Gavin Bazunu

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

But they're not though. I'd say they were both 3-4/10 keepers, Willy marginally worse. Bazunu is 14 on the list of 'most saves' this season with 55, so for all his faults he has clearly done a reasonable amount right overall. I don't rate him but you talk as if every shot is Tiss vs. Taibi.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/saves

For me Willy is the best of a very bad bunch, I don't recall him doing anything wrong when he's deputised this season and with his experience he is more of a calming influence on the defence. 

Bazunu just has no redeeming features, I don't remember him making a single save that you wouldn't expect him to make and he lets plenty in that he should save, always flaps at crosses and distribution is erratic. Inspires zero confidence. As crap as McCarthy is, he has at least been decent before, hence his player of the season award.

All 3 need to be shipped out in the summer. I can't believe we managed to make an already dire goalkeeping situation worse.

[Charlie Wayman]

3 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

 

Bazunu just has no redeeming features, I don't remember him making a single save that you wouldn't expect him to make and he lets plenty in that he should save, always flaps at crosses and distribution is erratic. Inspires zero confidence. 

 

With fans like you who needs enemies? 

[trousers]

46 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

With fans like you who needs enemies? 

Indeed... What this club needs right now is fans that are always brimming with positivity.... 

Edited 6 March, 2023 by trousers

[StrangelyBrown]

12 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

The list of “Most Saves” means nothing without context.

Bazunu

 

Meslier

Pickford

In short…

Baz is shite mate.

The point though is so is McCarthy - we royally fucked up by not getting a decent keeper in the summer.

Edited 6 March, 2023 by StrangelyBrown
Nonsense

[swannymere]

On Fantasy Premier League Bazunu is currently forth from top in terms of current form. May i suggest that its just a pile on and not actually reflecting facts? And from what i've seen in the last two games, the defenders are a much bigger problem. I'm probably wrong. Probably.

[Saint Garrett]

5 minutes ago, swannymere said:

On Fantasy Premier League Bazunu is currently forth from top in terms of current form. May i suggest that its just a pile on and not actually reflecting facts? And from what i've seen in the last two games, the defenders are a much bigger problem. I'm probably wrong. Probably.

2 clean sheets in last three that's why.

He was decent at Chelsea, he's been pretty woeful in most other games this season.  He has something about him, but without a doubt he shouldn't have been relied upon this season given our predicament.

[Lighthouse]

10 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

For me Willy is the best of a very bad bunch, I don't recall him doing anything wrong when he's deputised this season and with his experience he is more of a calming influence on the defence. 

Probably because his one and only appearance being Blackpool at home in the FA Cup. He has only ever played two league games for us, shipping three against Arsenal and two against Palace.

‘Im not saying I rate Baz, far from it, but he is not some hapless, 1/10 keeper than some are claiming. More to the point we don’t have a better option and those clamouring for either WC, FF or AM are doing do so purely on the back of recency bias.

[SaintsBarry74]

Only a miracle can prevent Bazunu from conceding goals.

[Greenridge]

You don't get to his stage of his career by being sh!t. He looks like someone massively short of confidence and that is manifesting itself in just about everything he does. Having a 3, 4 and 5-man sieve in front of him all season won't have helped and vice-versa.

One thing I would say, is that I was introduced to him at the Villarreal game. He came and sat with us in the SFC box. He's not a big guy. Far from it. I was actually quite shocked how small he was both in height and stature. Most keepers today are athletic and not huge lumps, but he really is not someone who is physically going to dominate his box and the opposition.

[saintwbu]

I completely understand a lot of the scepticism/criticism over Bazunu. What I do find interesting though is how calm he seems all the time, and unflustered by mistakes. It gives me hope that he has the mentality to overcome a tough season, and we will hopefully see why he was signed over time. 

