Danny ings return

[waylander]

Would take him. Don't think it will happen.

[LuckyNumber7]

We know that if he can stay fit he is proven quality and fits our system. Is clearly better than any of our other forwards. For the right price I would have him back.

I don't see a queue of quality strikers lining up to join us within our budget. Ideally we'd bring in two strikers this summer to replace Broja and Long/Armstrong. A bit of experience and known quantity in Ings, plus a younger striker probably from some foreign league would do nicely. I understand the concerns over his fitness but don't think he had too many injury problems last season, mainly just fell out of favour with Gerrard.

It won't happen anyway so it's all academic.

[once_bitterne]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Only an absolute sandwich would turn down a 30 year old with dodgy knees, who’s just scored 7 goals in a season? If his name was Fred Bloggs and he had no prior connection to Saints, would you still be raving about his calibre of player?

Yes, if Fred Bloggs was only two seasons away from where he scored 22 PL goals.  I can't see where else we could hope to get a player who could reach those levels.  It certainly won't come from Adams or Armstrong.

[Lighthouse]

11 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

Yes, if Fred Bloggs was only two seasons away from where he scored 22 PL goals.  I can't see where else we could hope to get a player who could reach those levels.  It certainly won't come from Adams or Armstrong.

But he’s only zero seasons away from when he scored seven goals, one season away from scoring twelve goals and three seasons away from scoring seven goals again.  Why is the 22 goal Danny Ings going to be the one we get back, if he returns, out of his four most recent seasons?

 

We spend a lot of money and employ a fair few people to see things the rest of us don’t and research players we’ve never heard of. We rely on taking a risk on undiscovered players to try and gain some sort of edge. If we’re signing an established PL regular, that’s generally because someone were competing with has deemed him surplus to requirements and he’s not good enough to generate interest elsewhere. This is just Walcott all over again, nostalgia based on mediocre past glories.

[Sunglasses Ron]

33 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

But he’s only zero seasons away from when he scored seven goals, one season away from scoring twelve goals and three seasons away from scoring seven goals again.  Why is the 22 goal Danny Ings going to be the one we get back, if he returns, out of his four most recent seasons?

 

We spend a lot of money and employ a fair few people to see things the rest of us don’t and research players we’ve never heard of. We rely on taking a risk on undiscovered players to try and gain some sort of edge. If we’re signing an established PL regular, that’s generally because someone were competing with has deemed him surplus to requirements and he’s not good enough to generate interest elsewhere. This is just Walcott all over again, nostalgia based on mediocre past glories.

Weren't we willing to offer him a 4-year deal before he left?  If so, what's not to say that we wouldn't be willing to offer him a 3-year deal now having made a nice profit off him over the last 12 months?  Trying to get him back for ~£15m would make sense in that context (unless he really annoyed the club with his actions before his departure). 

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

But he’s only zero seasons away from when he scored seven goals, one season away from scoring twelve goals and three seasons away from scoring seven goals again.  Why is the 22 goal Danny Ings going to be the one we get back, if he returns, out of his four most recent seasons?

 

We spend a lot of money and employ a fair few people to see things the rest of us don’t and research players we’ve never heard of. We rely on taking a risk on undiscovered players to try and gain some sort of edge. If we’re signing an established PL regular, that’s generally because someone were competing with has deemed him surplus to requirements and he’s not good enough to generate interest elsewhere. This is just Walcott all over again, nostalgia based on mediocre past glories.

Well that's really worked out for us the last five years! Since when has 22 PL goals been mediocre? Even 12 is a good return for a club like Saints. And his 7 goals last season were achieved in fewer minutes on the pitch than our two main strikers who scored 7 and 6.

If he returned I'd be pretty confident, injury permitting, that he could score 10+ which is not to be sniffed at. Everyone always talks of needing a 15-20 goal striker but in reality that is only usually achieved by the top strikers in the league.

For a decent fee and on a 2-3 year contract it would be a no brainer imo.

[Dr Who?]

Yep, I would take him back, but cannot see it. Missed his goals last season for sure. Local lad, and supported Saints. Yes seems to get a little above his station and carried away, or more likely his agent does, but he is a class striker. Keeping him fit will be the issue. 

miles better than what we have, and has the goals that will get us up the table. He was class for us and coming home, with Bale and JWP supplying, he will be licking his lips. (Tongue in cheek for the Bale one, but just as likely as Ings returning).

