Tyler Dibling

[OldNick]

16 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I think that the problems with TD are many. Firstly, he is still a young lad. with all that this brings. I was told by somebody (I have no idea if it is actually true) that he suffers with a degree of Autism, which is why he didn't stay long at Chelsea. Add to this that the whole club/team has been a monumental sh1t-show of the highest order this season, it is perhaps understandable that his developement hasn't been as smooth as it might have been.

All fair and I dont want to knock him too much but when we relly needed a spark it just wasnt there

[miserableoldgit]

2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

All fair and I dont want to knock him too much but when we relly needed a spark it just wasnt there

Indeed. I thought intially that he was really going to explode on the scene this season.....but.....when you look at the lack of effort and commitment in most of the squad this year, it must be very difficult for a young lad like TD to develop smoothly.

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

All fair and I dont want to knock him too much but when we relly needed a spark it just wasnt there

"All fair and I don't want to knock him too much but when we really needed a spark I looked at the kid in the team who is playing his first full season in professional football, has lost a manager he described as a second dad and has a team around him that is not only crumbling at every moment it's asked to step up but is predominantly asked to play a kick and run style that isn't totally suited to him and then I got annoyed when he didn't run with the ball past fully grown athletes like I expected him to"

[hypochondriac]

I genuinely think a season in the championship would be beneficial for him. If however we are offered 50 million + I think he would be too valuable for us to turn that down. 

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

"All fair and I don't want to knock him too much but when we really needed a spark I looked at the kid in the team who is playing his first full season in professional football, has lost a manager he described as a second dad and has a team around him that is not only crumbling at every moment it's asked to step up but is predominantly asked to play a kick and run style that isn't totally suited to him and then I got annoyed when he didn't run with the ball past fully grown athletes like I expected him to"

To much of the pathetic culture still causing issues

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

I can't see a team realistically willing to take the risk andsplurge £50m+ on a kid who was given the world at Chelsea and couldn't settle there. It was well documented at the time.

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

I can't see a team realistically willing to take the risk andsplurge £50m+ on a kid who was given the world at Chelsea and couldn't settle there. It was well documented at the time.

Some of the best players in PL history haven't settled well at Chelsea to be fair.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Some of the best players in PL history haven't settled well at Chelsea to be fair.

Tyler Dibling isn't even in the top 1,000 "best players in PL history".

He's a kid who has scored 2 goals for Southampton.

[Fabrice29]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I genuinely think a season in the championship would be beneficial for him. If however we are offered 50 million + I think he would be too valuable for us to turn that down. 

I think the value of him getting us back to the Prem would exceed that value and weirdly the longer Dibling and his team don't sign a new contract then better for the club because his salary outlay wont be that big so Saints will be weighing up holding out and letting him run down that contract but benefitting financially from his performances rather than a fee. Then it becomes a test of Dibling and his team and how much they want a pay rise knowing to get it they'll have to add longer to his contract. Think the club hold a lot of cards here if they frame it like that but the risk is starting next season badly and then having to cash grab on Dibling. 

4 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

Tyler Dibling isn't even in the top 1,000 "best players in PL history".

He's a kid who has scored 2 goals for Southampton.

Obviously, but the point is, I don't think clubs will care too much that he didn't settle at Chelsea considering both City and Liverpool have benefited significantly from signing players that didn't settle at Chelsea.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think the value of him getting us back to the Prem would exceed that value and weirdly the longer Dibling and his team don't sign a new contract then better for the club because his salary outlay wont be that big so Saints will be weighing up holding out and letting him run down that contract but benefitting financially from his performances rather than a fee. Then it becomes a test of Dibling and his team and how much they want a pay rise knowing to get it they'll have to add longer to his contract. Think the club hold a lot of cards here if they frame it like that but the risk is starting next season badly and then having to cash grab on Dibling. 

Obviously, but the point is, I don't think clubs will care too much that he didn't settle at Chelsea considering both City and Liverpool have benefited significantly from signing players that didn't settle at Chelsea.

Yes but they were all proven players.

Tyler isn't. Not even close.

[OldNick]

25 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

"All fair and I don't want to knock him too much but when we really needed a spark I looked at the kid in the team who is playing his first full season in professional football, has lost a manager he described as a second dad and has a team around him that is not only crumbling at every moment it's asked to step up but is predominantly asked to play a kick and run style that isn't totally suited to him and then I got annoyed when he didn't run with the ball past fully grown athletes like I expected him to"

Sorry, but should I hold his coat and sachel as he stands around while the rest of the team are busting a gut. He is a young developing player who was asked to come on and play for 10 minutes and give his all. He will of course swan off and earn his fortune elsewhere (rightfully so) but its not too much to ask for him to actually show care to the club fans and teammates. As for the kick and run style you mention, I believe that is unjustified as we played some good pass and move football, TP had gone off and so it wasnt expected of him to hoof it up.

