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saint1977

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No surprises there. There won’t be a GE but there should be. There cannot be two successive unelected PMs. Best thing the MPs can do for the country and their own party is vote of no confidence. It’ll be a 1997 defeat but they need a decade at least to rebuild post Brexit and sort out who they actually are. It won’t happen because the MPs are only interested in their own jobs and someone, probably Sunak, will want the PM role even as a 2 year interim. At least the finances will be in a better state for Starmer.

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revolution saint

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Chris Philp gone from Treasury as well now.  What a mess.  Will be comical to see how Truss spins this - does she really believe anyone is going to buy the line that the mini budget was entirely down to the Chancellor?  Knowing her she'll probably blame Putin/BoE/Anti-Growth coalition.

We desperately need a General Election - even the Tories must recognise they're completely incompetent, undisciplined and unable to govern their own party let alone the country.

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18 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

If you measured this lot by showers of shit, Boris` team was pissing down but Truss` crew are a a flood of biblical proportions

It does seem incredible that the Tories have managed to make things even worse. Beyond bizarre in fact. She has done the right thing in sacking the Chancellor but if she had a smidgen of self awareness she would also walk. To be even more incompetent and clueless than the person she has replaced takes some doing. We need a General Election and we need it now.

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18 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It does seem incredible that the Tories have managed to make things even worse. Beyond bizarre in fact. She has done the right thing in sacking the Chancellor but if she had a smidgen of self awareness she would also walk. To be even more incompetent and clueless than the person she has replaced takes some doing. We need a General Election and we need it now.

No government is going to put their own heads on the block voluntarily. The Tories know they have to play for time and will never put themselves in the position where they would be threatened. 

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CB Fry

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Forcing newscasters up and down the country to say the words "Kwasi Kwarteng" and "Jeremy Hunt" in the same sentence over and over again for the next couple of days is a nice little move by Truss.

#dontsaycunt

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Lord Duckhunter

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56 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Armando Ianucci is considering suing the Government for plagiarism.

 

Unbelievable isn’t it? 
 

Who on earth is advising her, do they really believe it ends with appointing Hunt & reversing her whole economic plan. Once the markets gave her the thumbs down, her only options were spending cuts or resignation. If she thinks chucking KK under the bus means she can tough it out, she’s deluded. 

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The Kraken

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50 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Oh ffs! Is there nothing she can get right? Her letter to Kwarteng was signed by......Kwarteng 

Liz Truss

Far be it for me to stick up for them, but unfortunately that’s not actually an error. The Tories, for some reason, put the name of the addressee at the bottom of all correspondences. It’s Truss’ signature.

There’s plenty of other examples of it, eg:

 

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The Kraken

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14 minutes ago, whelk said:

Anyone starting to feel sorry for her?

No, not in the slightest.

I do find watching her on tv to be very uncomfortable though. She’s so obviously massively out of her depth. Unfortunately she’s also hugely arrogant and self-entitled, so it’ll take more mockeries like today to hit home that she should just GTFO.

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It was obvious that she would be shambolic and there would be laughs aplenty, but she's finding new levels of stupidity.

What the fuck were the membership thinking?

That press conference today was insane.

She literally repeated the same hollow slogans for every question - and none of it was relevant to what was asked.

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7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

No, not in the slightest.

I do find watching her on tv to be very uncomfortable though. She’s so obviously massively out of her depth. Unfortunately she’s also hugely arrogant and self-entitled, so it’ll take more mockeries like today to hit home that she should just GTFO.

Watching her speak is like going to a school assembly and watching the kids do public speaking 

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1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

is it too late to choose chaos with Ed Miliband?

This country has been fucked up ever since the Brexit vote. In recent years so many lies have been fed to the British public and it has all been gobbled up.

This is just the latest example:

Farage wanted Brexit. He said that Kwarteng's Budget was the best since 1986. WRONG on both counts.

The Daily Mail wanted Brexit. They applauded Kwarteng's  Budget and claimed it was the way forward. WRONG on both counts.

