Women’s Football

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

 

It never happens in other sports. If a woman wins gold in the commonwealth games 800m, nobody will be saying, “she’ll be very disappointed with that performance, 20 seconds behind the slowest mens time.”

Katherine Brunt is "England's leading T20 wicket taker".

[Lighthouse]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Happiness is a journey not a destiation soggy.

F**k me, who died and made you Dalai Lama?

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

F**k me, who died and made you Dalai Lama?

Im just providing some hope for those who feel that it's all too much. If you need something you have no control over to cheer you up, then it suggests you are yet to recognise this.  Happiness is not made for you, it comes from your own actions. 

[badgerx16]

28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Christ almighty. The women’s national football team have just won a major tournament and become the best in Europe, something the men’s team have never done, ,...,...

Surely being the best in the World in 1966 by definition made them the best in Europe ?

[angelman]

25 minutes ago, whelk said:

What I don’t get is all these people who want to put the Lionesses into death camps?Enjoy the game you horrible people

I think too many sometimes want to judge the men's and women's games the same, so that they can then pronounce the women's game as being inferior. The same rules of course apply to both, but we all know why the differences come about. I heard some commentators saying today that it was a different game to the men's one, but it's not, it's the same game played at a different physical level (which of course was what the bloke from the Sun was meaning). We don't compare men's England team to the U18s and be disparaging.

As an aside....not sure if I mentioned on here, but years ago I heard an interview on R5L by an England player (woman) either current or just retired (can't recall), who thought that playing on slightly smaller pitches might improve the game. Not heard that mentioned by anyone since, but do wonder whether there might be something in it. Of course it is a tricky question without wanting to come across as being condescending, but if you look at cricket, the boundaries in the women's game are brought in quite a fair way. 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, angelman said:

I think too many sometimes want to judge the men's and women's games the same, so that they can then pronounce the women's game as being inferior. The same rules of course apply to both, but we all know why the differences come about. I heard some commentators saying today that it was a different game to the men's one, but it's not, it's the same game played at a different physical level (which of course was what the bloke from the Sun was meaning). We don't compare men's England team to the U18s and be disparaging.

As an aside....not sure if I mentioned on here, but years ago I heard an interview on R5L by an England player (woman) either current or just retired (can't recall), who thought that playing on slightly smaller pitches might improve the game. Not heard that mentioned by anyone since, but do wonder whether there might be something in it. Of course it is a tricky question without wanting to come across as being condescending, but if you look at cricket, the boundaries in the women's game are brought in quite a fair way. 

The main thing they should do is make the goals slightly smaller. I think that would improve things a lot. 

[Fan The Flames]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The main thing they should do is make the goals slightly smaller. I think that would improve things a lot. 

A 4.5 size ball I reckon would help the skill level.

[Turkish]

Just put radio 5 on and they were going on about what a great family friendly atmopshere it is at womens football, none of the problems there was at last years mens final. I guess that'll be another hobby horse now, much like "you dont get fans behaving like that in rugby"

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just put radio 5 on and they were going on about what a great family friendly atmopshere it is at womens football, none of the problems there was at last years mens final. I guess that'll be another hobby horse now, much like "you dont get fans behaving like that in rugby"

To be fair I think certain people would much prefer a family friendly atmosphere at the football. It would solve an awful lot of problems for those types of people. The main problem is it makes the atmosphere as flat as a pancake. 

[jawillwill]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just put radio 5 on and they were going on about what a great family friendly atmopshere it is at womens football, none of the problems there was at last years mens final. I guess that'll be another hobby horse now, much like "you dont get fans behaving like that in rugby"

What do you disagree with?

[Manuel]

26 minutes ago, angelman said:

I think too many sometimes want to judge the men's and women's games the same, so that they can then pronounce the women's game as being inferior. The same rules of course apply to both, but we all know why the differences come about. I heard some commentators saying today that it was a different game to the men's one, but it's not, it's the same game played at a different physical level (which of course was what the bloke from the Sun was meaning). We don't compare men's England team to the U18s and be disparaging.