[SotonianWill]

13 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

I completely understand a lot of the scepticism/criticism over Bazunu. What I do find interesting though is how calm he seems all the time, and unflustered by mistakes. It gives me hope that he has the mentality to overcome a tough season, and we will hopefully see why he was signed over time. 

yes he seems like a bright guy, as least we don’t have an absolute thicko in goal

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

yes he seems like a bright guy, as least we don’t have an absolute thicko in goal

I maybe old fashioned but I want someone in nets that saves shots, not beats the fucking chaser

Edited 7 March, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[The Left Back]

I'm almost certainly in the minority but I think he'll come good.  He's similar to Emerson in terms of physical stature and potential attributes (before I get jumped on I'm not comparing him like for like to Emerson in terms of quality).  He's obviously had a tricky first season in the glare of the EPL (Ederson was relatively hidden away in Portugal at the same age), playing for 3 managers in a very unstable side.  

He's only 21, the youngest keeper in the division, and will improve.  Like all keepers, his mistakes are there for all to see but I can't think of any/many games we've lost because of him.  I think there were a few boos when his name was read out Saturday, and it just needs to stop.  It's a perverse way to show your support for the club. The great escape mentality only works if the fans and the team or on the same side.  People booing him and then in the next breath saying his confidence is shot need to take a long hard look at themselves.  

I don't mind some analytical criticism on here but some of the stuff about Bazunu has been ridiculous. It's almost like some are so invested in the need to be proved right that they almost want him to fail.  

[SambaMaverick]

7 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

I'm almost certainly in the minority but I think he'll come good.  He's similar to Emerson in terms of physical stature and potential attributes (before I get jumped on I'm not comparing him like for like to Emerson in terms of quality).  He's obviously had a tricky first season in the glare of the EPL (Ederson was relatively hidden away in Portugal at the same age), playing for 3 managers in a very unstable side.  

He's only 21, the youngest keeper in the division, and will improve.  Like all keepers, his mistakes are there for all to see but I can't think of any/many games we've lost because of him.  I think there were a few boos when his name was read out Saturday, and it just needs to stop.  It's a perverse way to show your support for the club. The great escape mentality only works if the fans and the team or on the same side.  People booing him and then in the next breath saying his confidence is shot need to take a long hard look at themselves.  

I don't mind some analytical criticism on here but some of the stuff about Bazunu has been ridiculous. It's almost like some are so invested in the need to be proved right that they almost want him to fail.  

It's not his fault but he has to be dropped. McCarthy is better, no question. There's not a gulf between them, but McCarthy is better.

Bazunu should have never been dropped into this situation in the first place. As you mention, there's a reason why keeper don't tend to make the grade at a senior level until around 24.

He could come good, but at the moment his glimpses of potential seem fleeting at best. We need someone who can be relied upon week on week, and Bazunu isn't that. Yet.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, The Left Back said:

I'm almost certainly in the minority but I think he'll come good.  He's similar to Emerson in terms of physical stature and potential attributes (before I get jumped on I'm not comparing him like for like to Emerson in terms of quality).  He's obviously had a tricky first season in the glare of the EPL (Ederson was relatively hidden away in Portugal at the same age), playing for 3 managers in a very unstable side.  

He's only 21, the youngest keeper in the division, and will improve.  Like all keepers, his mistakes are there for all to see but I can't think of any/many games we've lost because of him.  I think there were a few boos when his name was read out Saturday, and it just needs to stop.  It's a perverse way to show your support for the club. The great escape mentality only works if the fans and the team or on the same side.  People booing him and then in the next breath saying his confidence is shot need to take a long hard look at themselves.  

I don't mind some analytical criticism on here but some of the stuff about Bazunu has been ridiculous. It's almost like some are so invested in the need to be proved right that they almost want him to fail.  

what attribute(s) shown suggest he will come good?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, SambaMaverick said:

It's not his fault but he has to be dropped. McCarthy is better, no question. There's not a gulf between them, but McCarthy is better.

Bazunu should have never been dropped into this situation in the first place. As you mention, there's a reason why keeper don't tend to make the grade at a senior level until around 24.

He could come good, but at the moment his glimpses of potential seem fleeting at best. We need someone who can be relied upon week on week, and Bazunu isn't that. Yet.

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[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, The Left Back said:

 

I don't mind some analytical criticism on here but some of the stuff about Bazunu has been ridiculous. It's almost like some are so invested in the need to be proved right that they almost want him to fail.  

