Romeo Lavia - Official: Signs for Not Liverpool

[Lee On Solent Saint]

32 minutes ago, Dman said:

We're not Liverpool, we're not even a PL side anymore. That comparison is ridiculous. 

Why is it? What difference does the league we are in matter? Lavia has proved he is a Premier League player, not some kid who has just played a year in the Championship. 

[hypochondriac]

44 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If this was played out the other way, and he was already a Liverpool player, and say Real Madrid wanted him, there is absolutely no way Liverpool would sell for anything less than 50m.

In fact it would be significantly more if it were on the back of excellent performances over a season. 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Why is it? What difference does the league we are in matter? Lavia has proved he is a Premier League player, not some kid who has just played a year in the Championship. 

Liverpool would ask for more than 50 million undoubtedly. Our asking price is below what they woukd want. FWIW I think he will go for 40-45.

[SaintsFan86]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Liverpool would ask for more than 50 million undoubtedly. Our asking price is below what they woukd want. FWIW I think he will go for 40-45.

I don't think the club budge on £50Million. It's been set all Summer. 

Would show us to be weak if we suddenly just give in now, and personally it would take Lavia throwing his toys out of the pram go even Consider lowering it.

The club can see he is going to be a top top player, so I just can't see them dropping the price at all.

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Liverpool would ask for more than 50 million undoubtedly. Our asking price is below what they woukd want. FWIW I think he will go for 40-45.

Tend to agree. 45m with achievable add ons would be my guess. 

Edited 5 July, 2023 by Lee On Solent Saint
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[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I don't think the club budge on £50Million. It's been set all Summer. 

Would show us to be weak if we suddenly just give in now, and personally it would take Lavia throwing his toys out of the pram go even Consider lowering it.

The club can see he is going to be a top top player, so I just can't see them dropping the price at all.

 

Always good to remember that if a selling club is leaking fees they want to the press it’s for show. If a buying club is leaking figures to the press it’s also for show. There’ll be a middle ground and any further leaks about the final fee will be skewed from each side and also for show.

[hypochondriac]

51 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I don't think the club budge on £50Million. It's been set all Summer. 

Would show us to be weak if we suddenly just give in now, and personally it would take Lavia throwing his toys out of the pram go even Consider lowering it.

The club can see he is going to be a top top player, so I just can't see them dropping the price at all.

 

Well we will see won't we. Absolutely no chance he's staying so if no one will pay 50 something will have to budge. 

[Dman]

56 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Why is it? What difference does the league we are in matter? Lavia has proved he is a Premier League player, not some kid who has just played a year in the Championship. 

Big clubs playing at the highest level can demand more for their players than a struggling championship clubs, shock horror.

Lavia was a solid player for a really shit relegated side, in his first season as a professional player. He's by no means proven himself yet. He'll get there, I'm absolutely sure of it. He'll be a superstar, but clubs are paying for potential at the minute. 

Is he ready for a big 6 side? Hard to say right now, I think he'd be suited more to a West Ham / Brighton, where he if he has another solid PL season, then he's proven himself and probably goes for £50m+.. imo.

Like Hypo, I think we'll drop our pants and he'll go for £40-£45m later in the window.  

[pimpin4rizeal]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Well we will see won't we. Absolutely no chance he's staying so if no one will pay 50 something will have to budge. 

At the same time why should we sell for less just cause he wants to go ??

his value is only gonna increase and like you say if it was another club selling him they would ask for more 

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

At the same time why should we sell for less just cause he wants to go ??

his value is only gonna increase and like you say if it was another club selling him they would ask for more 

I think there needs to be a bit of realism. Yes we shouldn't sell for a stupid price but a championship club doesn't force a player of lavia's quality and potential to stay when champions league clubs come calling. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

10 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

At the same time why should we sell for less just cause he wants to go ??

his value is only gonna increase and like you say if it was another club selling him they would ask for more 

But it’s not another club selling him, it’s a championship club. If he was at Brighton or Fulham, it wouldn’t particularly be too bad for his career if he waited another year before going to a bigger club. He’d be a bit pissed off, but probably knuckle down and give his best for one more year. I doubt he’ll do that in the championship.
 

