Tyler Dibling

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Badger said:

Can that be possible, for the agent to obstruct it if he wants to stay at Saints. Of course it isn’t in the agents interest for him to remain here, and understandably he’ll be researching other options, but if TD wants to stay that should be the end of it.

On the other hand RM’s summary of contract talks may be as reliable as his injury updates on Ross Stewart. 

Traders gotta trade. Without transfers their income is reduced. 

[Andrew Watson]

Football agents by and large are only interested in lining their own pockets, their fees and the ridiculous wages in the top division really do make a very sick example of football. A very average premier league footballer is a multi millionaire by his mid twenties if they are careful,money has ruined top sport, Saudi Arabia getting the world cup in 10 years unopposed is another total disgrace.

[Badger]

12 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

Football agents by and large are only interested in lining their own pockets, their fees and the ridiculous wages in the top division really do make a very sick example of football. A very average premier league footballer is a multi millionaire by his mid twenties if they are careful,money has ruined top sport, Saudi Arabia getting the world cup in 10 years unopposed is another total disgrace.

We can condemn agents all we like ( and most would agree). But surely if the player as client says I want to stay at Saints (or any other club) then that’s the end of the matter and his agent shouldn’t be hawking him around.

They will of course be saying look the best I can get there is £x, and a move to wherever is £y, but the focus should be the deal with the preferred club.

Seems tail trying to wag the dog. Players should have the gumption to tell the agent to fuck off if they’re not listening. 
 

(Totally agree with you about the WC). 

 

[BarberSaint]

From watching him (and only that), I get the impression that he just wants to play football. At some point he'll play at the highest level, I hope, and he knows it but for now I think playing all the time is most important to him. I would say, however, that he wouldn't want to play in the league below and frankly I think he (and Fernandes and Ramsdale and KWP) are too good for it so shouldn't lower themselves as they'll get little out of it.

 

 

Slight deviation from the subject of TD:

 

However, KWP is mid-level EPL only and the rest of ours  could make a fist of it in this league with a lot of effort and better playing but aren't really of the highest calibre so wouldn't see them as out of place in the league below.  There are a number of quite good players there, as well.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Probably not getting the whole story from Russell Martin.

Players can sack their agents if they’re not doing what is asked. It’s not difficult.

The fact RM is saying his family and the club are on one side and his agent another doesn’t add up.

[Badger]

49 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

 

The fact RM is saying his family and the club are on one side and his agent another doesn’t add up.

But they’re getting close to an agreement. Possibly two weeks away from him signing it. 

[austsaint]

On 12/12/2024 at 11:21, Saint Fan CaM said:

The lad is worth upwards of £50m plus sell-on. Anything less will demonstrate once again the incompetence of the SFC Board / SR.

He really is….worth upwards of 50m plus sell on.  Would love him to stay but who in their right mind would expect such a talent to play Championship next season?     I take a line through Lavia - a year or so older (at the time), plays a different position, but there’s an equivalence in their precocious talent.    

[egg]

16 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Probably not getting the whole story from Russell Martin.

Players can sack their agents if they’re not doing what is asked. It’s not difficult.

The fact RM is saying his family and the club are on one side and his agent another doesn’t add up.

Depends on the terms of their contract. He may be stuck with the fella for ages. What we're being told is plausible imo. 

[beatlesaint]

17 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Probably not getting the whole story from Russell Martin.

Players can sack their agents if they’re not doing what is asked. It’s not difficult.

The fact RM is saying his family and the club are on one side and his agent another doesn’t add up.

I think you have to take what RM says with a large pinch of sale on most things. I'm hoping that not on this occasion though. 

[tdmickey3]

Spurs in January 

[chiknsmack]

4 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Spurs in January 

New manager bounce, win three of four against Fulham/Wham/Palace/Brentford to get back into the fight, and then Levy offers half of what he's worth as per usual so he goes? I don't see it.

£70m in the summer if we go down. If we stay up and keep improving in subsequent years he's here for life.

[Sarnia Cherie]

6 hours ago, chiknsmack said:

New manager bounce, win three of four against Fulham/Wham/Palace/Brentford to get back into the fight, and then Levy offers half of what he's worth as per usual so he goes? I don't see it.

£70m in the summer if we go down. If we stay up and keep improving in subsequent years he's here for life.

