Well, it definitely won't be Suella Braverman and the rebirth of the Conservative Party

[badgerx16]

Liz Truss was "in lockstep" with Kwarteng. Now Hunt has totally reversed course, she is reported to be "in lockstep" with him.

Who is in control of the Ship of State ?

 

Edit: every part of her leadership manifesto has now been abandoned or severely curtailed. She no longer has a mandate.

Edited 17 October, 2022 by badgerx16

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Liz Truss was "in lockstep" with Kwarteng. Now Hunt has totally reversed course, she is reported to be "in lockstep" with him.

Who is in control of the Ship of State ?

 

Edit: every part of her leadership manifesto has now been abandoned or severely curtailed. She no longer has a mandate.

Yes everyone knows this now and her credibility is shot and cannot recover. Tory MPs know this but know need to rally round short term but longer they do it longer they drop down in polls.

 

[31cc]

'Lockstep'

https://youtu.be/QlZRlDxJ4t0

[whelk]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The irony of Tory voters on a radio phone-in saying Truss should be given a chance to sort out the mess she inherited.

Yeah bloody Gordon Brown. 12 years is no time to sort things out. Really think Labour don’t hammer home this key point. All of their making and whilst some global factors at play this arrogant dismissal of ‘experts’ has truly fucked them. IMF, OBR whilst not 100% accurate but blithely dismissing has caused the traders to wonder what sort of idiots are in charge.

see above for all the Brexit bs - anyone with modicum of economic understanding could predict contraction not growth. People need to wake up to these blaggers telling people what want to hear, not the depressing reality.

 

[sadoldgit]

23 hours ago, egg said:

I don't go to every fight I'm invited to SoG, and I generally focus on the post, not the poster. You don't. This morning you've responded to 2 posts and in your response had a random crack at other posters. That's unnecessary. 

Your last sentence...that's exactly what I've done this morning. 

 

As you well know Egg, these people have been having a pop at me and anyone posting against far right opinions for years. Surely I am entitled to have a go back and with all due respect, I am sure they don’t need you to stand up for them.

23 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Amazing racists like you (and you have posted as such) have the audacity to preach on here.

Says the person who has been posting against immigrants, Muslims and Johnny Foreigner in general for decades! If I have posted racist posts then they should be easy to find. Off you go then Batman, provide your evidence that I am a racist. Oh, and just remind me again, who was the poster who used a doctored picture of Gary Lineker blacked up as his avatar?

Back on topic. Hunt is saying that we need stability and that is his reason for saying that Truss should remain as PM. Surely that is the strong argument to remove her? She is clearly out of her depth, only got elected because she was prepared to say and do anything that would make the Blue Rinsers and Gammons vote for her and has filled her cabinet with those who backed her rather than those who are competent at the their jobs. The only surprise is that she imploded so quickly and didn’t even have a honeymoon period to look fondly back on. Nothing galvanises a Tory more than the threat of the humiliation of losing a safe blue seat so no doubt the WhatsApp groups have been working overtime this weekend with plots to get her out. It is not often I wish the Tories well but in this venture, for the sake of the country, I hope they get it done quickly.

[whelk]

FFS Lighthouse used to move these posts that were spats between usual suspects

[Turkish]

28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

As you well know Egg, these people have been having a pop at me and anyone posting against far right opinions for years. Surely I am entitled to have a go back and with all due respect, I am sure they don’t need you to stand up for them.

Says the person who has been posting against immigrants, Muslims and Johnny Foreigner in general for decades! If I have posted racist posts then they should be easy to find. Off you go then Batman, provide your evidence that I am a racist. Oh, and just remind me again, who was the poster who used a doctored picture of Gary Lineker blacked up as his avatar?