Edited 15 June, 2022 by Dr Who?

[Sunglasses Ron]

3 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

He was class for us and coming home, with Bale and JWP supplying, he will be licking his lips. (Tongue in cheek for the Bale one, but just as likely as Ings returning).

It's all making sense now, Bale, Bazunu and Ings all being announced this week with photos taken in our new kit 😃

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

Weren't we willing to offer him a 4-year deal before he left?  If so, what's not to say that we wouldn't be willing to offer him a 3-year deal now having made a nice profit off him over the last 12 months?  Trying to get him back for ~£15m would make sense in that context (unless he really annoyed the club with his actions before his departure). 

When he was fit in that first season, he absolutely flew, with almost everything he touched turning to gold. Less so second season and he didn't seem to hit the heights again at Villa either. If we could get that one touch-goal guy back, then its a no brainer. Will we though? 

If his wage is now bigger than what we
a) were paying him
b) were willing to offer him in new contract

Do we now have to match that? 

I honestly can't see him coming back. What do we offer him now that we didn't last summer? He wanted more money and/or a bigger side perhaps with greater ambitions. Not sure Villa 

[OldNick]

I recall Mick Channon leaving to go to Man City and hating hi, he returned and gave us some of his football. I would take him back as he could mean us staying up. 5-10 goals 

Edited 15 June, 2022 by OldNick

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I recall Mick Channon leaving to go to Man City and hating hi, he returned and gave us some of his football. I would take him back as he could mean us staying up. 5-10 goals 

If we can’t find a striker who will only score single figures, without Ings’ massive wages, dubious fitness and age, for £15m then our scoutings dept should all be sacked. It’s one thing to aim that low because we’re skint, it’s quite another to be talking about offering him a three year contract as our best paid player.

All of this is based on nothing other than nostalgia and baseless hope. Hope that he’ll replicate the 22 goal season when he’s not managed double figures in two of the last four seasons.

[tajjuk]

Sounds like pure agent/paper talk to me, we need a striker, he wasn't getting as much game as expected at Villa, he 'comes home'. 

Don't think it would happen, doesn't really fit our model and is he realistically going to take a pay cut to come back? I doubt it. 

As I said on the other thread, aside the amazing season, he's clearly more a 1 in 3 at best sort of player, 10 goals a season striker anyway. You'd hope out scouting might find someone younger with that sort of ability. 

[LiberalCommunist]

I'd have him back. But. There's no deal to be had. Villa paid us. Ings got paid. There's no cheap in him returning. He's not returning. 

We march/move on. 

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

No thanks

[The Kraken]

8 hours ago, Dr Who? said:

Yep, I would take him back, but cannot see it. Missed his goals last season for sure. Local lad, and supported Saints. Yes seems to get a little above his station and carried away, or more likely his agent does, but he is a class striker. Keeping him fit will be the issue. 

miles better than what we have, and has the goals that will get us up the table. He was class for us and coming home, with Bale and JWP supplying, he will be licking his lips. (Tongue in cheek for the Bale one, but just as likely as Ings returning).

Apologies for going all MLG, but he never supported Saints and he never claimed he did. IIRC, he grew up a Spurs fan.  In fact, as has been said before on here, Saints treated him fairly shabbily when they let him go from the youth team when he was a schoolboy.

I like Ings, and him leaving for Villa didn’t really bother me. His wages, age, injury record, current salary at Villa and likely transfer fee do bother me. For me it’s a no. If he was a free transfer and reasonable wages then it would be a no-brainer. But he isn’t, and those factors must be taken into consideration.

 

Edited 15 June, 2022 by The Kraken

[Dellman]

31 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

I'd have him back. But. There's no deal to be had. Villa paid us. Ings got paid. There's no cheap in him returning. He's not returning. 

We march/move on. 

I hope you are right, we need better, younger and fitter.

[LiberalCommunist]

Fear not, we will sign younger and fitter. Of that, I have no doubt. 

[Dr Who?]

2 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Fear not, we will sign younger and fitter. Of that, I have no doubt. 

They will be shit, but younger and fitter for sure. 😆 

[OldNick]

I suspect had he not played for us and we saw he was available there would be multiple threads moaning why weren't we going for a proven PL marksman.

[wadesmith]

On 14/06/2022 at 18:38, Matthew Le God said:

Why would Ings agree to that?

Pay as you play contracts in the Premier League are incredibly rare... and for good reason!

I wasn’t being completely serious!