No way will Tyler Dibling be here for life. With the exception of Matt Le Tissier, how many talented footballers have played their entire career at Southampton? We have had some great players wear our shirt but we are a stepping stone club for them to go on to bigger and better clubs with the opportunity for them to progress and win trophies. After watching last night's horror show I really hoped Dibling would go in the January window. He doesn't deserve to be working under a one-dimensional manager like RM. Now SR have finally pulled the plug, hopefully we can keep Dibling until the end of the season at least. If we get relegated, he no way deserves to play Championship football but if we manage to survive in the Prem he may give us another season, but here for life? No way!

[Fabrice29]

On 14/12/2024 at 16:23, FarehamSaintJames said:

Probably not getting the whole story from Russell Martin.

Players can sack their agents if they’re not doing what is asked. It’s not difficult.

The fact RM is saying his family and the club are on one side and his agent another doesn’t add up.

Of course it adds up. Nobody is suggesting they are on different sides or the agent wants him out. The agent is instructed to get the best deal possible for Tyler by him and his parents. Agent is doing that.

[malcolm waldron]

1 hour ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

No way will Tyler Dibling be here for life. With the exception of Matt Le Tissier, how many talented footballers have played their entire career at Southampton? We have had some great players wear our shirt but we are a stepping stone club for them to go on to bigger and better clubs with the opportunity for them to progress and win trophies. After watching last night's horror show I really hoped Dibling would go in the January window. He doesn't deserve to be working under a one-dimensional manager like RM. Now SR have finally pulled the plug, hopefully we can keep Dibling until the end of the season at least. If we get relegated, he no way deserves to play Championship football but if we manage to survive in the Prem he may give us another season, but here for life? No way!

Frannie Benali and James Ward-Prowse to name but two.   (I've discounted FB's loan spell at Forest and as soon as JWP left us I declared his career officially over in my mind.  If ever I met him I would tell him that.....). 

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, malcolm waldron said:

Frannie Benali and James Ward-Prowse to name but two.   (I've discounted FB's loan spell at Forest and as soon as JWP left us I declared his career officially over in my mind.  If ever I met him I would tell him that.....). 

So you can’t name any then? 😂

[ErwinK1961]

8 hours ago, chiknsmack said:

New manager bounce, win three of four against Fulham/Wham/Palace/Brentford to get back into the fight, and then Levy offers half of what he's worth as per usual so he goes? I don't see it.

£70m in the summer if we go down. If we stay up and keep improving in subsequent years he's here for life.

£70m?! Not a chance in hell.

He’ll go for probably half that.

[LeBizzier69]

🚨 #SaintsFC wonder kid Tyler Dibling feels ‘disrespected’ by the way his contract talks have been handled by the club. 

[via @alex_crook]
 

Let’s hope this is AC being his usual out-of-touch self..

[Master Bates]

6 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

🚨 #SaintsFC wonder kid Tyler Dibling feels ‘disrespected’ by the way his contract talks have been handled by the club. 

[via @alex_crook]

I feel disrespected by the way the club have handled my emotions this past year.

[FarehamSaintJames]

1 hour ago, LeBizzier69 said:

🚨 #SaintsFC wonder kid Tyler Dibling feels ‘disrespected’ by the way his contract talks have been handled by the club. 

[via @alex_crook]
 

Let’s hope this is AC being his usual out-of-touch self..

I was worried right up until I saw Alex Crooks name associated with it as the source.

He’ll probably sign a five year extension tomorrow based on that.

[sambosa75]

On 16/12/2024 at 01:37, chiknsmack said:

New manager bounce, win three of four against Fulham/Wham/Palace/Brentford to get back into the fight, and then Levy offers half of what he's worth as per usual so he goes? I don't see it.

£70m in the summer if we go down. If we stay up and keep improving in subsequent years he's here for life.

£70m?!?

For all his talent, the lad has 1 goal and 0 assists to his name in the PL this season.  We’ll barely get half that fee.

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, sambosa75 said:

£70m?!?

For all his talent, the lad has 1 goal and 0 assists to his name in the PL this season.  We’ll barely get half that fee.

To be fair you look at in another way he has scored nearly 10% of our goals this season, or in joint 4th for goals scored. If he scores another he will be joint top, another 2 and he will be the leading scorer!  