What a load of old pony. Nobody wants him to fail and the only people who seem to have the need to be right are the ones making excuses for him. It’s laughable. He’s not good enough at the moment, that’s not written with any satisfaction or pleasure, I wish it wasn’t true. But we’re bottom of the league and we need him to perform in the here and now, not some future date when he maybe good or even great. He’s sub standard, probably the worst keeper in the league and in our position we need more than that. 

[Saint Matty 76]

23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony. Nobody wants him to fail and the only people who seem to have the need to be right are the ones making excuses for him. It’s laughable. He’s not good enough at the moment, that’s not written with any satisfaction or pleasure, I wish it wasn’t true. But we’re bottom of the league and we need him to perform in the here and now, not some future date when he maybe good or even great. He’s sub standard, probably the worst keeper in the league and in our position we need more than that. 

I really hate that logic as well. Lazy and ridiculous.

As if we're paying money to head to St Mary's each week hoping that our goalkeeper fucks up so we can come back and say we were right on SaintsWeb afterwards? I was really excited about the signing when it happened and I've been drastically proved wrong on that front. We all want him to do well, he isn't. End of story. I don't want my club to be relegated.

[SambaMaverick]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

?

If you can't see that as true, then you need a thorough mental examination

[derry]

I'd love an £70m world class goalkeeper but we haven't got one. However some people try to spin it we've got three goalkeepers, McCarthy bought from Crystal as a reserve lucky to get in the side due to Forster's form falling off a cliff, Cabellero, a 41 year old brought in as injury cover and 21 years old Bazunu bought as No 1.

That's it. There is no transfer window and it is what it is. McCarthy has too many weaknesses to be anything but a reserve. We either support Bazunu or stick our head in the sand and promote a proven failure. It isn't going to happen.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, SambaMaverick said:

If you can't see that as true, then you need a thorough mental examination

When was the last time you saw McCarthy play in a league game?

[cloggy saint]

5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

When was the last time you saw McCarthy play in a league game?

What's that got to do with anything?

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

What's that got to do with anything?

How can you judge how good he is if he hasn’t played for quite a while?

[Galway saint]

22 hours ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

Only a miracle can prevent Bazunu from conceding goals.

This tells a thousand stories. His stats are by some distance the worst in the division when it’s comes to preventing goal. It’s not even close ! I get McCarthy isn’t perfect but at least I recall his making saves that were noteworthy amidst the errors. I’m sure we can come up with a decent save or two over the season but I am struggling to think of any. We don’t actually suffer many shots on target but when we do it’s often a goal because he doesn’t prevent goals and that’s a keepers job first and foremost 

[egg]

11 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

This tells a thousand stories. His stats are by some distance the worst in the division when it’s comes to preventing goal. It’s not even close ! I get McCarthy isn’t perfect but at least I recall his making saves that were noteworthy amidst the errors. I’m sure we can come up with a decent save or two over the season but I am struggling to think of any. We don’t actually suffer many shots on target but when we do it’s often a goal because he doesn’t prevent goals and that’s a keepers job first and foremost 

Yep. I'm staggered that we've had people on here focusing on his potential. What we need is a keeper capable of keeping the ball out of the net now. Bazunu just isn't good enough. I'm with you on McCarthy - he's far from perfect - but even at his worst for us he's no worse than Bazunu, and at his best, he's a hell of a lot better. 

[cloggy saint]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

How can you judge how good he is if he hasn’t played for quite a while?

Unless he's lost an arm and/or a leg since he last played then he's still comfortably better than Bazunu.

[Paulwantsapint81]

Feel sorry for the lad, arguably the best saints keeper was Niemi who behind Claus, Killer, Bridge & Dodd with Beattie up front was awesome but behind 04/05 defenders was not so good

Super Kelv was great in lower leagues behind the best defenders in the league & a certain Rickie Lambert not very good behind premier league defence 

Forster on form had Fonte, Toby VVD, Bertrand, Clyne, Wanyama, Schneiderlin & goal scorers

Think if Baz had a Fonte or VVD marshalling in front & prolific goal scorer up front he would gain confidence 

[HKsaint]

Whatever you say, statistics don’t lie. And I don’t think our current defenders are worse than other bottom teams, on the contrary, I think we are quite strong in defender positions. 