Theres no way playing in the championship will increase his value, however well he plays. Not a fucking chance. If we force him to stay the best we can hope for is clubs will pay what they’re willing to pay now (in relative terms), if we don’t go up we’ll get a lot less money for him in a years time. 

[Saint86]

5 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I don't think the club budge on £50Million. It's been set all Summer. 

Would show us to be weak if we suddenly just give in now, and personally it would take Lavia throwing his toys out of the pram go even Consider lowering it.

The club can see he is going to be a top top player, so I just can't see them dropping the price at all.

 

I think we'll wait until we get towards the end of the window. Reality is that prem clubs are going to get desperate. There has been a lot of central midfielder movement already and teams are going to miss out and will make moves for some of our players. We need to play the market correctly and try to predict which ones when building our own squad.

[Chez]

39 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think there needs to be a bit of realism. Yes we shouldn't sell for a stupid price but a championship club doesn't force a player of lavia's quality and potential to stay when champions league clubs come calling. 

Didn't Liverpool want Sander Berge but were consistently put off by Sheff United's price tag?

[Chez]

52 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

At the same time why should we sell for less just cause he wants to go ??

Exactly. This is why players have releases clauses. If his agent hasn't insisted on one, that's on him. 

Like others have said. We'll probably settle on £45m, although plenty of continental sides seem to be demanding X and getting X when the big Prem clubs come calling rather than accept a lower offer. 

[LaptopSaint]

£40-£45m is realistic as long as we are hard-arsed about a sell-on cut. I want 25% when he goes to Madrid for £150m in 2-3 years’ time. 

[derry]

City have a 2024 £40m buyback clause and a 20% sell on clause. That's what is underpinning the reported fee. Similar with Liveramento only a much higher percentage based on the actual fee. I think it's dawned on the predators that nobody is going for bargain prices unless we want to unload them, Aribo, Lyanco etc.

[pimpin4rizeal]

56 minutes ago, Chez said:

Exactly. This is why players have releases clauses. If his agent hasn't insisted on one, that's on him. 

Like others have said. We'll probably settle on £45m, although plenty of continental sides seem to be demanding X and getting X when the big Prem clubs come calling rather than accept a lower offer. 

Another factor is next year city could buy him back for 40 m right. assuming they would want to take this option selling for anything less then 50m now  equates to less then if we waited for city as they get 20 percent of the sale anyway selling for 50 this season equals the same .. would seem silly to take less for him just to appease the player 

[SherborneSaint]

With Mount having moved, and Rice on his way for big bucks, there will be a lot of cash about.

I hope that the club hold out for £50m, accepting that it is likely to be a structured deal over at least 3 years +… it would still be a good investment.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Ok imiginsry scenario 

if city came to us now saying they really would like Lavia back and made us a promise to activate the buy back what would you do then ?

we would get the same money 40m in our pocket as if we sold to Liverpool or whoever now for 50 plus get to keep him for a season ?

[CB Fry]

24 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Ok imiginsry scenario 

if city came to us now saying they really would like Lavia back and made us a promise to activate the buy back what would you do then ?

we would get the same money 40m in our pocket as if we sold to Liverpool or whoever now for 50 plus get to keep him for a season ?

This scenario is imaginary because it forgets there are three parties in this scenario.

Lavia will not be playing Championship football in a season with a European Championships at the end of it.

[SaintsFan86]

25 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Ok imiginsry scenario 

if city came to us now saying they really would like Lavia back and made us a promise to activate the buy back what would you do then ?

we would get the same money 40m in our pocket as if we sold to Liverpool or whoever now for 50 plus get to keep him for a season ?

Be better if Man City bought him back for 40, and then loaned him back. Win win.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

This scenario is imaginary because it forgets there are three parties in this scenario.