Back on topic. Hunt is saying that we need stability and that is his reason for saying that Truss should remain as PM. Surely that is the strong argument to remove her? She is clearly out of her depth, only got elected because she was prepared to say and do anything that would make the Blue Rinsers and Gammons vote for her and has filled her cabinet with those who backed her rather than those who are competent at the their jobs. The only surprise is that she imploded so quickly and didn’t even have a honeymoon period to look fondly back on. Nothing galvanises a Tory more than the threat of the humiliation of losing a safe blue seat so no doubt the WhatsApp groups have been working overtime this weekend with plots to get her out. It is not often I wish the Tories well but in this venture, for the sake of the country, I hope they get it done quickly.

jesus wept. You are even more dopey than i thought you were.

[AlexLaw76]

32 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

As you well know Egg, these people have been having a pop at me and anyone posting against far right opinions for years. Surely I am entitled to have a go back and with all due respect, I am sure they don’t need you to stand up for them.

Says the person who has been posting against immigrants, Muslims and Johnny Foreigner in general for decades! If I have posted racist posts then they should be easy to find. Off you go then Batman, provide your evidence that I am a racist. Oh, and just remind me again, who was the poster who used a doctored picture of Gary Lineker blacked up as his avatar?

Back on topic. Hunt is saying that we need stability and that is his reason for saying that Truss should remain as PM. Surely that is the strong argument to remove her? She is clearly out of her depth, only got elected because she was prepared to say and do anything that would make the Blue Rinsers and Gammons vote for her and has filled her cabinet with those who backed her rather than those who are competent at the their jobs. The only surprise is that she imploded so quickly and didn’t even have a honeymoon period to look fondly back on. Nothing galvanises a Tory more than the threat of the humiliation of losing a safe blue seat so no doubt the WhatsApp groups have been working overtime this weekend with plots to get her out. It is not often I wish the Tories well but in this venture, for the sake of the country, I hope they get it done quickly.

You look at brown people and assume they are immigrants / foreigners.  It is well documented on here.

Without speaking for Egg, I very much doubt he was 'standing up' for anyone!

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You look at brown people and assume they are immigrants / foreigners.  It is well documented on here.

Without speaking for Egg, I very much doubt he was 'standing up' for anyone!

He calls black people Coconuts as well. Also documented on here.

Edited 17 October, 2022 by Turkish

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He calls black people Coconuts as well. Also documented on here.

Now you know that is twisting what he said, ( as usual );

"....didn't they used to be called 'coconuts'....".

He might well have said " There used to be a TV comedy series where a black family were continually referred to as 'nig-nogs'". Stating this fact is not the same as endorsing the use of the phrase.

( I suppose I will now be called out for racism ).

 

[RedArmy]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Now you know that is twisting what he said, ( as usual );

"....didn't they used to be called 'coconuts'....".

He might well have said " There used to be a TV comedy series where a black family were continually referred to as 'nig-nogs'". Stating this fact is not the same as endorsing the use of the phrase.

( I suppose I will now be called out for racism ).

 

He did call Priti Patel an immigrant though. 

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Now you know that is twisting what he said, ( as usual );

"....didn't they used to be called 'coconuts'....".

He might well have said " There used to be a TV comedy series where a black family were continually referred to as 'nig-nogs'". Stating this fact is not the same as endorsing the use of the phrase.

( I suppose I will now be called out for racism ).

 

Who are “they”?

taken in isolation you might be right, but on the thread hed already spoken about non whites as being immigrants and something about Pritti Patel having a point with her comments. Add that to his over protesting about racism random attacks on people and his white saviour complex When you put it all together it wasn’t good viewing 

[tdmickey3]

17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Now you know that is twisting what he said, ( as usual );

"....didn't they used to be called 'coconuts'....".

He might well have said " There used to be a TV comedy series where a black family were continually referred to as 'nig-nogs'". Stating this fact is not the same as endorsing the use of the phrase.

( I suppose I will now be called out for racism ).

 

Correct its just the bully boys playing the poster, ironically this is what regularly do themselves

[whelk]

It’s quite amusing how much SOG has got in their heads. He posts and within minutes they are all over it. As said earlier just disrupts the threads. Very tiresome for others and genuinely think some could do with analysing what mental shortcoming is being triggered. Maybe they get some reassurance when they all ‘like’ each others retorts. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, RedArmy said:

He did call Priti Patel an immigrant though. 