Edited 7 March, 2023 by HKsaint
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[cloggy saint]

1 hour ago, Paulwantsapint81 said:

Think if Baz had a Fonte or VVD marshalling in front & prolific goal scorer up front he would gain confidence 

The first team of a shit and struggling side is not the place to gain confidence, a first choice keeper should be confident and ready. As a keeper there's no room for learning on the job and this lad isn't ready. Bring Macca back in, he's no great, and can drop a howler from time to time (what keeper doesn't?) but he also won us points last season, Man City springs to mind.

[StrangelyBrown]

9 hours ago, Galway saint said:

This tells a thousand stories. His stats are by some distance the worst in the division when it’s comes to preventing goal. It’s not even close ! I get McCarthy isn’t perfect but at least I recall his making saves that were noteworthy amidst the errors. I’m sure we can come up with a decent save or two over the season but I am struggling to think of any. We don’t actually suffer many shots on target but when we do it’s often a goal because he doesn’t prevent goals and that’s a keepers job first and foremost 

When McCarthy plays we spend a lot more time defending because his distribution is awful. When he kicks the ball long it goes to the opposition every single time or when he plays it short it takes him an absolute age to make up his mind which instantly puts us under pressure if we play against anyone who presses (which is most of the league). While he might save a few more he invites more pressure on us than Bazunu whose distribution is better (not brilliant, but faster and more accurate).

I agree that Bazunu is part of the problem. For me McCarthy isn't part of the solution he's fucking terrible and should also be nowhere near a premier league team.

[stevy777_x]

4 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

When McCarthy plays we spend a lot more time defending because his distribution is awful. When he kicks the ball long it goes to the opposition every single time or when he plays it short it takes him an absolute age to make up his mind which instantly puts us under pressure if we play against anyone who presses (which is most of the league). While he might save a few more he invites more pressure on us than Bazunu whose distribution is better (not brilliant, but faster and more accurate).

I agree that Bazunu is part of the problem. For me McCarthy isn't part of the solution he's fucking terrible and should also be nowhere near a premier league team.

I am the only who finds Bazunu’s distribution below average.

It was actually lauded when we signed and i ve been very disapointed.

[StrangelyBrown]

2 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

I am the only who finds Bazunu’s distribution below average.

It was actually lauded when we signed and i ve been very disapointed.

You're not, it's not good at all, but I think everyone has forgotten how poor McCarthy's is

[Galway saint]

Perhaps the solution is to put Tall Paul in goal for his distribution. He might make the odd save as well 

[sydney_saint]

12 hours ago, Paulwantsapint81 said:

Feel sorry for the lad, arguably the best saints keeper was Niemi who behind Claus, Killer, Bridge & Dodd with Beattie up front was awesome but behind 04/05 defenders was not so good

Super Kelv was great in lower leagues behind the best defenders in the league & a certain Rickie Lambert not very good behind premier league defence 

Forster on form had Fonte, Toby VVD, Bertrand, Clyne, Wanyama, Schneiderlin & goal scorers

Think if Baz had a Fonte or VVD marshalling in front & prolific goal scorer up front he would gain confidence 

True that previous keepers have had far better defender in front of them. Currently he has decent players though in KWP, ABK, Salisu, Lavia, JWP and I guess Elyounoussi seeing as the managers all seem to think he's some defensive genius. With the exception of left back, it isn't the worst defensive set up you will see in this league. It's at least equal to most of the teams around us, and better than a couple as well. This isn't like Blackpool 2010 with defensive chaos all around him. Certainly it isn't so shocking to excuse Baz number of errors and I think he is operating at a level below the rest of the players. If you take a marginally more competent goalkeeper who let's say kept us 4-5 of the goals we conceded this season, our defensive record would be pretty in line with most of the bottom 10 clubs. It's the issues up front that are killing us.

The most recent defensive set ups you refer to are for a team that finished top 6. Baz absolutely would be miles behind that level and would not deserve to play in that side, so I don't consider him unlucky really. He's very lucky that he's been able to retain a place whilst performing at a level below the rest of the defensive players.