Edited 17 December, 2024 by Toussaint

[SaintsLoyal]

I suspect there might be some needle in the fact it was mentioned by Martin during a presser, Crook though is full of made up shite and can do one.

[Convict Colony]

This is purely agent planted story to try and create leverage in negotiations with the owners by putting pressure on them about "losing him" as well.

Edited 17 December, 2024 by Convict Colony

[BARCELONASAINT]

I have a close friend that knows Tyler and the Dibling family very well. By all accounts Tyler is a very level headed lad who values friends and family first and foremost and who is a very quiet lad. I totally agree with the above that this sounds like agent bollocks just trying to squeeze more out of Saints at a time where the club would be desperate not to lose their prized asset.

[washsaint]

Reading the very sad tale of Joey Beauchamp and thinking some of it (not the post playing career part) may have some parallels with Tyler.  

Before a lot of peoples time on here I'm sure but Beachamp was a great player for Oxford and made a move to West Ham but left after 56 days or so as he was deeply unhappy and really wanted to be at Oxford and so moved back.  Times were not kind to Beauchamp after he finished playing and he sadly took his own life.

The only reason I bring this up is that Tyler left Chelsea after a short time there and it seems that, even if we go down, that perhaps Tyler is better staying at Saints: certainly for 2-3 seasons more (when he'll still be only 21!), especially as many articles have said he is quite shy and introverted and that perhaps the bright lights and spotlight on him will not be a good thing for him personally at such a young age. 

Or maybe that is wishful thinking on my part as he is the only bright spot this season!

[Luke SkyWalker-Peters]

14 minutes ago, washsaint said:

Reading the very sad tale of Joey Beauchamp and thinking some of it (not the post playing career part) may have some parallels with Tyler.  

Before a lot of peoples time on here I'm sure but Beachamp was a great player for Oxford and made a move to West Ham but left after 56 days or so as he was deeply unhappy and really wanted to be at Oxford and so moved back.  Times were not kind to Beauchamp after he finished playing and he sadly took his own life.

The only reason I bring this up is that Tyler left Chelsea after a short time there and it seems that, even if we go down, that perhaps Tyler is better staying at Saints: certainly for 2-3 seasons more (when he'll still be only 21!), especially as many articles have said he is quite shy and introverted and that perhaps the bright lights and spotlight on him will not be a good thing for him personally at such a young age. 

Or maybe that is wishful thinking on my part as he is the only bright spot this season!

There is a big difference between being shy, introverted or feeling homesick at 15/16 to age 19/20.

Tyler is dealing with the spotlight that has been on him well. I cannot see a situation where he isn't playing in a top 5 European league next season.

I do think he might believe he is better off at a club where he is valued, but can't see him dropping down to the Champ when we almost certainly go.

Unfortunately, that just means it's more likely that he could end-up at a Bournemouth or Brighton instead of a Man Utd.

[ErwinK1961]

6 minutes ago, Luke SkyWalker-Peters said:

There is a big difference between being shy, introverted or feeling homesick at 15/16 to age 19/20.

Tyler is dealing with the spotlight that has been on him well. I cannot see a situation where he isn't playing in a top 5 European league next season.

I do think he might believe he is better off at a club where he is valued, but can't see him dropping down to the Champ when we almost certainly go.

Unfortunately, that just means it's more likely that he could end-up at a Bournemouth or Brighton instead of a Man Utd.

Can see him at Brighton.

[BarberSaint]

I see no value in him in going to a mediocre club. If Tella can do it, I think he could make a step in Germany but I'd like to see him play in Italy at some point because it'll make him develop. Too young now, of course.  Worryingly, if not us, I think the best club for him would be the lot we're playing tonight.

[Master Bates]

https://x.com/JustSaints_/status/1874873712778059913

Edited Thursday at 18:39 by Master Bates

[Matty's Caddy]

Nobody’s paying good money for him. Too lazy and a luxury we can ill afford in our position 

luckily for him, we’ll be chasing most games so he’ll see plenty of minutes from the bench

[Chewy]

10 hours ago, Matty's Caddy said:

Nobody’s paying good money for him. Too lazy and a luxury we can ill afford in our position 

luckily for him, we’ll be chasing most games so he’ll see plenty of minutes from the bench

That’s right - he’s the laziest player I’ve seen since Le Tissier. Personally I’d sack Dibling after fining him for being sh1t. I think we should give him away for free. This kid is so crap.

