Romeo Lavia - Official: Signs for Not Liverpool

[Fabrice29]

29 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Something like, we agree to City activating their clause early with agreement for a 1 year loan? We lost out on being able to hold a bidding war but we keep Lavia for one more season.

I think he's already too good for the championship but would have to start as a squad player at best in the type of sides who realistically would be going for him (top five/six clubs). I anticipate there is a valid question about what could be better for development - consistent games in the championship or training with top quality players and coaches with hit and miss game time.

There's no way Lavia will play in the Championship next season when he's got a Belgium Euro 24 squad to get into. 

[Convict Colony]

Only need to post this in this thread

 

[Give it to Ron]

That poor bastard was playing them on his own again.

Such a waste of talent alongside so much shite coached by 2 clueless muppets this year 

[chiknsmack]

Shouldn't play again this season. He's earned an early release for good behaviour.

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

He really is absolutely different class. The amount of times our centre backs blasted balls into him and he turned his way out of trouble and up the pitch was very impressive.

Really frustrating to see him fouled so cynically so many times, Bournemouth seemed to know if they brought him down early they wouldn't get a yellow and it wouldn't help us, and boy did it work for them.

[austsaint]

6 hours ago, chiknsmack said:

Shouldn't play again this season. He's earned an early release for good behaviour.

Lavia's been the one bright spot during this wretched season.   Even as the side has fallen away under Jones and Selles - he has given his all; played with great skill and work rate, and also been prepared to acknowledge the fans when others have scurried away to the sheds.

Deserves a good move and how lucky is the Club that gets him next......Pochettino's Chelsea? And FFS....he's 19!!!

[Pamplemousse]

He clearly cares. I'd give him the captain's armband

[Fabrice29]

At fault for the goal yesterday fwiw. Obviously not at fault for everything else.

[sydney_saint]

I can't remember many players that pretty much all the fans are saying 'leave with our blessing'. Cos yeah, who can blame him for leaving. He's a young, ridiculously talented footballer destined to reach the top. I'd question his sanity in all honesty if he actually wanted to stay in this shitshow. 

[S-Clarke]

It shows up the rest of our 'players' that an 18 year old kid can come in and take more responsibility than any of them.

Even Alcaraz as a 19 year old, he was poor last night giving the ball away, but he tries things, he takes responsibility to have an impact. These are kids showing up the nonsense we've had to put up with, and I include JWP in that.

[SaintsFan86]

 

It begins.

[AlexLaw76]

it would be such a shame if Lavia goes to Chelsea

[SaintsFan86]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

it would be such a shame if Lavia goes to Chelsea

Don't care where he goes, aslong as we make alot of coin.

[DT]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

it would be such a shame if Lavia goes to Chelsea

Better that than Spurs by a long way. Or Liverpool. Really he should go back to City. Absolute baller. Will be really top class

[qwertyell]

41 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

It begins.

Maybe they can throw in a couple of their youngsters to sweeten the deal.

I hear Jimmy Jay Morgan is quite promising.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

48 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

it would be such a shame if Lavia goes to Chelsea

Agree, he'll not get a first team game all next season in the PL. Maybe get the odd outing in a cup game. Will just be another bit part player like Loftus-Cheek et all. 

[S-Clarke]

A young player going to Chelsea is as close to early retirement as you can get, pointless move for him. Hope he sees sense and holds out for a genuine move.

Liverpool, as much as it pains me to say, would be a much better move for him. Even Utd would be a good shout, learning next to Casimero.

[Suhari]

9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

A young player going to Chelsea is as close to early retirement as you can get, pointless move for him. Hope he sees sense and holds out for a genuine move.

Liverpool, as much as it pains me to say, would be a much better move for him. Even Utd would be a good shout, learning next to Casimero.

With Poch as the manager, perhaps things will change there.

[Saint Garrett]

3 minutes ago, Suhari said:

With Poch as the manager, perhaps things will change there.

Think they have to given how badly they’ve failed this year. They’ve recruited young, but ultimately, like us, they’ve failed because they can’t score. 

Fully expect them to be top 4 next year. Pochettino will invest in these young players 

[Chez]

18 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

A young player going to Chelsea is as close to early retirement as you can get, pointless move for him. Hope he sees sense and holds out for a genuine move.

11 of the 14 permanent signings they made last season were aged between 18 and 22. 

While the players likely to leave are Mendy 31, Kovacic 29, Loftus Cheak 27, Ziyech 30, Aubamayang 33 and Kante 32.