[Whitey Grandad]

40 minutes ago, sydney_saint said:

True that previous keepers have had far better defender in front of them. Currently he has decent players though in KWP, ABK, Salisu, Lavia, JWP and I guess Elyounoussi seeing as the managers all seem to think he's some defensive genius. With the exception of left back, it isn't the worst defensive set up you will see in this league. It's at least equal to most of the teams around us, and better than a couple as well. This isn't like Blackpool 2010 with defensive chaos all around him. Certainly it isn't so shocking to excuse Baz number of errors and I think he is operating at a level below the rest of the players. If you take a marginally more competent goalkeeper who let's say kept us 4-5 of the goals we conceded this season, our defensive record would be pretty in line with most of the bottom 10 clubs. It's the issues up front that are killing us.

The most recent defensive set ups you refer to are for a team that finished top 6. Baz absolutely would be miles behind that level and would not deserve to play in that side, so I don't consider him unlucky really. He's very lucky that he's been able to retain a place whilst performing at a level below the rest of the defensive players.

No mention of Bednarek there. Was that significant?

[Saint_clark]

8 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

When McCarthy plays we spend a lot more time defending because his distribution is awful. When he kicks the ball long it goes to the opposition every single time or when he plays it short it takes him an absolute age to make up his mind which instantly puts us under pressure if we play against anyone who presses (which is most of the league). While he might save a few more he invites more pressure on us than Bazunu whose distribution is better (not brilliant, but faster and more accurate).

I agree that Bazunu is part of the problem. For me McCarthy isn't part of the solution he's fucking terrible and should also be nowhere near a premier league team.

This is unsubstantiated nonsense. I would bet that if someone fluent in stat-speak looked it up, McCarthys distribution would be no worse than Bazunus. 

In fact it was easier than I thought to look up. Bazunus pass completion this season is 54%, McCarthys last season was 56.4% and the season before that it was 61%. 

Edited 8 March, 2023 by Saint_clark

[derry]

I cannot believe how a few vociferous people on here keep putting McCarthy forward as a solution. When he was playing I got sick and tired of the number of times he chickened out and was beaten at the near post going down early eg Wolves, Arsenal at home and getting his head out of the way as the ball flew over him into the net. I also remember several occasions that Bazunu threw himself and blocked shots at the near post. Good goalkeepers come out upper body towards the ball, Bazunu does, McCarthy feet first. McCarthy slows us down even more and when he plays it out, chips it up to the halfway area invariably to an opponent. At least Bazunu hits it fairly long. The management would be mad to bring back McCarthy. If you want us to be relegated that would just about guarantee it. McCarthy can deal with shots from distance but his faults can't be airbrushed out.

[StrangelyBrown]

2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

This is unsubstantiated nonsense. I would bet that if someone fluent in stat-speak looked it up, McCarthys distribution would be no worse than Bazunus. 

In fact it was easier than I thought to look up. Bazunus pass completion this season is 54%, McCarthys last season was 56.4% and the season before that it was 61%. 

You haven't proved anything - give the stats on transition immediately following a pass and then you may be able prove a point and also on the completion on long passes, but try using your eyes and actually watch what happens when McCarthy next plays ...

[Bakovnetski]

Watching Spurs tonight did I miss something where our spectacular recruitment policy left us with a kid and a donkey whilst our ex-proven better donkey is playing in the CL and looking far better than we are left with? One or two game of poor performance and he was ostracised. How many poor games have our keepers had and still have the gloves?

[hypochondriac]

40 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said:

Watching Spurs tonight did I miss something where our spectacular recruitment policy left us with a kid and a donkey whilst our ex-proven better donkey is playing in the CL and looking far better than we are left with? One or two game of poor performance and he was ostracised. How many poor games have our keepers had and still have the gloves?

Pretty sure the fact he was one of our highest pad players had something to do with him leaving. 

[Saint_clark]

4 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

You haven't proved anything - give the stats on transition immediately following a pass and then you may be able prove a point and also on the completion on long passes, but try using your eyes and actually watch what happens when McCarthy next plays ...

I've used my eyes, McCarthy was bad but is better than Bazunu who has been terrible. 

Fyi what a player does with the ball AFTER they receive it doesn't affect the quality of a keepers passing to them.