I know you are a disciple of RM and so any player who says that they loved him will have a special place in your heart but TD has to adapt to a new manager and will need to do so at any club he moves to. One thing is for sure he wont get as much slack from big clubs fans as he gets here. We are sympathetic to him, but asking for him to give us something when all hands are at the pump is not too much to ask.

[East Kent Saint]

I get the feeling he is a bit like Matt , doesn't want to get confused with too much info , just go out and play !

As to his future he may benefit from a couple of more years at Saints before the "big deal" that finances his career.

[Fabrice29]

12 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Sorry, but should I hold his coat and sachel as he stands around while the rest of the team are busting a gut. He is a young developing player who was asked to come on and play for 10 minutes and give his all. He will of course swan off and earn his fortune elsewhere (rightfully so) but its not too much to ask for him to actually show care to the club fans and teammates. As for the kick and run style you mention, I believe that is unjustified as we played some good pass and move football, TP had gone off and so it wasnt expected of him to hoof it up.

I know you are a disciple of RM and so any player who says that they loved him will have a special place in your heart but TD has to adapt to a new manager and will need to do so at any club he moves to. One thing is for sure he wont get as much slack from big clubs fans as he gets here. We are sympathetic to him, but asking for him to give us something when all hands are at the pump is not too much to ask.

Yeah yeah yeah, all those busting a gut and giving us something when all hands are at the pump actually failed to pick up the striker in the box again but lets blame the kid who didn't run past everyone like you wanted him too.

I think you're angry at the wrong person pal.

[Gingeletiss]

We do love a good ‘dig’ at our young players on here. He’s a nipper ffs.

[hypochondriac]

42 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think the value of him getting us back to the Prem would exceed that value and weirdly the longer Dibling and his team don't sign a new contract then better for the club because his salary outlay wont be that big so Saints will be weighing up holding out and letting him run down that contract but benefitting financially from his performances rather than a fee. Then it becomes a test of Dibling and his team and how much they want a pay rise knowing to get it they'll have to add longer to his contract. Think the club hold a lot of cards here if they frame it like that but the risk is starting next season badly and then having to cash grab on Dibling. 

Obviously, but the point is, I don't think clubs will care too much that he didn't settle at Chelsea considering both City and Liverpool have benefited significantly from signing players that didn't settle at Chelsea.

I'd love him to stay but if he goes that isn't going to prevent us from getting promoted. 

[Fabrice29]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I'd love him to stay but if he goes that isn't going to prevent us from getting promoted. 

Prevent maybe not but he would really help. 

5 minutes ago, Gingeletiss said:

We do love a good ‘dig’ at our young players on here. He’s a nipper ffs.

Exactly this. There’s people in yesterday’s team who are about to have a 2nd relegation with Southampton on their CV. Some consistently played every week of those two relegations, some considered not good enough on one or both occasions, some fell out with people during those relegations leading to them leaving and some were drafted in specifically to help us get out of relegation trouble who haven’t done so and still continue to not do so and continue to come up short of the required quality…but is there a 19yr old kid whose running style or body language I don’t like? Did he fail to do exceptional things against established PL players in the 15 minutes he was asked to play yesterday!? Yes!? Pile in on him instead and make sure everyone else is noted down as ‘busting a gut’..whatever that means. 

[Whitey Grandad]

36 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Prevent maybe not but he would really help. 

Exactly this. There’s people in yesterday’s team who are about to have a 2nd relegation with Southampton on their CV. Some consistently played every week of those two relegations, some considered not good enough on one or both occasions, some fell out with people during those relegations leading to them leaving and some were drafted in specifically to help us get out of relegation trouble who haven’t done so and still continue to not do so and continue to come up short of the required quality…but is there a 19yr old kid whose running style or body language I don’t like? Did he fail to do exceptional things against established PL players in the 15 minutes he was asked to play yesterday!? Yes!? Pile in on him instead and make sure everyone else is noted down as ‘busting a gut’..whatever that means. 

I wouldn’t have expected ‘exceptional things’ yesterday but basic competency would have been nice. Things like holding the ball up, providing an outlet, occupying attackers.

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah yeah yeah, all those busting a gut and giving us something when all hands are at the pump actually failed to pick up the striker in the box again but lets blame the kid who didn't run past everyone like you wanted him too.

I think you're angry at the wrong person pal.