Did I? She is certainly from an immigrant family. Since when has “immigrant” been a racist term?

In response to your post Duckie, my bad, I should have said she comes from an immigrant family. This country is full of immigrants. My family immigrated here in the 17th century. If I called her family immigrants that would not be racist would it? It seems that the only people who have a problem with the word are those who don’t want them here. Personally I don’t have a problem with immigrants or immigration. My problem with Patel is her policy of sending immigrants to Rwanda. But you know that don’t you? You are just playing at being Batman. As for the term “coconut” I was referring to the term and not calling anyone that. How does that make me  racist? Perhaps when you stop referring to women as “chicks” come back and lecture me about my use of language.

 

Edited 17 October, 2022 by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Did I? She is certainly from an immigrant family. Since when has “immigrant” been a racist term?

It is only racist when used in reference to 'people of colour' and convenient for incorrectly 'tagging' someone for saying it It is not when, for instance, describing Dominic Raab, ( father from Czechoslovakia ), or BoJo, ( born in New York, and formerly holder of dual nationality ).

Edited 17 October, 2022 by badgerx16

[Lord Duckhunter]

43 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Did I? She is certainly from an immigrant family. Since when has “immigrant” been a racist term?

You didn’t say she was from an immigrant family, you said she was an “immigrant”. Despite the fact she’s as British as you or I, you called her an “immigrant”. If I called Marcus Rashford or Diane Abbot an immigrant, I’d rightly be accused of being a racist. Nick Griffin & Tommy Robinson believe that shite, that people of colour are “immigrants “ regardless of where they’re born, but normal decent people don’t. Your use of “they” is also borderline. Most people would write “black people used to be called xxx”, not “they” used to be called. 
 

 

Edited 17 October, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Lord Duckhunter]

46 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Did I? 

Yes 

[sadoldgit]

37 minutes ago, whelk said:

It’s quite amusing how much SOG has got in their heads. He posts and within minutes they are all over it. As said earlier just disrupts the threads. Very tiresome for others and genuinely think some could do with analysing what mental shortcoming is being triggered. Maybe they get some reassurance when they all ‘like’ each others retorts. 

It is bizarre to witness grown men stalking complete strangers on an Internet forum looking to wind them up on a daily basis. It always seems to be the same people backing each other up and joining in the attacks on certain posters. I assume that they have jobs and spend large proportions of their employment trolling on the internet. Probably the kind of people Liz Truss and her colleagues were writing about in Britannia Unchained. Even more bizarre that these people who proclaim not to be racist then call out people for posting against racism (and other far right policies). On what planet does that make any sense? You can bet your life, post against any kind of right wing agenda for any length of time and you will become a target for the usual suspects.

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It is bizarre to witness grown men stalking complete strangers on an Internet forum looking to wind them up on a daily basis. It always seems to be the same people backing each other up and joining in the attacks on certain posters. I assume that they have jobs and spend large proportions of their employment trolling on the internet. Probably the kind of people Liz Truss and her colleagues were writing about in Britannia Unchained. Even more bizarre that these people who proclaim not to be racist then call out people for posting against racism (and other far right policies). On what planet does that make any sense? You can bet your life, post against any kind of right wing agenda for any length of time and you will become a target for the usual suspects.

i dont think there are many if any racist people on here, the difference is that not all us need to tell everyone we aren't racist every single frigging day trying to convience everyone and most of all ourselves but then hilariously out ourselves as being everything we claim not to be. Is much like claiming to have people on ignore then reply or reacting to their posts. Bit of a pattern of behaviour there isn't there. Anyway, yet again Soggy uses up all of his daily post allowance having a pop at other posters. 🤣

[Sheaf Saint]

Oh for crying out fucking loud... Would you lot please just do us all a massive favour and put each other on ignore instead of infesting yet another thread with your incessant childish bullshit?

[The Left Back]

52 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Oh for crying out fucking loud... Would you lot please just do us all a massive favour and put each other on ignore instead of infesting yet another thread with your incessant childish bullshit?