[Saint_clark]

5 hours ago, derry said:

I cannot believe how a few vociferous people on here keep putting McCarthy forward as a solution. When he was playing I got sick and tired of the number of times he chickened out and was beaten at the near post going down early eg Wolves, Arsenal at home and getting his head out of the way as the ball flew over him into the net. I also remember several occasions that Bazunu threw himself and blocked shots at the near post. Good goalkeepers come out upper body towards the ball, Bazunu does, McCarthy feet first. McCarthy slows us down even more and when he plays it out, chips it up to the halfway area invariably to an opponent. At least Bazunu hits it fairly long. The management would be mad to bring back McCarthy. If you want us to be relegated that would just about guarantee it. McCarthy can deal with shots from distance but his faults can't be airbrushed out.

We are guaranteed relegation with Bazunu. You need a keeper who will actually do something to positively affect the game once in a while, Bazunu does nothing. He may well be a great keeper in 5-10 years but I don't care. We are the only team with a first choice keeper this young and he is statistically the worst in the league - the second worst is Danny Ward who is 23 and all the rest are over 25. It's not a coincidence. 

[James G]

10 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

We are guaranteed relegation with Bazunu. You need a keeper who will actually do something to positively affect the game once in a while, Bazunu does nothing. He may well be a great keeper in 5-10 years but I don't care. We are the only team with a first choice keeper this young and he is statistically the worst in the league - the second worst is Danny Ward who is 23 and all the rest are over 25. It's not a coincidence. 

I think out of 26 keepers fielded last season, McCarthy was the second worst in the league. I don't know how the stats compare to Bazunu, but it sounds like a rock and a hard place when choosing which one to play 

[Whitey Grandad]

11 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Pretty sure the fact he was one of our highest pad players had something to do with him leaving. 

Out of contract, wasn’t he?

[Bakovnetski]

14 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Pretty sure the fact he was one of our highest pad players had something to do with him leaving. 

Peanuts though when you drop down a division because this decision contributed.

[Nordic Saint]

4 hours ago, James G said:

I think out of 26 keepers fielded last season, McCarthy was the second worst in the league. I don't know how the stats compare to Bazunu, but it sounds like a rock and a hard place when choosing which one to play 

Career average goals conceded per game:

Forster

0.9

McCarthy

1.25

Kelvin Davis

1.28

Bazunu

1.43

[Whitey Grandad]

34 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

Career average goals conceded per game:

Forster

0.9

McCarthy

1.25

Kelvin Davis

1.28

Bazunu

1.43

Totally meaningless. There are ten other players in front of any goalkeeper. Don't they have an influence on the goals conceded?

[saintwbu]

All I see on this forum is about how stats are rubbish and a waste of time - yet i’m seeing some absolutely pointless stats on here like ‘Fraser Forster, who played most of his career for by far the best team in a terrible league has conceded less goals than a young goalie in a terrible team’ and pass completion stats from goalkeepers with no context about whether any of those passes didn’t go straight to the centre half 5 yards in front of them. There’s plenty to bash all our goalies with, you don’t need irrelevant stats to do it with. 

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, saintwbu said:

All I see on this forum is about how stats are rubbish and a waste of time - yet i’m seeing some absolutely pointless stats on here like ‘Fraser Forster, who played most of his career for by far the best team in a terrible league has conceded less goals than a young goalie in a terrible team’ and pass completion stats from goalkeepers with no context about whether any of those passes didn’t go straight to the centre half 5 yards in front of them. There’s plenty to bash all our goalies with, you don’t need irrelevant stats to do it with. 

Well I tried saying "Bazunu is shit, McCarthy is slightly less shit" but people dismissed that too. If people want to bury their heads in the sand then go ahead but those defending Bazunu have now said that anyone with the opinion that he isn't good enough, whether objective or subjective, are worthless. 

The evidence of our eyes shows he hasn't been good enough and the stats back it up. What metric are people using to say he should stay in the team, without resorting to saying how he might come good in 5 years time?

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Bakovnetski said:

Peanuts though when you drop down a division because this decision contributed.

Getting rid of Forster isn't the decision that will have contributed to our relegation if it happens. Replacing him with Bazunu and no one else is the decision that was wrong.