Romeo Lavia - Official: Signs for Not Liverpool

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

I haven't played much attention to the Juventus thing, but what was the issue here? Surely the value of the player is what the selling club deem them to be..?

It is, unless of course you’re deliberately coming to agreements that might favour you both tax/other club clause wise. Which is what got Juve into trouble (I don’t actually know the status of the punishment and whether it stood or not as it wasn’t just that issue Juve had)
 

For example, I think City’s lawyers might have some questions when they come to pick up their 20% clause cheque but realise it’s £5 million less than expected and at the same time Harvey Vale is being announced as a bargain signing. 

[a1ex2001]

On 09/06/2023 at 08:31, Fabrice29 said:

Doubt we’ll be taking players from Chelsea as part of the deal A) That doesn’t happen anymore and B) There will be all sorts of issues with valuation of the players we would take. It’s a part of what got Juventus into trouble. 

Nice little headline though. 

Swap deals haven’t really been a thing for years, there is always talk of it in the press but it just doesn’t happen even obvious ones you’d think were swaps were conducted as separate transfers like when we sold Bridge and got Le Saux and similarly when Kevin Davies went to Blackburn and we got Beattie.

[egg]

On 09/06/2023 at 08:31, Fabrice29 said:

Doubt we’ll be taking players from Chelsea as part of the deal A) That doesn’t happen anymore and B) There will be all sorts of issues with valuation of the players we would take. It’s a part of what got Juventus into trouble. 

Nice little headline though. 

 

23 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

There is more to it than that. HMRC and company accounting play a big part and there are also footballing financial regulations.

It's absolutely possible that a deal could involve players going both ways, whether permanent and/or loan. Sure, it's gotta be done the right way with paper transfer values attributed to each permanent deal, loan fees, and even paying up contracts or paying towards wages. The hard is going to be to getting Chelsea players being willing to come here. 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

 

It's absolutely possible that a deal could involve players going both ways, whether permanent and/or loan. Sure, it's gotta be done the right way with paper transfer values attributed to each permanent deal, loan fees, and even paying up contracts or paying towards wages. The hard is going to be to getting Chelsea players being willing to come here. 

True. Even I am struggling to make the commitment to turn up.

[CSA96]

 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

On 15/06/2023 at 13:22, CSA96 said:

 

Seems like there's still other clubs sniffing around (eg Arsenal, Man U) so wouldn't be surprised if he goes for £45m which would beat the initial estimation of us experts on here that initially valued him at £40m.

Maybe the Saints hierarchy thought: "we'll show them, they value Lavia at £40m, well we'll get £50m for him."

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Seems like there's still other clubs sniffing around (eg Arsenal, Man U) so wouldn't be surprised if he goes for £45m which would beat the initial estimation of us experts on here that initially valued him at £40m.

Maybe the Saints hierarchy thought: "we'll show them, they value Lavia at £40m, well we'll get £50m for him."

I think the issue is doesn't city have a sell on clause? So if we were to sell him to someone else we would end up with less than the 40 million their buy back clause is next year. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think the issue is doesn't city have a sell on clause? So if we were to sell him to someone else we would end up with less than the 40 million their buy back clause is next year. 

Good point, so surely we add that in to our sell fee?

 

[Turkish]

My sources tell me Arsenal are interested. A midfield of rice and Lavia would be class for them and be good for 7-8 years or so

Edited 17 June, 2023 by Turkish

[qwertyell]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

think the issue is doesn't city have a sell on clause? So if we were to sell him to someone else we would end up with less than the 40 million their buy back clause is next year. 

That sell on clause would probably also be subtracted from the alleged £40m buy back clause should City activate it. So more like £32m (if the clause is 20%).

Either way, we're not making the advertised price for Lavia once it's all been divvied out. 

[Billy the Kidd]

9 hours ago, Turkish said:

My sources tell me Arsenal are interested. A midfield of rice and Lavia would be class for them and be good for 7-8 years or so

I’m not sure Lavia will stay at Arsenal for 7-8 years. If he is as good as we think he can be, maybe they will only get a few years from him.

Edited 18 June, 2023 by Billy the Kidd

[Chez]

9 hours ago, qwertyell said:

That sell on clause would probably also be subtracted from the alleged £40m buy back clause should City activate it. So more like £32m (if the clause is 20%).

Either way, we're not making the advertised price for Lavia once it's all been divvied out. 