Completely support your request but suspect you are asking in vain. It’s the very definition of obsessive compulsion

on the thread topic, could we run a sweep as where PM Truss might be?

[revolution saint]

6 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

Completely support your request but suspect you are asking in vain. It’s the very definition of obsessive compulsion

on the thread topic, could we run a sweep as where PM Truss might be?

She's at a funeral following the untimely death of her economic plans.

[Weston Super Saint]

40 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

Completely support your request but suspect you are asking in vain. It’s the very definition of obsessive compulsion

on the thread topic, could we run a sweep as where PM Truss might be?

She was gurning and looking at her feet in the HoC this afternoon.

[buctootim]

6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

She was gurning and looking at her feet in the HoC this afternoon.

I know its just a still photo and so can be misleading - but Mordaunt looks to be concerned about her. 

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, buctootim said:

I know its just a still photo and so can be misleading - but Mordaunt looks to be concerned about her. 

Checking for razor blades.

[whelk]

Hilarious poll

 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Hilarious poll

 

That's the thing about polls, unreliable!

In that poll, every single seat will transfer to labour.  Doesn't seem to factor protest votes that would go to lib dem or green party.

[whelk]

20 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

That's the thing about polls, unreliable!

In that poll, every single seat will transfer to labour.  Doesn't seem to factor protest votes that would go to lib dem or green party.

Yes unrealistic but if they go back t9 austerity for already failing services they will be royally fucked. ‘Efficiencies’ you say! They underestimate the public at their peril.

[badgerx16]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

Yes unrealistic but if they go back t9 austerity for already failing services they will be royally fucked. ‘Efficiencies’ you say! They underestimate the public at their peril.

Most Government Departments, and all Local Authorities, have been going through austerity and trying to find "efficiency savings' for at least the last 12 years.

[whelk]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Most Government Departments, and all Local Authorities, have been going through austerity and trying to find "efficiency savings' for at least the last 12 years.

Additional Covid money estimated to be £600bn pumped into the economy hasn’t just vanished and most of it will have ended up in the very wealthy pockets. It’s as if this is untouchable when should be clawed back - it was from the treasury. The fact that these pricks think poor should accept shit services and not get a pay rise tells you everything. 
 

£30bn extra in interest payments from their ineptitude.  Could go a long way if plough into some public services. 

Edited 17 October, 2022 by whelk

[badgerx16]

22 minutes ago, whelk said:

Additional Covid money estimated to be £600bn pumped into the economy hasn’t just vanished and most of it will have ended up in the very wealthy pockets. It’s as if this is untouchable when should be clawed back - it was from the treasury. The fact that these pricks think poor should accept shit services and not get a pay rise tells you everything. 
 

£30bn extra in interest payments from their ineptitude.  Could go a long way if plough into some public services. 

My son is a tax accountant, and many of his company's client small businesses took out Covid Support loans. Quite a few are complaining when they are told that these are actually to be repaid.

[Tamesaint]

I just cannot understand this current mob's refusal to slap a windfall tax on the companies who will benefit from the rise in energy prices. Most European countries are proposing a windfall tax. The chairman of Shell seems to expect to pay a windfall tax. No. Thick Lizzy would rather cut public services. 

[badgerx16]

15 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

I just cannot understand this current mob's refusal to slap a windfall tax on the companies who will benefit from the rise in energy prices. Most European countries are proposing a windfall tax. The chairman of Shell seems to expect to pay a windfall tax. No. Thick Lizzy would rather cut public services. 

You assume that Truss is still actually in command.

[aintforever]

22 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

I just cannot understand this current mob's refusal to slap a windfall tax on the companies who will benefit from the rise in energy prices. Most European countries are proposing a windfall tax. The chairman of Shell seems to expect to pay a windfall tax. No. Thick Lizzy would rather cut public services. 

You can guarantee these clowns will make another U-turn on this. What they are doing is not popular already, once people start freezing their nuts off they will really be under pressure.