These people / newspapers  (let's not even talk about the Express or the Sun) tell lies  and people follow them. Is it now surprising that this country is completely fucked up? 

Even Duckie seems to be disowning this lot. You reap what you sow and this country is about to reap a huge pile of shit. 

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You almost expect Truss to burst into tears in these question sessions, sobbing "stop picking on me" before sloping off. The last 3 PM's have been progressively worse, like the evolution of man chart in reverse, I would put Truss at junior minister level at best, we could all see it before she got elected. I just hope for this country's sake that Starmer can get his s**t together, and not just get in because the Tories have imploded and find himself floundering. 

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Lord Duckhunter

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1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

 

Even Duckie seems to be disowning this lot. You reap what you sow and this country is about to reap a huge pile of shit. 

I’ve  disowned it since day one (not that I’ve ever “owned” them, I’m not a Tory).  Whilst I agree with tax cuts, abolishing the 45p rate & not increasing business taxes, you can not increase borrowing to do so. Basically they diagnosed the problem, but their remedy is half cocked.

It’s quite remarkable how many “free marketers” don’t know how the markets work. They’d have punished The Uk if we’d voted for Jezza and they are punishing us for Truss. There isn’t a magic money tree, regardless of whether you’re using it to “invest” in public services, pay crusties to do fuck all, or using it to bring in much needed tax reform. Our finances aren’t in the place where tax cuts are possible whilst maintaining market confidence. They’re just not prepared to make the spending cuts necessary to allow tax cuts. The years of cheap money and easy borrowing has infected the common sense of our political class, they seem to believe that borrowing more money is the answer to every single problem.

You're right, we are going to reap a huge pile of shit. As nasty as it sounds, you won’t get rid of inflation without making people poorer. Somebody needs to take unpopular decisions and I’m yet to see anyone willing to do so. 

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48 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

.... you won’t get rid of inflation without making people poorer. Somebody needs to take unpopular decisions and I’m yet to see anyone willing to do so. 

Imagine the response at the polling booths if that was a manifesto promise.

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When she was setting out her plans as part of her leadership campaign, she said that raising Corporation Tax didn't bring in any extra cash as it stifled growth. 

Now she's decided to raise it does that mean that she's joined the "anti-growth coalition"?

I know that she changes her mind more often than she changes her knickers, bur she now appears for and against something at the same time (quantum politics).

 

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Lord Duckhunter

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8 hours ago, ecuk268 said:

When she was setting out her plans as part of her leadership campaign, she said that raising Corporation Tax didn't bring in any extra cash as it stifled growth. 

Now she's decided to raise it does that mean that she's joined the "anti-growth coalition"?

I know that she changes her mind more often than she changes her knickers, bur she now appears for and against something at the same time (quantum politics).

 

Hunt called for it to be dropped to 15% during his short lived leadership campaign. 

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CB Fry

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53 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Hunt called for it to be dropped to 15% during his short lived leadership campaign. 

Lucky for him he's watched a different chancellor try and smash something like that through in the middle of a war/fuel/cost of living crisis.

British people don't get a flying fuck about corporation tax if their heating bill is two and a half grand and they've seen their mortgages go up by £300 a month thanks to uber right wing ideology. Oh, and their disposable income taking a hit because of significant inflation.

Everyone's absolutely desperate for the likes of Mike Ashley to get massive handouts and for public service cuts to pay for it. Honest they are.

That Mark Littlewood, Patrick Minford IEA  wet dream is pretty much dead for a generation now.

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18 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

There is no way in the World that site will re-open with "local consent".

Nor will any others. Unsurprisingly, she and the the rest of her party have failed to read the public mood over the issue. When campaign groups like Frack Off get involved to educate local residents of the massive environmental damage it causes (which goes way beyond just the earthquake risk) there is no hope of securing genuine local consent. The only way it might happen will be by bribing local councillors and planning authorities to vote in favour, but even then the campaign groups will be able to get any plans held up long enough for this shambolic shower of a government to be voted out and for a new Labour / coalition government to reinstate the moratorium anyway.

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