I know the Athletic suggested it in one article, but I find it hard to believe that the buy back and sell on clauses combine for City. Why not just say 20% sell on and £32m buy back?

you are right though. Once you pay the clauses, agents fee and probably a loyalty bonus to the player, our final take isn't going to be anywhere £50m thats for sure.

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, Billy the Kidd said:

I’m not sure Lavia will stay at Arsenal for 7-8 years. If he is as good as we think he can be, maybe they will only get a few years from him.

We need to whack a selling on fee as well.

[CB Fry]

10 hours ago, qwertyell said:

That sell on clause would probably also be subtracted from the alleged £40m buy back clause should City activate it. So more like £32m (if the clause is 20%).

Either way, we're not making the advertised price for Lavia once it's all been divvied out. 

Exactly. I love that on this forum there's still this belief that if we flog Lavia this summer we get all the money and City get nothing because the buy back isn't until next summer hahahahaha fuck youuuuu City

[S-Clarke]

Some really sad individuals out there who sit on twitter and make this shit up. Honestly, get a life.

[SaintsLoyal]

There is nothing worse these days than these two, the athletic and that Fabrizo bellend being leaked confidential material by scumbag agents.

On that front alone i would add £10M to the price tag with a massive sell on fee

coonts

Edited 19 June, 2023 by SaintsLoyal

[david in sweden]

one such report going the rounds is that ...  45 million MIGHT be too much for Arsenal to pay (haha)

If they are going to have to pay 100 million for Rice,  then 50 million would seem like a "steal " for Lavia.

He's too good "not to sign" and someone will have to put their money up front - sooner of later.

[Turkish]

On 18/06/2023 at 10:16, CB Fry said:

Exactly. I love that on this forum there's still this belief that if we flog Lavia this summer we get all the money and City get nothing because the buy back isn't until next summer hahahahaha fuck youuuuu City

We do deals when we want on our terms. And don’t you forget it

[sledger]

saints are in a strong(for once) bargaining position with jwp and lavia with both of them on lengthy contracts,if these so called big clubs want them that badly then pay the asking price or look elsewhere.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

According to football insider Lavia has verbal agreement with Arsenal

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-romeo-lavia-reaches-verbal-agreement-to-join-arsenal/

[IOWSaintDaz]

9 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

According to football insider Lavia has verbal agreement with Arsenal

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-romeo-lavia-reaches-verbal-agreement-to-join-arsenal/

It sounds a bit unlikely that any club would be allowed to have a verbal agreement with the player, In transfer dealings they first need to agree a fee with the club the player is contracted to this then enables them to talk to the players agent about personal terms. if they have talked to the Lavia directly they have made an illegal approach to force a move or am I mising something?

Whole there is undoubtable interest in Lavia from a varirty of clubs this has all the hallmarks of a typical click bait story from football insider which as usual has no credibility.

It is an attempt to unsettle the player, with the hope from Arsenal in getting a cut price deal for him like Liverpool have been touting about too

I hope Saints have diamond hands and hold out for the appropriate fee of around £50M

From Arsenals point of view this is just to replace Parteywho they want rid of. Personally I think with Arsenals approach for Declan Rice now reportedly pushing £100M would be their priority, i don't think Lavia for around £50M too would make alot of sense for Arsenal for 2 players in the same position costing that much. It will surely be one or the other, if the Rice move fails then they will go for Lavia, lets not forget they also have Jorghino too.

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, IOWSaintDaz said:

It sounds a bit unlikely that any club would be allowed to have a verbal agreement with the player, In transfer dealings they first need to agree a fee with the club the player is contracted to this then enables them to talk to the players agent about personal terms. if they have talked to the Lavia directly they have made an illegal approach to force a move or am I mising something?

Whole there is undoubtable interest in Lavia from a varirty of clubs this has all the hallmarks of a typical click bait story from football insider which as usual has no credibility.

It is an attempt to unsettle the player, with the hope from Arsenal in getting a cut price deal for him like Liverpool have been touting about too

I hope Saints have diamond hands and hold out for the appropriate fee of around £50M

From Arsenals point of view this is just to replace Parteywho they want rid of. Personally I think with Arsenals approach for Declan Rice now reportedly pushing £100M would be their priority, i don't think Lavia for around £50M too would make alot of sense for Arsenal for 2 players in the same position costing that much. It will surely be one or the other, if the Rice move fails then they will go for Lavia, lets not forget they also have Jorghino too.

that stopped being a thing ages ago.