Seriously, I do wonder about the mental capacity of some of our supporters at times.

Fernandes and Dibling both getting it in the same week. Of all the many things wrong with Saints right now, of all the utter misery we’re enduring under SR, and we start picking on the only 2 bright spots around the entire club. 
 

[saintant]

13 hours ago, Master Bates said:

https://x.com/JustSaints_/status/1874873712778059913

Presumably they are being told this by his agent.

[david in sweden]

Some of you aren't looking at this from the same perspective.   Many 18 year olds only get into the first team dressing room in order

to take care of a senior player's kit.   Dibling has been a talent from a young age, but coming from U18/U21 level to begin playing

Prem. football  is a huge step.  Tyler shows up well when he has the ball at his feet, but is scarcely a big asset in the sense he can

link up, or tackle back as many others in the team must do.     He still has a lot to learn in terms of being a " team player."

A lot depends on his attitude to the future. He has ambition...  but his previous short sojourn with Chelsea soon lost its glamour when 

he had to adjust to life in another part of the country, and found himself in competition with dozens of other talents in his age group.

 

Back with Saints, he has developed well, and been fortunate that several other Academy hopefuls are already out-on-loan with lower

league clubs and so there is little competition from anyone else in our U21 set-up.   Much of this " so-called interest " from

top-end clubs may well be agent-provocation / media inspired,  and seemingly no-one has put in any sort of offer yet ..or ?

Various" fees" mentioned are down to journalists own " guesstimates", but only an interested club would come up with " exact figures". 

 

If Dibling can play out the remainder of this season with the same enthusiasm, there may well be clubs making serious approaches

but his value may dwindle if he is still with us after the summer and we are playing at a lower level.  Its a Catch 22 situation for sure.

1)...Playing Championship-level  football may make him look better, but (2) reduce the level of fee we might expect in an eventual sale

as the lifespan of his present contract -  is growing shorter every month.     The big question is.... Do we stick, or twist ?

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

Yes he is a talent, but he is also a very raw talent. Yes he can run with the ball but his overall game (awareness, passing, fitness etc) still needs a lot of work.

From a Saints management perspective, they should be reminding him the grass isn't always greener on the other side. There's a danger he'll join a Liverpool and spend half his time on the bench before dropping in to obscurity. Chelsea is another example of a club hoovering up all the talent but then only using one or two players. He needs to stay where he is, really develop his game (he's still making a mint at Southampton) and then look to move in a couple of years at the earliest. If it means playing in the Championship, so be it. The physicality of that league will also do him good.

Well, that's what we should be telling him...

[Saint in Paradise]

I am sorry to say that I don't have enough confidence that Saints management are up to the task suggested by OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint.

However I wish the lad well on whatever path he decides to take.

[S-Clarke]

At the end of the day, the model of SR is to generate money from the development of players. Having a successful team is second to them, primarily it's about building a successful profit generating portfolio.

Dibling is an opportunity for them to rake in full profit from someone developed in house and I'm fairly certain they'll take that opportunity as soon as it arises. He is our ticket to trying to build a competitive Championship squad next season and helping Gozepe compete even higher in the Turkish league.

Edited Friday at 08:58 by S-Clarke

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

At the end of the day, the model of SR is to generate money from the development of players. Having a successful team is second to them, primarily it's about building a successful profit generating portfolio.

Dibling is an opportunity for them to rake in full profit from someone developed in house and I'm fairly certain they'll take that opportunity as soon as it arises. He is our ticket to trying to build a competitive Championship squad next season and helping Gozepe compete even higher in the Turkish league.

Ain’t that the truth.

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

At the end of the day, the model of SR is to generate money from the development of players. Having a successful team is second to them, primarily it's about building a successful profit generating portfolio.

Dibling is an opportunity for them to rake in full profit from someone developed in house and I'm fairly certain they'll take that opportunity as soon as it arises. He is our ticket to trying to build a competitive Championship squad next season and helping Gozepe compete even higher in the Turkish league.

Sad but true. They’ve openly stated they’re a player trading company so that’ll mean all our decent players get sold off to the highest bidder. No different to any other period in our history really but this time the model will be to support other clubs in our group as well.