As an aside....not sure if I mentioned on here, but years ago I heard an interview on R5L by an England player (woman) either current or just retired (can't recall), who thought that playing on slightly smaller pitches might improve the game. Not heard that mentioned by anyone since, but do wonder whether there might be something in it. Of course it is a tricky question without wanting to come across as being condescending, but if you look at cricket, the boundaries in the women's game are brought in quite a fair way. 

Yes.  As a spectacle, there are some sports that are improved when women play them.  Tennis is a good example where the slower play and less power makes for better rallies, and games that aren't so dominated by the serve.  Much more entertaining, in my opinion. 

Slowing football down, reducing the power doesn't bring any extra benefits to the game for me though.  Having said that I still enjoy the games for what they are, same as I enjoy any competitive football game, whoever's playing it and whatever standard. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Manuel said:

Yes.  As a spectacle, there are some sports that are improved when women play them.  Tennis is a good example where the slower play and less power makes for better rallies, and games that aren't so dominated by the serve.  Much more entertaining, in my opinion. 

Slowing football down, reducing the power doesn't bring any extra benefits to the game for me though.  Having said that I still enjoy the games for what they are, same as I enjoy any competitive football game, whoever's playing it and whatever standard. 

Not sure I can agree with you there. I've never seen a women's tennis match come close to a Nadal Federer Wimbledon final for example. 

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, jawillwill said:

What do you disagree with?

i didn't say i did. Point being that it's another example of trying to "prove" it's somehow superior to the mens game.

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

To be fair I think certain people would much prefer a family friendly atmosphere at the football. It would solve an awful lot of problems for those types of people. The main problem is it makes the atmosphere as flat as a pancake. 

Maybe rainbow Saints could start following them as some of the said they are too scared to go to the mens game. With their 40+ members they're growing as fast as the womens game anyway.

[East Kent Saint]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just put radio 5 on and they were going on about what a great family friendly atmopshere it is at womens football, none of the problems there was at last years mens final. I guess that'll be another hobby horse now, much like "you dont get fans behaving like that in rugby"

Rugby fans are worse these days , spill over into F1 as well ….

[AlexLaw76]

25 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Rugby fans are worse these days , spill over into F1 as well ….

Wont be long before aggro takes place at the Ryder Cup. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Just put radio 5 on and they were going on about what a great family friendly atmopshere it is at womens football, none of the problems there was at last years mens final. I guess that'll be another hobby horse now, much like "you dont get fans behaving like that in rugby"

Jeremy Vine is pretty unbearable most of the time but he’s off the scale today. The funny thing is we’re told not to compare it to mens football but he’s spent the first 20mins doing just that. No aggro, seen plenty of men miss  chances similar to the first goal, and the most laughable, English players got racist abuse for missing a penalty. Number one, the birds won, number 2, nobody missed a penalty and number 3, there’s only whitey playing “footy”. Completely and utterly different situations. 
 

Well played, they did well. I’m pleased for them, like I was pleased for Jessica Ennis and the sweaty curling team, but the hype is off the scale. It’ll be like most Olympic sports, forgotten about by most sports fans when decent  football starts next week. 

Edited 1 August, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Maybe vegans, women, those who sit down to pee and sadoldgit, can be the hardcore support for Southampton ladies, and everyone else can follow the men?

that'll be a happy solution for everyone and would get rid of a lot of the whinging about inclusivity. Mind you not sure it's a good idea for Sadoldgit to be around too many women......

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Jeremy Vine is pretty unbearable most of the time but he’s off the scale today. The funny thing is we’re told not to compare it to mens football but he’s spent the first 20mins doing just that. No aggro, seen plenty of men miss  chances similar to the first goal, and the most laughable, English players got racist abuse for missing a penalty. Number one, the birds won, number 2, nobody missed a penalty and number 3, there’s only whitey playing “footy”. Completely and utterly different situations. 
 