[StrangelyBrown]

2 hours ago, IOWSaintDaz said:

It sounds a bit unlikely that any club would be allowed to have a verbal agreement with the player, In transfer dealings they first need to agree a fee with the club the player is contracted to this then enables them to talk to the players agent about personal terms. if they have talked to the Lavia directly they have made an illegal approach to force a move or am I mising something?

Whole there is undoubtable interest in Lavia from a varirty of clubs this has all the hallmarks of a typical click bait story from football insider which as usual has no credibility.

It is an attempt to unsettle the player, with the hope from Arsenal in getting a cut price deal for him like Liverpool have been touting about too

I hope Saints have diamond hands and hold out for the appropriate fee of around £50M

From Arsenals point of view this is just to replace Parteywho they want rid of. Personally I think with Arsenals approach for Declan Rice now reportedly pushing £100M would be their priority, i don't think Lavia for around £50M too would make alot of sense for Arsenal for 2 players in the same position costing that much. It will surely be one or the other, if the Rice move fails then they will go for Lavia, lets not forget they also have Jorghino too.

I'm not sure articles on football insider are going to unsettle anyone - in the main it's a load of speculative tosh. Undoubtedly there will be some speculation based on inside info, but that will be the result of conversations with Lavia's agent, which would genuinely be unsettling.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, IOWSaintDaz said:

It sounds a bit unlikely that any club would be allowed to have a verbal agreement with the player, In transfer dealings they first need to agree a fee with the club the player is contracted to this then enables them to talk to the players agent about personal terms. if they have talked to the Lavia directly they have made an illegal approach to force a move or am I mising something?

Whole there is undoubtable interest in Lavia from a varirty of clubs this has all the hallmarks of a typical click bait story from football insider which as usual has no credibility.

It is an attempt to unsettle the player, with the hope from Arsenal in getting a cut price deal for him like Liverpool have been touting about too

I hope Saints have diamond hands and hold out for the appropriate fee of around £50M

From Arsenals point of view this is just to replace Parteywho they want rid of. Personally I think with Arsenals approach for Declan Rice now reportedly pushing £100M would be their priority, i don't think Lavia for around £50M too would make alot of sense for Arsenal for 2 players in the same position costing that much. It will surely be one or the other, if the Rice move fails then they will go for Lavia, lets not forget they also have Jorghino too.

Not used to this transfer stuff are you?

[Chez]

On 24/06/2023 at 12:19, IOWSaintDaz said:

It sounds a bit unlikely that any club would be allowed to have a verbal agreement with the player, In transfer dealings they first need to agree a fee with the club the player is contracted to this then enables them to talk to the players agent about personal terms. if they have talked to the Lavia directly they have made an illegal approach to force a move or am I missing something?

This is how it's actually done:

1. Call players agent and find out if he fancies the move and what money the player wants.

2. Agree personal terms with agent/player.

3. Call selling club and find out how much they want.

[Charlie Mealings]

Lavia and Ward-Prowse are entering the hottest market for no. 6s in years: Bellingham, Rice, Caicedo, Lavia, Tonali, Phillips, Kovacic and Ward-Prowse. All the top clubs are in. But while Lavia has completely disrupted the market, the skipper's prospects feel really slim. The change in fortunes over 12 months is wild. Wrote a bit about this here:

 

https://www.statemarys.com/p/starboy-and-the-skipper-destinations

 

BTW fascinating to read back some of the comments on the start of this thread, Lavia was on his way here...

[hypochondriac]

25 minutes ago, Charlie Mealings said:

Lavia and Ward-Prowse are entering the hottest market for no. 6s in years: Bellingham, Rice, Caicedo, Lavia, Tonali, Phillips, Kovacic and Ward-Prowse. All the top clubs are in. But while Lavia has completely disrupted the market, the skipper's prospects feel really slim. The change in fortunes over 12 months is wild. Wrote a bit about this here:

 

https://www.statemarys.com/p/starboy-and-the-skipper-destinations

 

BTW fascinating to read back some of the comments on the start of this thread, Lavia was on his way here...

Good article. I do feel like West Ham is the most likely destination once they've sold Rice. With European football it would be hard for him to turn down. 

[david in sweden]

On 27/06/2023 at 15:08, Chez said:

This is how it's actually done:

1. Call players agent and find out if he fancies the move and what money the player wants.

2. Agree personal terms with agent/player.

3. Call selling club and find out how much they want.

YES  Chez ..looking at your point 3 ... the interesting thing (to me) has always been .. How much is " a big fee " ?