[Matty's Caddy]

2 hours ago, Chewy said:

That’s right - he’s the laziest player I’ve seen since Le Tissier. Personally I’d sack Dibling after fining him for being sh1t. I think we should give him away for free. This kid is so crap.

Seriously, I do wonder about the mental capacity of some of our supporters at times.

Fernandes and Dibling both getting it in the same week. Of all the many things wrong with Saints right now, of all the utter misery we’re enduring under SR, and we start picking on the only 2 bright spots around the entire club. 
 

I didn’t say he was shit did I. 
all I’m saying is that our midfield is not good enough to carry dibling at the moment, also, dibling and fernandes are extremely young and need their minutes managed properly. (Livramento). You can’t rely on them week in week out. 

Edited Friday at 09:14 by Matty's Caddy

[beatlesaint]

If the decision on his future was based purely on footballing terms rather than financial ones I randomly find myself agreeing with Jamie Redknapp who said on Sky the other day he should stay at Southampton next season, tear up the Championship then see where he is in the summer 2026.

It wont happen unless his experience at Chelsea still runs deep and he doesnt feel ready to move on just yet. 

[SW5 SAINT]

1 hour ago, david in sweden said:

Some of you aren't looking at this from the same perspective.   Many 18 year olds only get into the first team dressing room in order

to take care of a senior player's kit.   Dibling has been a talent from a young age, but coming from U18/U21 level to begin playing

Prem. football  is a huge step.  Tyler shows up well when he has the ball at his feet, but is scarcely a big asset in the sense he can

link up, or tackle back as many others in the team must do.     He still has a lot to learn in terms of being a " team player."

A lot depends on his attitude to the future. He has ambition...  but his previous short sojourn with Chelsea soon lost its glamour when 

he had to adjust to life in another part of the country, and found himself in competition with dozens of other talents in his age group.

 

Back with Saints, he has developed well, and been fortunate that several other Academy hopefuls are already out-on-loan with lower

league clubs and so there is little competition from anyone else in our U21 set-up.   Much of this " so-called interest " from

top-end clubs may well be agent-provocation / media inspired,  and seemingly no-one has put in any sort of offer yet ..or ?

Various" fees" mentioned are down to journalists own " guesstimates", but only an interested club would come up with " exact figures". 

 

If Dibling can play out the remainder of this season with the same enthusiasm, there may well be clubs making serious approaches

but his value may dwindle if he is still with us after the summer and we are playing at a lower level.  Its a Catch 22 situation for sure.

1)...Playing Championship-level  football may make him look better, but (2) reduce the level of fee we might expect in an eventual sale

as the lifespan of his present contract -  is growing shorter every month.     The big question is.... Do we stick, or twist ?

His contract still has two and a half years to run. More than half the length the usual 4 year deal….!

[Turkish]

44 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

If the decision on his future was based purely on footballing terms rather than financial ones I randomly find myself agreeing with Jamie Redknapp who said on Sky the other day he should stay at Southampton next season, tear up the Championship then see where he is in the summer 2026.

It wont happen unless his experience at Chelsea still runs deep and he doesnt feel ready to move on just yet. 

Like Jack Grealish did with Villa. The reality is if he went to a top 6 club he’d end up going out on loan anyway either to a bottom half or championship club. He might as well stay and have a great season in the championship. However given we are a player trading club and we will need to sell I fully expect him to leave. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

3 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

At the end of the day, the model of SR is to generate money from the development of players. Having a successful team is second to them, primarily it's about building a successful profit generating portfolio.

Dibling is an opportunity for them to rake in full profit from someone developed in house and I'm fairly certain they'll take that opportunity as soon as it arises. He is our ticket to trying to build a competitive Championship squad next season and helping Gozepe compete even higher in the Turkish league.

And to prove your point, today they sign a Valenciennes player for Euros/£ 5m...and then will probably loan him back at some grossly inflated fee. All sounds sailing very close to the wind.

[Göztepe]

On 03.01.2025 at 15:38, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Ve iddianızı kanıtlamak için, bugün Valenciennes'ten bir oyuncuyu Euro/5 milyon sterline transfer ediyorlar... ve sonra muhtemelen onu aşırı şişirilmiş bir ücret karşılığında geri kiralayacaklar. Tüm sesler rüzgara karşı yelken açıyor.

Our expense is only 11 million euros, we cover it with our own resources