Im not angry with him, but when called upon I would expect a better attitude. He may not be up to it, or as it seems in your world he hasnt got his 2nd daddy on the touchline and so gives him a valid excuse not to give effort.

I totally agree that he was not the reason we lost the goal THB has to take a major slice of that. I havent seen the goal again apart from a snippet, but he ran out to the ball rather than get back to his place in defence. 

[It's There]

TD is , perhaps, out of form, etc. Cut the guy some slack. It's his first season in the first team and PL with a terrible team aroundhim, badly managed arguably. he will return to greater heights... but let's be real about his ability and progress. Personally, I'd be happy with him in the Championship developing and learning. He can play plenty, and have time on bench etc when games come thick and fast.

Edited April 3 by It's There
spellings

[Fabrice29]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I wouldn’t have expected ‘exceptional things’ yesterday but basic competency would have been nice. Things like holding the ball up, providing an outlet, occupying attackers.

 

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Im not angry with him, but when called upon I would expect a better attitude. He may not be up to it, or as it seems in your world he hasnt got his 2nd daddy on the touchline and so gives him a valid excuse not to give effort.

I totally agree that he was not the reason we lost the goal THB has to take a major slice of that. I havent seen the goal again apart from a snippet, but he ran out to the ball rather than get back to his place in defence. 

No, what I’m saying is the kid is 19 and there’s probably some mitigating factors as to why he should be spared wild assumptions about effort and attitude. You don’t know him or his attitude and there’s not enough body of work to have expectations for him. The only expectation anyone should have for him is the expectation they’d have for any 19 year old in any normal situation, inconsistency and learning.
 

 

Edited April 3 by Fabrice29

[Saint Fan CaM]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

No, what I’m saying is the kid is 19 and there’s probably some mitigating factors as to why he should be spared wild assumptions about effort and attitude. You don’t know him or his attitude and there’s not enough body of work to have expectations for him. The only expectation anyone should have for him is the expectation they’d have for any 19 year old in any normal situation, inconsistency and learning.
 

 

The thing is he’s been built up to be some super kid with £100m price tag and the Manager plays him presumably expecting him to live up to the hype and maintain his early form. It’s not his fault that he’s been given that price tag and not his fault he’s picked for the team when he’s performing so poorly - that’s on the Manager. But there’s definitely something else going on with the lad - he’s a shadow of his early dynamic self.

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Saint Fan CaM said:

The thing is he’s been built up to be some super kid with £100m price tag and the Manager plays him presumably expecting him to live up to the hype and maintain his early form. It’s not his fault that he’s been given that price tag and not his fault he’s picked for the team when he’s performing so poorly - that’s on the Manager. But there’s definitely something else going on with the lad - he’s a shadow of his early dynamic self.

He’s slightly out of form but I’d say a combination of a) being in a team that is piss poor b) a team that is no longer set up to get the best out of him c) being asked to play a disciplined role in a structure that he probably hasn’t played in all his youth career d) coming up against clubs that know him and his game more and more than they did and e) playing against established PL players for the first time are all reasons why he might be ‘a shadow of his earlier self’ personally. 

I’ve said on here before under Martin he was in a side which for all its faults was set up to get Dibling and Fernandes on the half turn in the middle of the pitch. We’re completely different now and they are both asked to play more disciplined roles and the team is going very direct to the lad up top. I’d be surprised if Dibling has played this way before but it’s no surprise that the more rounded, more experienced and more flexible one of the two is adapting better and more consistently and lasting longer. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

I get the feeling he is a bit like Matt , doesn't want to get confused with too much info , just go out and play !

As to his future he may benefit from a couple of more years at Saints before the "big deal" that finances his career.

Shame he can’t play like milt whilst Matt was pure end product and could score from anywhere literally all I’ve seen from dibling is some nice dribbling and it’s not like he’s boufal good with that . He’s done pretty much nothing since Martin left imo all three of sully fernandes and pauk deserve their  places more ..

[Badger]

43 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Shame he can’t play like milt whilst Matt was pure end product and could score from anywhere literally all I’ve seen from dibling is some nice dribbling and it’s not like he’s boufal good with that . He’s done pretty much nothing since Martin left imo all three of sully fernandes and pauk deserve their  places more ..

He's still 18 isn't he ? MLT was in his 20's when he was at his best, providing the end product. 

MLT was also playing in a better team when he started out with someone like Case to guide him. Bit unfair to make the comparison although it's inevitable that supporters will, in the same way as in his early days MLT was compared with Channon from time to time.

Edited April 3 by Badger

[hypochondriac]

5 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Prevent maybe not but he would really help. 