Clearly any club with a billionaire owner treats a 40-50 million transfer fee as " a normal transaction", whereas a 20 million fee 

has always seemed like "the 4 minute mile barrier" for Saints and most of the other clubs in ( or presently ) outside of the Prem.

 

Like many of the smaller clubs we were " breaking the sound barrier" when it came to paying more than that for a player. 

(Apparently ....Burnley have never paid more than 15 million for any player )... at least until now.

Rory Delap's 4 million (club record in 2000), stood for over 10 years until we signed Jay Rodriguez for... 7 million (?) ,

after which Nicola Cortese went out and borrowed huge money which were promptly squandered on Osvaldo and Ramirez and

suddenly  15 million became " par for the course "  in Saints' reckoning.  Whereas the desperation purchase (20 million) of Carrillo

was a  huge disaster, the same amount paid out for Danny Ings was clearly a life-saver at the time. 

 

Now we face the prospect of getting  40 million plus for Lavia,  I begin to wonder where will Saints land in the transfer market?

Clearly we won't break any records whilst still a Championship club, but what will be " the norm ",  if / when we return to the top tier?

Our new owners will need very deep pockets if we are to compete with the rich clubs in the future? 

 

 

[The Curse of St Mary's]

https://www.facebook.com/100044283376917/posts/833298498156255/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

 

RL finally in a preseason photo. Definitely Lavia this time not Salisu 😬

[LiberalCommunist]

Man, I hope he stays, even if its just for one more season. 

[richardc]

2 hours ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

https://www.facebook.com/100044283376917/posts/833298498156255/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

 

RL finally in a preseason photo. Definitely Lavia this time not Salisu 😬

Bloody hell he's actually smiling - which probably means his sale is already sorted

[Saint_clark]

Think Liverpool would hinder his career personally. They have so many CM players that their fans are seeing Lavia as an option for the future in a couple of years - he's good enough for the Prem right now. If he's going somewhere it needs to be somewhere he is playing.

[revolution saint]

9 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Think Liverpool would hinder his career personally. They have so many CM players that their fans are seeing Lavia as an option for the future in a couple of years - he's good enough for the Prem right now. If he's going somewhere it needs to be somewhere he is playing.

That's an issue for him but, for what it's worth, I agree.  He's already good enough to be playing regularly for a top side. 

What happens to him after he leaves isn't our concern though and I'd be happy for him to get snapped up by a Saudi club and spend the best years of his career in a football wilderness if it meant we got more money for him.

[Smirking_Saint]

On 28/06/2023 at 08:42, Charlie Mealings said:

Lavia and Ward-Prowse are entering the hottest market for no. 6s in years: Bellingham, Rice, Caicedo, Lavia, Tonali, Phillips, Kovacic and Ward-Prowse. All the top clubs are in. But while Lavia has completely disrupted the market, the skipper's prospects feel really slim. The change in fortunes over 12 months is wild. Wrote a bit about this here:

 

https://www.statemarys.com/p/starboy-and-the-skipper-destinations

 

BTW fascinating to read back some of the comments on the start of this thread, Lavia was on his way here...

To be pedantic Id say Bellingham, Kovacic and probably both Caicedo and JWP are more 8s then they are 6s… the latter two you can argue are a bit of an almagamation of both but there we are

Rice is arguably the best No.6 currently on the market but at a huge price point, Tonali is a decent signing, Lavia is probably the best option unless you need a world class starter due to his age and his likely relative lower fee

You’ve also got Ugarte, another stand out young 6 that will be on the move too

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Think Liverpool would hinder his career personally. They have so many CM players that their fans are seeing Lavia as an option for the future in a couple of years - he's good enough for the Prem right now. If he's going somewhere it needs to be somewhere he is playing.

He’ll get plenty of playing time at Liverpool. Only Fabinho ahead of him in that deep lying position and he can learn from him and put pressure on him also. Big platform that will boost him into the Belgium squad. Good environment that won’t turn toxic unlike Chelsea for example too. Maybe Arsenal equally as good as an opportunity as well but I feel like Liverpool would be best for his development. Will be interesting to see where he fancies. 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Think Liverpool would hinder his career personally. They have so many CM players that their fans are seeing Lavia as an option for the future in a couple of years - he's good enough for the Prem right now. If he's going somewhere it needs to be somewhere he is playing.

West Ham.