Well played, they did well. I’m pleased for them, like I was pleased for Jessica Ennis and the sweaty curling team, but the hype is off the scale. It’ll be like most Olympic sports, forgotten about by most sports fans when decent  football starts next week. 

I suspect it'll be similar to a few years back when there was a very good ashes series and for a couple of weeks the news was full of how great a sport cricket it, much better than football which is boring etc. As soon as the season started it stopped and everyone just went back to normal. I enjoyed the tournement much more than i thought i would and chuffed to win it but the one thing that has ruined it is the amount of people falling over each other to convince us all and probably themselves, that it's so amazing using it as a chance to be self righteous rather than just going with it and enjoying it. Some of the stuff said and written has been utter laughable bollox but lapped up by those desperate to show how much they care.

[whelk]

Where is arse flare man?

[Turkish]

29 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Wont be long before aggro takes place at the Ryder Cup. 

Lets see if the US bring a mob to Rome next year, bet they dont.....

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Wont be long before aggro takes place at the Ryder Cup. 

Happened already in USA , crowd all saw where Europeans drive went but said nothing . Our man had to return to the tee etc . Other instances such as running over the green before we have putted out etc.

[angelman]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

The main thing they should do is make the goals slightly smaller. I think that would improve things a lot. 

IIRC, and it was a long time ago, the lady saying about smaller pitches, also mentioned smaller goals too.

[edprice1984]

I went yesterday with my 10 year old daughter. She has played football for the last 4 years and we have been to a few Womens' Internationals, England Men v Croatia (Nations League) and a few Saints games - mainly friendlies until the Coventry FA Cup game this year.

Firstly the atmosphere at a women's match is far more family friendly. Many many more women, families and kids than you would ever see at a Premier League game or Men's International. It isn't, however, devoid of morons. There were two blokes who were escorted out by police and stewards (with very upset kids and wives in tow) just after the Germany equaliser. Another chap tried to start singing 'Ten German bombers' in the Mens toilets in between full time and extra time - I firmly told him to stop (which he did and looked quite sheepish after too).

There were clearly some people who had been on the pop all afternoon and couldn't handle it. I also saw some supporters be very rude to stewards at the end of the game. 

But comparing that to the fighting at the Saints v Coventry game (in the Itchen) and the idiots who were looking for fights after the game it is chalk and cheese. The issues at Wembley yesterday were in the very real minority - it was probably the most lovely atmosphere I have experienced at a big game. Thank god we won and my daughter was there to see it!

[benjii]

3 hours ago, Manuel said:

Yes.  As a spectacle, there are some sports that are improved when women play them.  Tennis is a good example where the slower play and less power makes for better rallies, and games that aren't so dominated by the serve.  Much more entertaining, in my opinion. 

Slowing football down, reducing the power doesn't bring any extra benefits to the game for me though.  Having said that I still enjoy the games for what they are, same as I enjoy any competitive football game, whoever's playing it and whatever standard. 

That was arguably true of tennis about 25 years ago. Not now. There is more variety and invention in the men's game and the gulf in quality is just as wide as it is in most sports. There are still a few people who rely massively on their serves but the most successful male players of the last 25 years haven't don't so.

 

[hypochondriac]

There were bellends on both sides of the culture war trying to score points rather than applaud a good achievement and some positivity. Wankers on social media using the win to bang on about biological women and then people in the other side moaning about jokes when she took her top off. It's just not the time or place for any of it. 

[david in sweden]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Surely being the best in the World in 1966 by definition made them the best in Europe ?

...and something to tell our grandchildren about   .....