[saint1977]

1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

I just cannot understand this current mob's refusal to slap a windfall tax on the companies who will benefit from the rise in energy prices. Most European countries are proposing a windfall tax. The chairman of Shell seems to expect to pay a windfall tax. No. Thick Lizzy would rather cut public services. 

This and rejoining the single market would sort most of it, instead of cutting almost non existent public services, transport and science budgets where our next spin outs to cure serious illnesses, innovation for new high paid job growth, climate adaption through expanding the green economy with new ventures which EU Interreg/EIB used to help fund and transform quality of life come from. I thought that’s what this craziness was all about, growth?

Vote Leave even advocated staying in the single market FFS. 

Truss looked like she was on tranquillisers to me in the HoC. Gone by the end of the week. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hunt revealed the scale of cuts but then didn’t take windfall tax off the table and fly a public kite. Wouldn’t want his job right now but it’s what I’d do.

Those polls are underestimating Lib Dem support and tactical voting, I agree with WSS on this, although they won’t be protest votes. Especially not in the South West, and the opportunity to topple the likes of J R-M. In seats like his Labour shouldn’t even stand, every Lib Dem vote is needed including tactical Lab ones where they struggle to maintain a deposit, to get people like J R-M out of office. Has made a fortune from Brexit seemingly. LDs by contrast should keep standing in Tory marginals where Labour can beat the Tories as they’ll absorb Tory voters who just couldn’t vote Labour.

Tories need a series of heavy GE defeats and for the 1980s to be a historic event with most of us OAPs who can remember it before they can be permitted anywhere near power. Even then only in a coalition with L plates on. This ineptitude goes way beyond Winter of Discontent and IMF 1976. Thatcherism was effective in a particular social and economic context, and funded by North Sea Oil revenues. Now, I’d rather have a sovereign fund like Norway but at least she wasn’t funding huge tax cuts from pure thin air. Minford and Redwood was a pure nostalgia trip and millions will struggle to pay the mortgage and keep the lights on a result. Not exactly sunlight uplands is it? 

If there is anything positive in this longer-term, it’s the death of the IEA, and all of ideological hangers on. Neoconservatism’s funeral. 

Edited 17 October, 2022 by saint1977
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[Weston Super Saint]

39 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

I just cannot understand this current mob's refusal to slap a windfall tax on the companies who will benefit from the rise in energy prices. Most European countries are proposing a windfall tax. The chairman of Shell seems to expect to pay a windfall tax. No. Thick Lizzy would rather cut public services. 

I had a quick look at this year's bills compared to 2019's bills.  Can't remember the exact figures but obviously the cost of gas per unit has gone up, same with electricity.  The biggest surprise is the daily charge which is closing in on 3 times the price it was.  Not sure about you, but I've not had new gas pipes or electricity cables installed since the house was built, so can't really see how this is justified (apart from, they need to increase one of the costs to keep up with the rising cost cap!).  Not only that, I have a dual tariff with British Gas.  They claim that 75% of electricity is from renewable sources.  If that's the case, why have they increased the charge per unit so much - I'd understand if the electricity was produced by gas and gas alone.....

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

  Not only that, I have a dual tariff with British Gas.  They claim that 75% of electricity is from renewable sources.  If that's the case, why have they increased the charge per unit so much - I'd understand if the electricity was produced by gas and gas alone.....

The price per unit for electricity is pegged against the highest generating cost, ie gas, regardles of the actual source. There are plans being discussed to break this link.

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The price per unit for electricity is pegged against the highest generating cost, ie gas, regardles of the actual source. There are plans being discussed to break this link.

Yep, heard that the other day.  I'll bet they still manage to get my bill up to the cost cap though....

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Yep, heard that the other day.  I'll bet they still manage to get my bill up to the cost cap though....

The 'cost cap' is actually a price cap. They have set a limit on the amount that can be charged per unit, so it is up to you to reduce the amount you use if you want to come in under the "Typical Household"'s £2500.

Your supplier is supposed to provide you with an estimated cost projection.