Lavia will not be playing Championship football in a season with a European Championships at the end of it.

Why not? It’s the sixth best league in the world! 

[CB Fry]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why not? It’s the sixth best league in the world! 

If you can do it in the cauldron that is Loftus Road you can do it anywhere.

[AlexLaw76]

More the fool is Lavia if he jumps ship right as we enter the next great "golden period"...

I guess it is all too complicated for Romeo to understand 

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

More the fool is Lavia if he jumps ship right as we enter the next great "golden period"...

I guess it is all too complicated for Romeo to understand 

THE GREATEST ERA IN OUR HISTORY

[niceandfriendly]

Lavia won’t stay as he won’t want the embarrassment of playing Bournemouth in a friendly. 

Edited 6 July, 2023 by niceandfriendly

[egg]

4 hours ago, niceandfriendly said:

Lavia won’t stay as he won’t want the embarrassment of playing Bournemouth in a friendly. 

More chance that he won't want the embarrassment of playing for fans who get all upset that we're playing Bournemouth in a friendly. He (and the other players) will probably quite like the idea of turning them over though. 

[Dman]

10 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

More the fool is Lavia if he jumps ship right as we enter the next great "golden period"...

I guess it is all too complicated for Romeo to understand 

WHY WOULD JOE SHIELS LEAVE CITY!!! (with one eye on fucking off at the earliest possible point) FOR A HUGE PROMOTION (and payrise) IF WE WERE A MESS OF A CLUB!!!

All Hail king Rassmus

[niceandfriendly]

1 hour ago, egg said:

More chance that he won't want the embarrassment of playing for fans who get all upset that we're playing Bournemouth in a friendly. He (and the other players) will probably quite like the idea of turning them over though. 

Never. I personally haven't been able to leave the house since we learned we are playing Bournemouth in a friendly. My confidence has gone through the floor and I struggle to look at myself in the mirror. CB Fry and I have been facetiming each other having good cries but it doesn't seem to be helping.

[coalman]

I don't think Lavia will stay but I don't see him going to Liverpool to warm their bench (given the amount they've spent on midfielders this summer). Arsenal seems more likely and him and Rice in the same midfield might give City pause for thought.

He came to use for first team football so I don't see him leaving us unless that's going to be the case. And, obviously, I'm still living in a deluded dreamland where he stays with us for one more season.

My head says Arsenal though.

[CSA96]

Sounds like Liverpool is the likely destination. Either that, or getting them to bid will smoke out a competitor

 

[kenneth_kenobi]

8 hours ago, CSA96 said:

Sounds like Liverpool is the likely destination. Either that, or getting them to bid will smoke out a competitor

 

We could do worse than get Henderson plus cash for him!!

Edited 13 July, 2023 by kenneth_kenobi

[DT]

Klopp talking to player pre transfer? A la van Dijk? Horrible the way that man does business.

He'll be amazing for them and sickening that all the Saints history will be erased by the pundits. Ah well. We move on.

No thanks to Henderson. He'll be off to pocket some Saudi cash too though, no doubt.

Had a few flickers of doubt over Martinball and the probably more sensible strategy of getting quality in to tighten up at the back. So I hope a good keeper is on the list and we can shift McCarthy out once and for all. Also hope the rumours of certain older CBs coming in are true too. That's how you mount a serious challenge: by being hard to beat first.

[Miltonaggro]

On 05/07/2023 at 21:32, CB Fry said:

If you can do it in the cauldron that is Loftus Road you can do it anywhere.

More of a Pyrex casserole dish from my past experience.

[SotonianWill]

Why are we only asking for £50m?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

43 minutes ago, kenneth_kenobi said:

We could do worse than get Henderson plus cash for him!!

He could pick up the passes from Fonte!

[coalman]

Just now, SotonianWill said:

Why are we only asking for £50m?

Because he's not a £100m player (yet). Given his age, potential and how well he did in one season in the premier league £50m seems about right.

