town but there were some signs of some green shoots of recovery, but those are rapidly being snuffed out.

If we think things are bad now it is nothing to compare to where we will be next year. This has got nothing to do with any mythical anti- growth coalition. It has everything to do with 12 years of Tory austerity, Brexit, a global pandemic, sucking up to a Russian despot and two completely incompetent Prime Ministers in quick succession. Jeremy Hunt  is currently running the country. Just let that sink in for a moment. A man so incapable none of the Blue Rinse brigade vote for him. A man with a terrible track record in Cabinet office. A man who no one wants as a PM. It’s almost as if we have woken up in a parallel universe. I thought it couldn’t get much worse than it was under Johnson. It just goes to show how wrong you can be.

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3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

So she has still not found enough integrity and backbone to resign. It’s a disgrace. In a matter of weeks she has managed to lower the bar on an incompetent, unrepentant, tin eared administration even lower than Johnson’s. They are now talking about Theresa May coming back! Nad even wants Johnson back. If the Tory party was a horse it would have been shot by now. Incredibly there are still people who support her and say she should be given more time! Starmer was excellent yesterday and must be relishing PMQs tomorrow (if she turns up).

The current spectacle of Hunt sitting there running the country whilst she sits there like a ventriloquist’s dummy is totally unedifying for a country of our stature. Another bout of austerity when we still haven’t recovered from the last 12 years is a nightmare waiting to be made real. Several new businesses in Ashford that managed to survive the lockdown have closed suddenly this week. The shopping mall is already a ghost town but there were some signs of some green shoots of recovery, but those are rapidly being snuffed out.

If we think things are bad now it is nothing to compare to where we will be next year. This has got nothing to do with any mythical anti- growth coalition. It has everything to do with 12 years of Tory austerity, Brexit, a global pandemic, sucking up to a Russian despot and two completely incompetent Prime Ministers in quick succession. Jeremy Hunt  is currently running the country. Just let that sink in for a moment. A man so incapable none of the Blue Rinse brigade vote for him. A man with a terrible track record in Cabinet office. A man who no one wants as a PM. It’s almost as if we have woken up in a parallel universe. I thought it couldn’t get much worse than it was under Johnson. It just goes to show how wrong you can be.

Yeah but what about all the GROWTH, GROWTH, GROWTH..... all on track..............................NOT!!

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20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Cue Ben Wallace calling for her to go. She can't afford to piss off every senior member of her party.

She ain’t going to limp on. She might as well just go for it now as any which way she is toast and must know that.

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22 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Cue Ben Wallace calling for her to go. She can't afford to piss off every senior member of her party.

And note not one member of the current cabinet (except Hunt) raised any concerns about her insane mini budget.
No loyalty from them either. Party is just a basket case at the mo

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26 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Cue Ben Wallace calling for her to go. She can't afford to piss off every senior member of her party.

He can be pissed off as much as he wants.  There is a reason why our forces are so small and poorly equipped already.

Spending cuts on defence wont be headlining stuff.  Exercises scaled back, more ships in 'extended readiness',  more civilianising home-based jobs, cut to F35 numbers, ditch entire programmes that are in development.  Ajax will likely go (never really started).

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17 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He can be pissed off as much as he wants.  There is a reason why our forces are so small and poorly equipped already.

Spending cuts on defence wont be headlining stuff.  Exercises scaled back, more ships in 'extended readiness',  more civilianising home-based jobs, cut to F35 numbers, ditch entire programmes that are in development.  Ajax will likely go (never really started).

Perhaps, but the pledge has been to increase defence spending progressively towards 3% GDP, and he was apparently in Downing Street today confrointing Jezzer Hunt. The issue with this Government now is that after 12 years of Tory mismanagement, they have suddenly woken up and found that all their promises amount to nothing. ( Or more accurately amount to a £60Bn 'black hole' ).

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5 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Sadly the ignore button does not work when others quote those you have on ignore. You still see their posts in the quote. Also if you aren’t logged in and pop on to have a quick read you see everything from everyone which means you have to stay constantly logged in. TUI has an ignore function that means you see nothing from people on your ignore list at all, so it can be done.

Ideally the moderators should do something about abusive behaviour. It is one thing disagreeing with someone and quite another  using derogatory language against someone you may have a dislike of. For £5 when other sites are free you should expect a decent level of control over those who cannot control themselves. Something should be done about stalking and pile ons too. It is basic bullying and what happened to MLG recently was particularly unpleasant.