[LGTL]

Great result for the Lionesses but some of the hyperbole was OTT. Girls have had fantastic opportunities for the last 10+ years in Football but only recently has that started to come to fruition with more girls actually wanting to play. We had a good team and a good manager and so won the Euro’s. The very fact we’ve won it shows the pathway was available for these girls. I highly doubt Chloe Kelly was crying through the classroom window watching the boys play when she was at school a few years ago. 

[Plastic]

[The Cat]

£40 for an adult season ticket, £10 for U18's. Dirt cheap.

Any idea how much normal match tickets will be? I presume a bit more than last season considering they are using St Mary's this time.

There's no way I could go every week to mens games on Saturdays and then women's on Sundays. Especially when you throw in mens games which are rearranged for TV and away matches, but I'm keen to go to some games. Just not sure it's worth getting a season ticket if I will miss maybe half the games.

[Turkish]

Bloody hell Emma Haynes on C4 news asking for the same funding as men and some sports marketing director claiming mens football attracts used car dealers whereas womens football has premium brands like Barclays, visa, Heineken. 
 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Bloody hell Emma Haynes on C4 news asking for the same funding as men and some sports marketing director claiming mens football attracts used car dealers whereas womens football has premium brands like Barclays, visa, Heineken. 
 

 

Aren't they the generic UEFA sponsors?

[Plastic]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Bloody hell Emma Haynes on C4 news asking for the same funding as men and some sports marketing director claiming mens football attracts used car dealers whereas womens football has premium brands like Barclays, visa, Heineken. 

Lol, used car dealers  

The era of male football having a monopoly (and charging prices to match) may be drawing to a close.

We have all be calling for it, every year it gets more expensive, less fan-focused, more corporate. We all expected the bubble to burst eventually, but not like this. Could the success of the Women's game become the great leveller which finally resets the game in the UK? Don't count on it, but I'd appreciate the irony. 

Edited 1 August, 2022 by Plastic

[whelk]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Bloody hell Emma Haynes on C4 news asking for the same funding as men and some sports marketing director claiming mens football attracts used car dealers whereas womens football has premium brands like Barclays, visa, Heineken. 
 

 

Pay them the same as men

[JRM]

56 minutes ago, The Cat said:

£40 for an adult season ticket, £10 for U18's. Dirt cheap.

Any idea how much normal match tickets will be? I presume a bit more than last season considering they are using St Mary's this time.

There's no way I could go every week to mens games on Saturdays and then women's on Sundays. Especially when you throw in mens games which are rearranged for TV and away matches, but I'm keen to go to some games. Just not sure it's worth getting a season ticket if I will miss maybe half the games.

There's only 10 home league games aren't there? Guess that explains partly the low cost 

[warwicksaint]

18 minutes ago, whelk said:

Pay them the same as men

Okay I’ll bite. These football clubs aren’t charities, they’re businesses. Wages and salaries are driven by the demand it creates, which right now is not there for the womens game (let’s see what happens next few years). The obscene money that comes from mens football is predominantly driven by TV revenue - if any club paid the women what the men are on, they’d be making a ridiculously large loss and be out of business within a few years, it’s not simply going to change overnight. This tournament has been a great step in the right direction but there’s a long way to go. 
 

End of the day, I just can’t see enough people prepared to trek away 150 miles on a wet Tuesday night to support their women’s team to drive it to the same level as mens. It’s just not in the culture. 

Edited 1 August, 2022 by warwicksaint

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, warwicksaint said:

Okay I’ll bite. These football clubs aren’t charities, they’re businesses. Wages and salaries are driven by the demand it creates, which right now is not there for the womens game (let’s see what happens next few years). The obscene money that comes from mens football is predominantly driven by TV revenue - if any club paid the women what the men are on, they’d be making a ridiculously large loss and be out of business within a few years, it’s not simply going to change overnight. This tour Manet has been a great step in the right direction but there’s a long way to go. 
 

End of the day, I just can’t see enough people prepared to trek away 150 miles on a wet Tuesday night to support their women’s team to drive it to the same level as mens. It’s just not in the culture. 