[qwertyell]

2 hours ago, kenneth_kenobi said:

We could do worse than get Henderson plus cash for him!!

We'd probably have to match the £700k a week, tax free, the Saudis are allegedly offering.

So, no.

[VectisSaint]

Seemed a little odd that he played only about 30 minutes yesterday, almost everyone else played 45. Could also be argued that Charles is a potential replacement (would be better if he to strengthen). 

[Ribtickler]

Sad that he will ruin his career at Liverpool

All i will stay on the matter

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

Why are we only asking for £50m?

Whilst i agree, we should just be happy that the forum experts who said we could only ask £40M aren't in charge. Let alone the ones that said man city could dictate which clubs we were allowed to sell him to 😂

Edited 13 July, 2023 by Saint86

[Harry_SFC]

Looking pretty likely he's gonna end up at Liverpool then.

Tbh I don't care who he goes to as long as we get a decent transfer fee. £40-£50 million is 3-4 new signings at this level. 

[The Curse of St Mary's]

12 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Looking pretty likely he's gonna end up at Liverpool then.

Tbh I don't care who he goes to as long as we get a decent transfer fee. £40-£50 million is 3-4 new signings at this level. 

 We are not selling Lavia because we need the money its because he's far too good for us and deserves to be playing higher level. We will sign the players Martin thinks he needs in order to get us promoted regardless of Lavia leaving. Our squad is ridiculously bloated so I expect maybe two/three more additions (CB, ST and maybe GK or another CM) with at least 6 more players sold/loaned out

[Harry_SFC]

8 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

 We are not selling Lavia because we need the money its because he's far too good for us and deserves to be playing higher level. We will sign the players Martin thinks he needs in order to get us promoted regardless of Lavia leaving. Our squad is ridiculously bloated so I expect maybe two/three more additions (CB, ST and maybe GK or another CM) with at least 6 more players sold/loaned out

I know we don't need to the money but it allows us to strengthen in the areas required without the need to dip into extra funds. Surely that's a bonus considering the amount we've just lost because we got relegated...

Edited 13 July, 2023 by Harry_SFC

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, DT said:

Klopp talking to player pre transfer? A la van Dijk? Horrible the way that man does business.

Don’t be such a bloody Tart, that’s the way every single club does business, including us. 

[Saint86]

On 05/07/2023 at 13:16, Dman said:

Big clubs playing at the highest level can demand more for their players than a struggling championship clubs, shock horror.

Just checked and we aren't someone like Cardiff or Rotherham. i hope you can get your hopes up and start to enjoy saints again(!!), must be very miserable having such a negative view of our prospects!!

[Sunglasses Ron]

Great, several more years of the hilarious 'welcome to Liverpool in 2 years' jokes. 

[SaintTex]

5 hours ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

 We are not selling Lavia because we need the money its because he's far too good for us and deserves to be playing higher level. 

He doesn't deserve anything. Far too good for us? He was a key member of a squad that got relegated.

Now was he the best of the bunch? Sure.

If we don't need the money, why not keep him on and have him help us get promoted? Why is it the club's responsibility to sell him to a club/league that he/others may think he deserves to be playing at?

Edited 13 July, 2023 by SaintTex

[Saint IQ]

He's got a many years left on his contract, no need to sell. Best Belgium talent at still only 19 yrs old. Will probably go on to play over 100 games for his country so why would we want to sell him for less than 50m?

[Dark Munster]

8 hours ago, SaintTex said:

He doesn't deserve anything. Far too good for us? He was a key member of a squad that got relegated.

Now was he the best of the bunch? Sure.

If we don't need the money, why not keep him on and have him help us get promoted? Why is it the club's responsibility to sell him to a club/league that he/others may think he deserves to be playing at?

Whilst I agree with that general sentiment, maybe he agreed to sign for us with the understanding that we wouldn’t stand in his way if a big club came calling. Of course the price has to be right, and given the 40 million buy back clause with City he can’t complain if we insist on 50 million from someone else.