You could still choose not to respond though. Turks' obsession with you is admittedly very weird, but you're not entirely blameless.

I learned a long time ago the best way to deal with his wholly transparent attempts at baiting is to not take the bait. Every time you do, you feed his obsession even more. 

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3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Every group seems to be coming out with this area must be completely protected. Without having any authority truss/hunt coming up with anything to restrain spending seems far fetched.

Yep, ministers doing their job. There’s nothing to cut on public services, maybe can slow rise in science budget off and delay some transport and military projects. All of those will hurt growth badly which is why Hunt hasn’t taken the windfall tax option off the table. Truss would have to go take it up but that looks the the option which will force her exit. The going back on pension triple lock will destroy the only societal group that consistently will vote for them now as the Red Wall is going to be red again with no levelling up regional agenda as per 2019 GE.  

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

There’s nothing to cut on public services

Tell me about it.

I work for an 'arms-length' government body. We've already had our overall budget cut to the bone since the beginning of Tory austerity. We've had below-inflation pay rises for so long now that the real terms pay cut has really bitten, and this year's pay award is derisory in the grand scheme of things. We've been haemorrhaging good staff and their expertise left, right and centre because the overall pay and conditions package is now so poor compared to what skilled people can earn in the private sector - I heard recently that in my division alone only 29% of staff have more than a year's experience. The staff turnover has got so bad that we struggle to fill vacancies and the management teams are locked in a never-ending cycle of mass recruitment which takes them away from other work streams, and by the time we have completed a round of recruitment and got them all through initial training, so many people have already left that we're back to square 1 again almost immediately.

The pressure this is putting on the rest of us to fill the void and deliver on our commitments is immense and is really taking its toll on staff morale. I've never known it to be so bad as it is right now. If the gov try and impose yet more cuts to budget and personnel on top of all this, I really don't see how we will even be able to fulfil our basic functions.

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6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Tell me about it.

I work for an 'arms-length' government body. We've already had our overall budget cut to the bone since the beginning of Tory austerity. We've had below-inflation pay rises for so long now that the real terms pay cut has really bitten, and this year's pay award is derisory in the grand scheme of things. We've been haemorrhaging good staff and their expertise left, right and centre because the overall pay and conditions package is now so poor compared to what skilled people can earn in the private sector - I heard recently that in my division alone only 29% of staff have more than a year's experience. The staff turnover has got so bad that we struggle to fill vacancies and the management teams are locked in a never-ending cycle of mass recruitment which takes them away from other work streams, and by the time we have completed a round of recruitment and got them all through initial training, so many people have already left that we're back to square 1 again almost immediately.

The pressure this is putting on the rest of us to fill the void and deliver on our commitments is immense and is really taking its toll on staff morale. I've never known it to be so bad as it is right now. If the gov try and impose yet more cuts to budget and personnel on top of all this, I really don't see how we will even be able to fulfil our basic functions.

Yes terrible situation and these dumb fucks have made it even harder for Labour to rectify. I am as angry as Mark Drakeford. 

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20 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Tell me about it.

I work for an 'arms-length' government body. We've already had our overall budget cut to the bone since the beginning of Tory austerity. We've had below-inflation pay rises for so long now that the real terms pay cut has really bitten, and this year's pay award is derisory in the grand scheme of things. We've been haemorrhaging good staff and their expertise left, right and centre because the overall pay and conditions package is now so poor compared to what skilled people can earn in the private sector - I heard recently that in my division alone only 29% of staff have more than a year's experience. The staff turnover has got so bad that we struggle to fill vacancies and the management teams are locked in a never-ending cycle of mass recruitment which takes them away from other work streams, and by the time we have completed a round of recruitment and got them all through initial training, so many people have already left that we're back to square 1 again almost immediately.

The pressure this is putting on the rest of us to fill the void and deliver on our commitments is immense and is really taking its toll on staff morale. I've never known it to be so bad as it is right now. If the gov try and impose yet more cuts to budget and personnel on top of all this, I really don't see how we will even be able to fulfil our basic functions.

Been there, bought the T-shirt, got made redundant.

But some smart arses will be along talking about 'non-jobs', and how much easier the Public Sector have it compared to the private.