[SotonianWill]

3 hours ago, buctootim said:

I know its just a still photo and so can be misleading - but Mordaunt looks to be concerned about her. 

Penny is so much better than Truss as shown today… probably concerned that Liz is leading the tory party into losing most their seats. 

[badgerx16]

Truss says she will lead the Tories into the next election ;- GE before Christmas then.

[skintsaint]

7 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

My son is a tax accountant, and many of his company's client small businesses took out Covid Support loans. Quite a few are complaining when they are told that these are actually to be repaid.

I mean, its called a loan. How stupid are these small business owners?

[Weston Super Saint]

10 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The 'cost cap' is actually a price cap. They have set a limit on the amount that can be charged per unit, so it is up to you to reduce the amount you use if you want to come in under the "Typical Household"'s £2500.

Your supplier is supposed to provide you with an estimated cost projection.

The 'cost cap' also includes the'daily standing charge' given that it covers the entire bill and not just the usage of fuel element.

I have zero control over the increases added to the daily standing charge no matter how much energy usage is managed.  I also see zero benefit when the daily standing charge is increased.

To illustrate, in 2021 I paid a daily charge for electricity of 18.4p per day and gas at 13.7p.  Right now, my tariff is 52.6p for electricity and 28.5p for gas.

What benefit do I receive for the electricity supply charge that has almost tripled and the gas that has more than doubled - I doubt centrica or WPD have incurred costs in line with these rises for the delivery....

Edited 18 October, 2022 by Weston Super Saint

[Sheaf Saint]

8 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Truss says she will lead the Tories into the next election 

I sincerely hope she does...

Edited 18 October, 2022 by Sheaf Saint

[whelk]

54 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I sincerely hope she does...

Whilst amusing to watch these idiots at work they have caused untold damage to economy and life of millions. 
Worse than we were before and now average person is far more fucked from mortgage, tax burden and even worse public services down the line. Fucking fuming how our constitution has allowed an experiment from morons taking charge to wreck economy. 

Edited 18 October, 2022 by whelk

[egg]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I sincerely hope she does...

No laughing matter is this, and  I'm not sure why anyone would want to witness another 2 yrs+ of Truss. She's fucked our economy enough in a month. 

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, egg said:

No laughing matter is this, and  I'm not sure why anyone would want to witness another 2 yrs+ of Truss. She's fucked our economy enough in a month. 

Don`t think anyone seriously wants Truss to stay but just want the best chance that this utter shower of dishonest shit are voted out of office

Edited 18 October, 2022 by tdmickey3

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Whilst amusing to watch these idiots at work they have caused untold damage to economy and life of millions. 
Worse than we were before and now average person is far more fucked from mortgage, tax burden and even worse public services down the line. Fucking fuming how our constitution has allowed an experiment from morons taking charge to wreck economy. 

1 hour ago, egg said:

No laughing matter is this, and  I'm not sure why anyone would want to witness another 2 yrs+ of Truss. She's fucked our economy enough in a month. 

11 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Don`t think anyone seriously wants Truss to stay but just want the best chance that this utter shower of dishonest shit are votes out of office

Ok, just to clarify - yes of course it's no laughing matter and millions of people, myself included, are going to suffer more hardship as a result of her total failure to anticipate the effect of her deranged plans. As a public sector employee, I took no pleasure in hearing JH state in no uncertain terms yesterday that there will be more budget cuts, because Christ knows we've suffered enough of them already in my organisation. 

So of course I don't want to see her given another 2 years (Well, year and a half in reality, because the 2019 election was only held in December for the purposes of Brexit - the 2024 one won't be) to wreak more carnage on society and the economy. But let's face it, she hasn't got a hope in hell of lasting that long. However, if there were to be a GE called tomorrow, I would love for Truss to stick it out and lead her band of criminally corrupt, self-interested shysters into political oblivion. Watching her get utterly destroyed in TV debates (if she could find the courage to turn up for them) would be extremely gratifying. 

[rallyboy]

Truss only knows about six words - and nothing about Maths.

How on earth did we end up here?