[Chez]

24 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

 

You’ve also got Ugarte, another stand out young 6 that will be on the move too

off to PSG according to several papers. 

[Saint_clark]

13 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

He’ll get plenty of playing time at Liverpool. Only Fabinho ahead of him in that deep lying position and he can learn from him and put pressure on him also. Big platform that will boost him into the Belgium squad. Good environment that won’t turn toxic unlike Chelsea for example too. Maybe Arsenal equally as good as an opportunity as well but I feel like Liverpool would be best for his development. Will be interesting to see where he fancies. 

They've also got Henderson and thiago that play that role, and a couple of youngsters coming through themselves that will be needing game time. 

[Smirking_Saint]

50 minutes ago, Chez said:

off to PSG according to several papers. 

Seems very likely, just adding to the general list of available talented No.6s this window

[Fabrice29]

3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

They've also got Henderson and thiago that play that role, and a couple of youngsters coming through themselves that will be needing game time. 

Thiago will go and if they had youngsters in that position they wanted to play they wouldn't be keen on Lavia.

[SaintsLoyal]

I make it around a good £10 Million thats been added to his transfer value due to the usual suspects gobbing off, that Fab knob and the tiresome athletic.

[HarvSFC]

Tapping up seems a lot more common now since the last time we got a half hearted apology.

[AlexLaw76]

7 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

Tapping up seems a lot more common now since the last time we got a half hearted apology.

You do realise everyone does it? Contact an agent first is the norm.  How do you think we got Russell Martin?

[Convict Colony]

10 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

Tapping up seems a lot more common now since the last time we got a half hearted apology.

This window Romano has finally jumped the shark for me, he used to give news not recycled garbage about interest, now he's just a full on attention whore like everyone else.

[hypochondriac]

There's an argument that jwp and Tino are overpriced. I don't see how anyone could seriously argue that Lavia is at 50 million. There isn't a better u-20 player in the Premier league. 

[HarvSFC]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You do realise everyone does it? Contact an agent first is the norm.  How do you think we got Russell Martin?

That's the point. It all seems a bit underhand now. We got into Martin's head, meaning Swansea had to give up Martin without agreeing a compensation package with us and leaving it to the courts.

Liverpool will probably get into Lavia's head, as they did Van Dijk's, ensure he only wants Liverpool, thus stopping a potential bidding war while making sure he doesn't want to be at Southampton anymore and getting him at a lower fee than the £50m we've put him on.

Something that was once frowned upon, but never really sanctioned is now all out in the public.

£50m is a good price for Lavia in the current market. 19 year old Belgium international who has held his own in the Premier League in one of the toughest positions to play in as a young player against fully grown adults.

Declan Rice £105m, Moises Caicedo £85m and Joao Palhinha £80m+. Lavia probably the best value considering he also counts as homegrown and has years and a bigger ceiling than them.

[Dman]

48 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There's an argument that jwp and Tino are overpriced. I don't see how anyone could seriously argue that Lavia is at 50 million. There isn't a better u-20 player in the Premier league. 

Whilst I agree, I just don't think he's worth the risk to clubs at £50m. He's Absolutely worth it, FWIW, but I think clubs will look elsewhere for 'better value'.  

You're paying a premium for potential. We all know he's got it, but will bigger clubs risk it? We've shot ourselves in the foot with relegation, another season in the PL and his starting value would have been £50m

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, Dman said:

Whilst I agree, I just don't think he's worth the risk to clubs at £50m. He's Absolutely worth it, FWIW, but I think clubs will look elsewhere for 'better value'.  

You're paying a premium for potential. We all know he's got it, but will bigger clubs risk it? We've shot ourselves in the foot with relegation, another season in the PL and his starting value would have been £50m

Hard disagree. Given his age and the price of players in the prem now, he's easily worth 50 million. It's not potential he's already an excellent player and will just get better. If he was at a big club already then 50 million would be seen as a decent price. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Hard disagree. Given his age and the price of players in the prem now, he's easily worth 50 million. It's not potential he's already an excellent player and will just get better. If he was at a big club already then 50 million would be seen as a decent price. 

If this was played out the other way, and he was already a Liverpool player, and say Real Madrid wanted him, there is absolutely no way Liverpool would sell for anything less than 50m.

[Dman]

3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If this was played out the other way, and he was already a Liverpool player, and say Real Madrid wanted him, there is absolutely no way Liverpool would sell for anything less than 50m.

We're not Liverpool, we're not even a PL side anymore. That comparison is ridiculous.