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59 minutes ago, whelk said:

Anyone hear Braverman today? Another fucking hopeless cow out of her depth. We need a revolution 

I'm busy with Iran at the moment and then I'm right on it with Brazil.  I'm deliberately leaving a window open for Russia in the spring so the earliest I can do will be around May.  I'll email a quote.

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11 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He can be pissed off as much as he wants.  There is a reason why our forces are so small and poorly equipped already.

Spending cuts on defence wont be headlining stuff.  Exercises scaled back, more ships in 'extended readiness',  more civilianising home-based jobs, cut to F35 numbers, ditch entire programmes that are in development.  Ajax will likely go (never really started).

Meh.  What difference will it make?  Our entire armed forces are capable of being wiped out in a single weekend.  Why should it matter if the spending is cut and they're gone before roast beef and yorkshire's on Sunday afternoon?  Monday morning is a bleak prospect however the money is spent.

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22 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

And 32 Conservativr MPs wanted her for their leader. Shows just how badly the Conservative party has lost its moral compass.

I can't imagine why....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/braverman-s-brush-with-the-law

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...the government's principal legal adviser had just been elected head of OUCA's counterpart, CUCA. Her ascendancy to the chairmanship though was not without incident; for Varsity quotes an undergraduate as claiming Braverman tried to buy her vote, offering to ply him with pints and CUCA membership in the society's election. The student hacks tried to front up the 'clearly uncomfortable' Braverman about such claims, with the awkward encounter beginning with her claiming the accusations were 'completely untrue' and 'I'm not ready to disclose the internal affairs of CUCA' followed by a 'long silence' ending with her asserting 'you can't prove anything.'

 

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20 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Martin Lewis addressed this the other day. 
 

Standing charges are a fixed daily rate that you pay for having an electricity and/or gas connection to cover the cost of supplying energy. Under the energy price cap, Ofgem is using standing charges to recover the costs of the huge number of energy firms that went bust last year – a total of £1 billion this year.

About £68 of the typical £1,971 a year bill under the current price cap is for supplier failures, while other costs, such as increases in fixed network costs (the cost of maintaining energy networks) and policy costs (such as green levies and the rise in the warm home discount rebate) also contributed to higher standing charges.

 

I'm assuming we should be getting that back any day now then?

There are 7.88 million households in the UK.  If each of them is to cough up £68 to cover the cost of the failed firms (although why the public should be paying for these losses is beyond me as I'm guessing that the money owed by the failed energy companies is to Centrica who have a monopoly on supplies in the UK and own British Gas), then that will give a total amount to be repaid of £535m (7.88m x £68) : more info here

Centrica's profits have increased fivefold to £1.34m this year, more than double the £535m cost of the failed businesses.  More info here

Although the £68 per household figure doesn't add up!  Take the difference between the tariffs in my previous example and times them by 365 days and I'm paying £178.85 per year more that I was.  Where is the additional £110 on top of the £68 going?  I'm assuming it's not on 'green levies' as they have been cut from £172 last year to £153 this year : info here

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There is a Commons vote this evening on a Labour proposal to introduce a formal ban on fracking. The Tory leadership have made this a three line whip confidence vote. This means that Conservative MPs who oppose fracking are being forced to vote in favour of it. Additionally, if the Government lose they should, technically, have to resign.

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45 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

No we have a U turn over the U turn on pensions. She is spinning like a top.

It’s one of those policies that neither party really want to keep as it’s going to become horrendously expensive in the coming years. Tories  put it in the manifesto because of pressure and pensioners votes, but would amend it given half a chance. This was the chance (as they could hardly fall any lower in the polls ) but they don’t  look like they’re taking it. The Labour Party would love it if the Tories broke the commitment prior to them taking office, as it’ll do a must needed but unpopular reform for them. Perhaps that’s played a part in the decision, because economically it makes sense to water it down but whoever does so will probably take a political hit. 

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16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s one of those policies that neither party really want to keep as it’s going to become horrendously expensive in the coming years. Tories  put it in the manifesto because of pressure and pensioners votes, but would amend it given half a chance. This was the chance (as they could hardly fall any lower in the polls ) but they don’t  look like they’re taking it. The Labour Party would love it if the Tories broke the commitment prior to them taking office, as it’ll do a must needed but unpopular reform for them. Perhaps that’s played a part in the decision, because economically it makes sense to water it down but whoever does so will probably take a political hit. 

Not to pensioners it wont

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