The Chelsea squad could be very young next season

[Dellman]

3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Agree, he'll not get a first team game all next season in the PL. Maybe get the odd outing in a cup game. Will just be another bit part player like Loftus-Cheek et all. 

He will. Poch knows how to use and improve young players, he will move on the 'oldies' or leave them on the bench

[Smirking_Saint]

He’ll play at Chelsea because they don’t have a true No.6 if/when Kante leaves and he’s good enough too

The only two teams he doesn’t get into straight away in the prem is probably City (Rodri) or Utd (Casemiro)

Im going to assume if they’re going for Lavia then Arsenal must have Rice tied up then and PSG Ugarte

Edited 5 June, 2023 by Smirking_Saint

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, Dellman said:

He will. Poch knows how to use and improve young players, he will move on the 'oldies' or leave them on the bench

Not sure if he will risk it, After the season Chelsea had, he's going to have to hit the ground running. He might be tempted to go for more experience, in the short term at least. 

[verlaine1979]

Not entirely convinced that anyone will offer what we want for him yet. He had a few injuries last season, and while he looked several steps above anything we've had for a long while, he didn't dominate games so much as glide through them doing the intricate stuff well.

I suppose Chelsea are really the only team likely to gamble on paying what we want, even though he's still quite a way off the standard of a prime Kante/Fabinho/Casemiro etc.

[Toussaint]

4 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said:

Not entirely convinced that anyone will offer what we want for him yet. He had a few injuries last season, and while he looked several steps above anything we've had for a long while, he didn't dominate games so much as glide through them doing the intricate stuff well.

I suppose Chelsea are really the only team likely to gamble on paying what we want, even though he's still quite a way off the standard of a prime Kante/Fabinho/Casemiro etc.

Didn’t they offer £50 million just after we played them at home?

[verlaine1979]

Wasn't that before they paid 100m for Fernandez? Chelsea are obviously crying out for a new DM and have shown a capacity to burn money like no one else, so I can see it being them. But I don't see many other clubs being willing to pony up 50m for a 19 year old who only played 65% of the minutes in a relegation season. Would expect Newcastle, Spurs et al to want a bit more experience for their money.

[West end Saints]

Clearly will be a starter for a top side in the near future, but not convinced he would get much game time next season. Shows the ability but doesn't dominate yet, and is quite inconsistent with his passing. Not a big criticism purely looking at standard to start for a top 4 side and don't think he is ready. But you wouldn't expect h to be at his age, and will be soon

[JRM]

8 hours ago, West end Saints said:

Clearly will be a starter for a top side in the near future, but not convinced he would get much game time next season. Shows the ability but doesn't dominate yet, and is quite inconsistent with his passing. Not a big criticism purely looking at standard to start for a top 4 side and don't think he is ready. But you wouldn't expect h to be at his age, and will be soon

He was picking up quite a few injuries as well so we missed him in some key games. 

[SNSUN]

10 hours ago, West end Saints said:

Clearly will be a starter for a top side in the near future, but not convinced he would get much game time next season. Shows the ability but doesn't dominate yet, and is quite inconsistent with his passing. Not a big criticism purely looking at standard to start for a top 4 side and don't think he is ready. But you wouldn't expect h to be at his age, and will be soon

That's why I think the most obvious deal would be a sale and a season long loan back. He gets the minutes in a competitive league as do we, he gets the big move and the team he signs for gets a top prospect getting game time. It could be reflected in the negotiations too. Just seems like a no brainer to me. I do think he'll be sold though.

[Midfield_General]

An exploration of the relationship between Joe Shields and Lavia’s agent would be interesting. Although I’m sure it’s all absolutely, definitely above board. 

[qwertyell]

46 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

That's why I think the most obvious deal would be a sale and a season long loan back. He gets the minutes in a competitive league as do we, he gets the big move and the team he signs for gets a top prospect getting game time. It could be reflected in the negotiations too. Just seems like a no brainer to me. I do think he'll be sold though.

He's broken into the Belgian senior squad. 

There's not a chance in hell he slums it for a season in the championship when there's an international tournament next summer.

[S-Clarke]

38 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

An exploration of the relationship between Joe Shields and Lavia’s agent would be interesting. Although I’m sure it’s all absolutely, definitely above board. 

There were links not so long ago of Chelsea looking at Bazunu as well, like you say it's almost certainly above board and nothing to do with Joe Shields at all.

[Mr Nimbus]

Saw some chatter online that the Mac Allister deal to Liverpool, will have a knock on effect to other players market value.