Exactly this. There’s people in yesterday’s team who are about to have a 2nd relegation with Southampton on their CV. Some consistently played every week of those two relegations, some considered not good enough on one or both occasions, some fell out with people during those relegations leading to them leaving and some were drafted in specifically to help us get out of relegation trouble who haven’t done so and still continue to not do so and continue to come up short of the required quality…but is there a 19yr old kid whose running style or body language I don’t like? Did he fail to do exceptional things against established PL players in the 15 minutes he was asked to play yesterday!? Yes!? Pile in on him instead and make sure everyone else is noted down as ‘busting a gut’..whatever that means. 

Of course he would help but jwp, Lavia and Tino would have helped last time and all of them were sold and ultimately it didn't stop us from getting promoted. 

[Fabrice29]

50 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Shame he can’t play like milt whilst Matt was pure end product and could score from anywhere literally all I’ve seen from dibling is some nice dribbling and it’s not like he’s boufal good with that . He’s done pretty much nothing since Martin left imo all three of sully fernandes and pauk deserve their  places more ..

Dibling has 4 goals and 2 assists in all competitions.

"Sully" has 2 goals 1 assist.

Pauk 4 goals 1 assist

Fernandes 2 goals 5 assists.

The 19yr old isn't MLT though so he's pretty much nothing whilst two players we spent big on 2 years ago to keep us up and now face their 2nd relegation with Saints deserve their place more. Perfectly normal stuff.

[IFHP]

Very poor when he came on last night, he didn’t look like he wanted to be out there playing. Dare I say that he looked like he was sulking for not getting picked from the start. 

After a promising start to the season he’s been a major disappointment, not sure if his attitude or he’s simple not as good as I 1st thought. 
 

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Dibling has 4 goals and 2 assists in all competitions.

"Sully" has 2 goals 1 assist.

Pauk 4 goals 1 assist

Fernandes 2 goals 5 assists.

The 19yr old isn't MLT though so he's pretty much nothing whilst two players we spent big on 2 years ago to keep us up and now face their 2nd relegation with Saints deserve their place more. Perfectly normal stuff.

Pointless comparison sully and Paul didn’t get a look in under Martin . Dibling has had almost as many starts as sully and Paul combined yet still hasn’t much better stats in the pl . also all goals have been close range tap ins .. really he hasn’t done much bar a few mazy dribbles he just gets away with it more as he’s a academy kid 

let me put  it another way if we had shelled out 50-100 million on him people would be criticising the shit out of him with the output compared to value 

Edited April 3 by pimpin4rizeal

[madge]

When it was obvious he was struggling last night he should have gone up front with archer moving to the right. He was a liability and think archer would have provided a little more energy. But he’s young and reckon if he stays he’ll increase his value playing well in the championship like grealish did.

[Fabrice29]

33 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Pointless comparison sully and Paul didn’t get a look in under Martin . Dibling has had almost as many starts as sully and Paul combined yet still hasn’t much better stats in the pl . also all goals have been close range tap ins .. really he hasn’t done much bar a few mazy dribbles he just gets away with it more as he’s a academy kid 

let me put  it another way if we had shelled out 50-100 million on him people would be criticising the shit out of him with the output compared to value 

Good luck trying to convince anyone sane that Onuachu and Sulemana bring more value than Dibling fella. You obviously prefer your few mazy dribbles and tap ins to cost around 40 million euros combined.

Edited April 3 by Fabrice29

[pimpin4rizeal]

32 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Good luck trying to convince anyone sane that Onuachu and Sulemana bring more value than Dibling fella. You obviously prefer your few mazy dribbles and tap ins to cost around 40 million euros combined.

I don’t really care what they cost as it’s not my money .. same as I won’t get the windfall when we mug some team off for Tyler dibling . I don’t think it’s even a debate that Paul and sully have been better then dibling since juric came in . You tried to pad diblings stats by giving all competitions so he got his two goals but sulemana was head and shoulders motm that day also 

lastly I have more time for both as they might actually still be Southampton players next season and play a big part whilst your boy swans off to warm the bench with utd or Newcastle or whoever 

Edited April 3 by pimpin4rizeal

[Fabrice29]

43 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I don’t really care what they cost as it’s not my money .. same as I won’t get the windfall when we mug some team off for Tyler dibling . I don’t think it’s even a debate that Paul and sully have been better then dibling since juric came in . You tried to pad diblings stats by giving all competitions so he got his two goals but sulemana was head and shoulders motm that day also 

lastly I have more time for both as they might actually still be Southampton players next season and play a big part whilst your boy swans off to warm the bench with utd or Newcastle or whoever 

Yeah man, you keep dreaming of "your boys" finally playing a big part in something for us that isn't a relegation when they enter their fourth season here but write off a 19year old lad in his first because he isn't MLT. Good stuff. 