Surely the payment is compensation for the time spent training, developing, travelling to games etc.  It looks like you're saying a man's time is far more valuable than a woman's...

[warwicksaint]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Surely the payment is compensation for the time spent training, developing, travelling to games etc.  It looks like you're saying a man's time is far more valuable than a woman's...

which part am i saying that?

[Weston Super Saint]

11 minutes ago, warwicksaint said:

which part am i saying that?

The bit where you say the men deserve more money than the women....

[CB Fry]

44 minutes ago, Plastic said:

Lol, used car dealers  

The era of male football having a monopoly (and charging prices to match) may be drawing to a close.

We have all be calling for it, every year it gets more expensive, less fan-focused, more corporate. We all expected the bubble to burst eventually, but not like this. Could the success of the Women's game become the great leveller which finally resets the game in the UK? Don't count on it, but I'd appreciate the irony. 

I'm a bit lost as to what bubble has burst exactly?

Premier League TV deal currently £5.1bn until 2025. For UK broadcast only.

Honestly they did great but right now this is up there with "everyone loves cricket now" (Flintoff Ashes) "everyone loves Rugby now" (World Cup) and only slightly bigger than "everyone loves Curling/Cycling/Pokemon Go/Pentathlon/Hockey now".

 

Edited 1 August, 2022 by CB Fry

[egg]

15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Surely the payment is compensation for the time spent training, developing, travelling to games etc.  It looks like you're saying a man's time is far more valuable than a woman's...

...in women's tennis a man's time is less valuable than a woman's. Same prize money at Wimbledon for the ladies best of 3 set tournament as the mens's best of 5.

On topic, the men's game pulls in the cash, and pays it out accordingly. When the women's game has the same commercial appeal, it'll have an easy case for financial parity. Until then, there's no case for financial parity. 

[warwicksaint]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The bit where you say the men deserve more money than the women....

At no point did i say they deserve more money, you’ve completely missed the point I’m making. 

nobody “deserves” more or less. Their wages are completely based on supply and demand and right now there’s a way higher demand for mens football, hence why they earn more. 
 

for what it’s worth i hope the womens game does develop and attract similar numbers to the male game 

[Plastic]

6 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I'm a bit lost as to what bubble has burst exactly?

Premier League TV deal currently £5.1bn until 2025. For UK broadcast only.

Honestly they did great but right now this is up there with "everyone loves cricket now" (Flintoff Ashes) "everyone loves Rugby now" (World Cup) and only slightly bigger than "everyone loves Curling/Cycling/Pokemon Go/Pentathlon/Hockey now".

 

Is Pokemon Go not the in thing any more? Shame

It was more of a 'what if' than a 'this has happened', but I guess you knew that already.

[AlexLaw76]

If Ian Wright has his way, the ladies domestic fixtures will kick off at times to clash with the mens. That will do nothing but kill off the sport IMO

[whelk]

16 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I'm a bit lost as to what bubble has burst exactly?

Premier League TV deal currently £5.1bn until 2025. For UK broadcast only.

Honestly they did great but right now this is up there with "everyone loves cricket now" (Flintoff Ashes) "everyone loves Rugby now" (World Cup) and only slightly bigger than "everyone loves Curling/Cycling/Pokemon Go/Pentathlon/Hockey now".

 

Greg Rutherford inspired kids to jump everywhere

[Lighthouse]

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

Greg Rutherford inspired kids to jump everywhere

I thought that was the Pointer Sisters?

[The Cat]

21 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I thought that was the Pointer Sisters?

I was thinking more Kriss Kross.

[whelk]

Van Halen anyone?

[rallyboy]

I was surprised not to see more about the victory on TV today, barely a mention.

The media seem more interested in some drunken karaoke competition in Trafalgar Square, how quickly they move on.

[Lighthouse]

15 hours ago, whelk said:

Van Halen anyone?

Cypress Hill?