Not sure I agree. That seems to me that he had a release clause, and Liverpool activated it.

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, Mr Nimbus said:

Saw some chatter online that the Mac Allister deal to Liverpool, will have a knock on effect to other players market value.

Not sure I agree. That seems to me that he had a release clause, and Liverpool activated it.

Yeah can't seeing it have much impact. Fees are largely set by the player's value to his club, remaining contract length, club's resolve.

Feel a bit for Brighton, losing him for £35M is far worse than us losing Mane for £35-40M. They look to be following a similar path to what we set under Koeman (and also Leicester), albeit not quite reaching as high. How many players can they sell before their recruitment falters? Will they be the side that bucks the trend, or in 5years will they be battling relegation like every other team that dares to knock on the glass ceiling.

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Yeah can't seeing it have much impact. Fees are largely set by the player's value to his club, remaining contract length, club's resolve.

Feel a bit for Brighton, losing him for £35M is far worse than us losing Mane for £35-40M. They look to be following a similar path to what we set under Koeman (and also Leicester), albeit not quite reaching as high. How many players can they sell before their recruitment falters? Will they be the side that bucks the trend, or in 5years will they be battling relegation like every other team that dares to knock on the glass ceiling.

People seem to forget that at the time £35m for Mane was a good deal. I love way people look back at it like we were done, at the time it was one of Liverpools biggest ever transfer fees and one of the biggest transfers of that summer. It was only when Man United paid a crazy price for Paul Pogba that transfer fees inflated in the next window. 

[Sarisbury Saint]

17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

People seem to forget that at the time £35m for Mane was a good deal. I love way people look back at it like we were done, at the time it was one of Liverpools biggest ever transfer fees and one of the biggest transfers of that summer. It was only when Man United paid a crazy price for Paul Pogba that transfer fees inflated in the next window. 

Didn’t Virgil go for about £70- £80m the same year ? Genuinely can’t remember.

[Turkish]

Just now, Sarisbury Saint said:

Didn’t Virgil go for about £70- £80m the same year ? Genuinely can’t remember.

mane went in the summer of 2016, for context these were the other big transfers over £30m that summer, 10 in total. The fee we got for Mane against the others that year was probably about right. Van Dijk joined Liverpool in the January 2018 transfer window. Prices had been hiked up due to Pogba moving in august. In  summer 2017 there were 15 transfers over £30m with Man City, Chelsea and Man United all spending big. Everton spent £45m on Sigurdsson! But that doesn't mean the price we got for Mane was under the current market value at the time he was sold.

31 August 2016	Moussa Sissoko	Newcastle United	Tottenham Hotspur	£30m
16 July 2016	N'Golo Kanté	Leicester City	Chelsea	£32m
3 July 2016	Michy Batshuayi	Marseille	Chelsea	£33.2m
25 May 2016	Granit Xhaka	Borussia Mönchengladbach	Arsenal	£33.8m
28 June 2016[b]	Sadio Mané	Southampton	Liverpool	£34m
31 August 2016	David Luiz	Paris Saint-Germain	Chelsea	£34m
30 August 2016	Shkodran Mustafi	Valencia	Arsenal	£35m
2 August 2016	Leroy Sané	Schalke 04	Manchester City	£37m
9 August 2016	John Stones	Everton	Manchester City	£47.5m
9 August 2016	Paul Pogba	Juventus	Manchester United	£89m

[Sarisbury Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

mane went in the summer of 2016, for context these were the other big transfers over £30m that summer, 10 in total. The fee we got for Mane against the others that year was probably about right. Van Dijk joined Liverpool in the January 2018 transfer window. Prices had been hiked up due to Pogba moving in august. In  summer 2017 there were 15 transfers over £30m with Man City, Chelsea and Man United all spending big. Everton spent £45m on Sigurdsson! But that doesn't mean the price we got for Mane was under the current market value at the time he was sold.

31 August 2016	Moussa Sissoko	Newcastle United	Tottenham Hotspur	£30m
16 July 2016	N'Golo Kanté	Leicester City	Chelsea	£32m
3 July 2016	Michy Batshuayi	Marseille	Chelsea	£33.2m
25 May 2016	Granit Xhaka	Borussia Mönchengladbach	Arsenal	£33.8m
28 June 2016[b]	Sadio Mané	Southampton	Liverpool	£34m
31 August 2016	David Luiz	Paris Saint-Germain	Chelsea	£34m
30 August 2016	Shkodran Mustafi	Valencia	Arsenal	£35m
2 August 2016	Leroy Sané	Schalke 04	Manchester City	£37m
9 August 2016	John Stones	Everton	Manchester City	£47.5m
9 August 2016	Paul Pogba	Juventus	Manchester United	£89m

Thanks. My memory failed me.