[Oisin]

10 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I don’t really care what they cost as it’s not my money .. same as I won’t get the windfall when we mug some team off for Tyler dibling . I don’t think it’s even a debate that Paul and sully have been better then dibling since juric came in . You tried to pad diblings stats by giving all competitions so he got his two goals but sulemana was head and shoulders motm that day also 

lastly I have more time for both as they might actually still be Southampton players next season and play a big part whilst your boy swans off to warm the bench with utd or Newcastle or whoever 

Did you see that video from Stamford Bridge? 
And you have more time for Sully than Dibling?

Wow.

 

This whole thread seems very strange to me; lots of anger at a kid being less productive at the end of his first full season in football than at the start. 
Theres dozens of things to be angry about with saints this season - Diblings performance and attitude is pretty much at the bottom of the list. Not having a tactical set up to get the best out of him and Fernandes, our only 2 decent attacking footballers (despite only being kids) is far more worthy of criticism than their performances.

As for attitude … the only 2 players busting a gut to get back v Chelsea? Yep, those same 2.

He’s technically excellent, has a top attitude, has lots still to learn and yes, probably needs a manager to put their arm around him right now. I know that last fact will cause derision in some fans, especially given how much footballers earn, but it’s still true and he’s still just a kid. If we nurture him there is a 100 million player in there. 
Slag him off, undermine his confidence and pick on him versus 20+ other useless losers in the squad more worthy of your ire and he’ll continue to underperform, leave for nothing, and become someone else’s 100 million player.

 

[wild-saint]

47 minutes ago, Oisin said:

Did you see that video from Stamford Bridge? 
And you have more time for Sully than Dibling?

Wow.

 

This whole thread seems very strange to me; lots of anger at a kid being less productive at the end of his first full season in football than at the start. 
Theres dozens of things to be angry about with saints this season - Diblings performance and attitude is pretty much at the bottom of the list. Not having a tactical set up to get the best out of him and Fernandes, our only 2 decent attacking footballers (despite only being kids) is far more worthy of criticism than their performances.

As for attitude … the only 2 players busting a gut to get back v Chelsea? Yep, those same 2.

He’s technically excellent, has a top attitude, has lots still to learn and yes, probably needs a manager to put their arm around him right now. I know that last fact will cause derision in some fans, especially given how much footballers earn, but it’s still true and he’s still just a kid. If we nurture him there is a 100 million player in there. 
Slag him off, undermine his confidence and pick on him versus 20+ other useless losers in the squad more worthy of your ire and he’ll continue to underperform, leave for nothing, and become someone else’s 100 million player.

 

Totally agree with this. Great start and bags of potential was always going to fade. Add to the fact he is in a team that is probably the worst premier league team in history and its no surprise he looks lost. Of all of RM downfalls his man management style clearly works with some players particularly this lad.  I wouldn't be paying £50m right now but they wont have to. 

[spyinthesky]

I am in two minds re Tyler.
He is obviously a talent but needs to learn more about his performance against the ball which is an important ingredient for a modern player.
From the club's perspective if they can get a big transfer fee plus a future sell on deal, hopefully this will help finances.
All that said, I understand that Tyler has recently bought a house not too far from Staplewood so perhaps that provides an indication that he may be with us next season.

[Willo of Whiteley]

I think he’ll still be around next season. It would be one hell of a punt to fork out stupid money on someone that has semi-performed this season.

He’s been ok but he needs to thrive in a team that is performing.

[Patrick Bateman]

i think he'll be here next season, got a lot of learning to do, why not do it here?

[benjii]

Sale and loan back? 

The important thing, if he is going to be here, is to play him as a wide right forward. Not a weird false striker or inside right. 4231 innit.

[Saint86]

6 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

i think he'll be here next season, got a lot of learning to do, why not do it here?

If he doesn't sign a new contract the club will pretty much have to sell this summer to maximise value. Similarly there isn't much point developing him for a year only for him to leave in the cheap next summer.

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

If he doesn't sign a new contract the club will pretty much have to sell this summer to maximise value. Similarly there isn't much point developing him for a year only for him to leave in the cheap next summer.

Agree. He either signs a new deal (unlikely) or is sold in this window. We've let players contracts run down far too often recently.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

i think he'll be here next season, got a lot of learning to do, why not do it here?

Learning by playing or learning by watching?

[HKsaint]

Dibling is just a kid. We wouldn’t have lost if he had not come out. So frustrating.