Bye the way? you remind me of someone, what with all those stats ect 😁

[Chez]

On 06/06/2023 at 08:51, SNSUN said:

That's why I think the most obvious deal would be a sale and a season long loan back. He gets the minutes in a competitive league as do we, he gets the big move and the team he signs for gets a top prospect getting game time. It could be reflected in the negotiations too. Just seems like a no brainer to me. I do think he'll be sold though.

Sure, a no brainer for saints, but would it not make more sense for Chelsea to buy him now and then loan him to another Prem club? There seems little point in him getting more game time at Championship level when he has proved he is more than capable of playing in the Prem.

[Chez]

2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Yeah can't seeing it have much impact. Fees are largely set by the player's value to his club, remaining contract length, club's resolve.

Feel a bit for Brighton, losing him for £35M is far worse than us losing Mane for £35-40M. They look to be following a similar path to what we set under Koeman (and also Leicester), albeit not quite reaching as high. How many players can they sell before their recruitment falters? Will they be the side that bucks the trend, or in 5years will they be battling relegation like every other team that dares to knock on the glass ceiling.

seeing as they got £55m or whatever for Cucarella, £35m for McCallister balances things out. They are also looking for £70m for Caicedo, which seems high, so that will balance things a little.

I wonder of those two transfers will be the lot. If they keep Mitoma, Ensico and Ferguson, with March and Undav they retain that attacking threat. Sign Colwill and the back four is retained. They just need to enhance their CM. Lavia doesn't fit their profile, but might be a smart move if they could get him for less than £40m  

[The Curse of St Mary's]

 

 

[hypochondriac]

We are going to make so much money from Lavia. A cause for celebration for sure! 

[Saint Garrett]

25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

We are going to make so much money from Lavia. A cause for celebration for sure! 

Shame 20% of it goes to citeh! They don’t need the money! 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Saint Garrett said:

Shame 20% of it goes to citeh! They don’t need the money! 

Although that's reduced considerably if Chelsea gives us a couple of decent players in exchange. Even a loan or two coukd be excellent in the championship. 

[SaintsFan86]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Although that's reduced considerably if Chelsea gives us a couple of decent players in exchange. Even a loan or two coukd be excellent in the championship. 

Wonder if Ethan Ampadu would drop down, I'm sure we are due to lose 3 or 4 CBs, so gaining a decent one and driving the cost of how much we neeed go give city back is a good idea.

[austsaint]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

People seem to forget that at the time £35m for Mane was a good deal. I love way people look back at it like we were done, at the time it was one of Liverpools biggest ever transfer fees and one of the biggest transfers of that summer. It was only when Man United paid a crazy price for Paul Pogba that transfer fees inflated in the next window. 

Fair enough -35m was probably market value at the time.  I think it's just you could  see how good he was, and how good he was going to become that made the fee seem a bargain.  What was he at the time, 24?   I though he was already a better player than Hazard, it's just that his reputation at the time hadn't caught up with what was apparent to many Saints supporters.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Although that's reduced considerably if Chelsea gives us a couple of decent players in exchange. Even a loan or two coukd be excellent in the championship. 

Connor Gallagher and Levi Collwill. I’d be cheeky and ask for Mendy as well if they really want Lavia they’ll do it. When we get the Hazard, Tillmans and Mullin deals done this squad will really be starting to take shape. 

[Fabrice29]

Doubt we’ll be taking players from Chelsea as part of the deal A) That doesn’t happen anymore and B) There will be all sorts of issues with valuation of the players we would take. It’s a part of what got Juventus into trouble. 

Nice little headline though. 

[Dman]

22 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Doubt we’ll be taking players from Chelsea as part of the deal A) That doesn’t happen anymore and B) There will be all sorts of issues with valuation of the players we would take. It’s a part of what got Juventus into trouble. 

Nice little headline though. 

I haven't played much attention to the Juventus thing, but what was the issue here? Surely the value of the player is what the selling club deem them to be..?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

I haven't played much attention to the Juventus thing, but what was the issue here? Surely the value of the player is what the selling club deem them to be..?

There is more to it than that. HMRC and company accounting play a big part and there are also footballing financial regulations.