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Just watched MOTD as I was at Twickenham yesterday, though Mrs took our youngest.

What was going through Baz‘s head last minute. Came for two crosses which were questionable whether to even come for, and completely misjudged BOTH.

How we didn’t concede from the last one is utterly beyond me. His decision making is getting increasingly erratic, which is highly worrying.

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Whitey Grandad

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17 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep...that's my point. The one near the end where Bednarek was on the right, he just didn't fancy passing back so put it into touch. Sure, he should have played it forward, but out of touch was deemed a better option than Baz. If he had a keeper he could have relied on, that ball would have gone backwards. 

I don’t think many saw it that way. He was in space and had time to bring the ball under control. If we’re thinking about the same incident.

The problems between them are a combination of the two of them. Bednarek has not had long enough to get to get accommodated into the defence.

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16 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Just watched MOTD as I was at Twickenham yesterday, though Mrs took our youngest.

What was going through Baz‘s head last minute. Came for two crosses which were questionable whether to even come for, and completely misjudged BOTH.

How we didn’t concede from the last one is utterly beyond me. His decision making is getting increasingly erratic, which is highly worrying.

There have been many comments explaining this.

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1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

If you can’t see that it’s because you can’t see it. 

Yeah, we all know he put the defender off. But that wasn't his intention and he got incredibly lucky. If the defender had just kept his composure and assumed Bazunu was going to miss the ball then he'd have nodded it into an empty net. Even without making a proper connection, all that had to happen was for it to rebound anywhere on target and it was a guaranteed goal because Bazunu abandoned the net and threw himself past the ball. 

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Whitey Grandad

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

So you agree that the only reason we kept a clean sheet was because Baz didn’t have to make a save. Finally, you get it. 
 

Unfortunately most games he needs to, which is why we haven’t won many. 

You’ve fallen into a logical fallacy there.

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4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I don’t think many saw it that way. He was in space and had time to bring the ball under control. If we’re thinking about the same incident.

The problems between them are a combination of the two of them. Bednarek has not had long enough to get to get accommodated into the defence.

I'm not fussed what others think...you think Bazunu is ok, and some people think Edozie is a PL player so I ignore lots of opinions. 

In the incident I'm referring to Bednarek had a quick glance back, only had Baz so git touch. I repeat that Bednarek had better options, but the relevant point to this discussion is that he declined the Baz option cos, like most people, he knows he's not good enough. 

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5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I can’t see any question?

It's there..."look over the season...what saves did he not make that most PL (and championship) keepers should be making?"

 
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2 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm not fussed what others think...you think Bazunu is ok, and some people think Edozie is a PL player so I ignore lots of opinions. 

In the incident I'm referring to Bednarek had a quick glance back, only had Baz so git touch. I repeat that Bednarek had better options, but the relevant point to this discussion is that he declined the Baz option cos, like most people, he knows he's not good enough. 

I think he’s ok, but nothing more than that, and certainly not what we need for this season.

I suspect that your hatred of Bazunu has coloured your opinions regarding Bednarek’s behaviour yesterday. There were at least a couple of instances where his attempted clearances went straight up in the air and these were in positions where you would not want the ball passed back to the keeper whoever he was.

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3 minutes ago, egg said:

It's there..."look over the season...what saves did he not make that most PL (and championship) keepers should be making?"

 

 

Ah, thanks. I went back a couple of pages and didn’t see anything.

I have only been considering his most recent game.

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3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

 

I suspect that your hatred of Bazunu has coloured your opinions regarding Bednarek’s behaviour yesterday.

What a load of old pony.
 

There’s no hatred of him and Bednarek looked a premier league centre half yesterday. Baz did not look a premier league keeper. Whilst Bednarek contributed to our win, it was no thanks to Baz. 

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4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Ah, thanks. I went back a couple of pages and didn’t see anything.

I have only been considering his most recent game.

No worries...but surely you have to admit that he's failed to save many shots that a PL lever keeper should have saved? 

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1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony.
 

There’s no hatred of him and Bednarek looked a premier league centre half yesterday. Baz did not look a premier league keeper. Whilst Bednarek contributed to our win, it was no thanks to Baz. 

Really?

Of course he contributed to our win. He was on the pitch and part of the team. What more could anybody ask?

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1 minute ago, egg said:

No worries...but surely you have to admit that he's failed to save many shots that a PL lever keeper should have saved? 

Yes. Weak hands. Horribly exposed many times facing unmarked opposition players well inside our penalty area. He’s been part of our problems but by no means the only part.

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7 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I think he’s ok, but nothing more than that, and certainly not what we need for this season.

I suspect that your hatred of Bazunu has coloured your opinions regarding Bednarek’s behaviour yesterday. There were at least a couple of instances where his attempted clearances went straight up in the air and these were in positions where you would not want the ball passed back to the keeper whoever he was.

Bizarre that you suggest that I "hate" Baz. I just think he's a poor keeper. Bednarek was solid defensively yesterday and marshalled that back 4. My only issue with his performance was hitting touch when a welly upfield was the better option BUT having Baz behind him undoubtedly impacted his judgement.

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54 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

There have been many comments explaining this.

The lad allowing himself to be put off by Bazunu's inexplicable Superman impression, does not justify Bazunu's Superman impression.

Bazunu should have read the flight of the ball. He didn't.

Leicester should've scored. They didn't.

If they had, which it's quite unbelievable they didn't, Bazunu would've been SLAUGHTERED, and quite rightly too.

Your defence of him is reaching bemusing levels. It's genuinely strange.

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1 hour ago, egg said:

 

He's appalling and I'd replace him with whoever out of McCarthy and Willy is doing best in training. 

As probably would everyone on here, and at SMS. However, 3 managers this season have seen things differently. What do they see that we don't ?

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2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Because it got in that player’s face. Enough to put him off what would otherwise have been a lot easier.

It didn’t get in the players face, he missed the ball and luckily for us the players free header was about 6 inches too high. If it had gone in he’d have been rightly criticised for poor goalkeeping, just because it missed doesn’t mean it was a great decision, it was an error and very fortunately not a costly one. 

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Just now, Turkish said:

It didn’t get in the players face, he missed the ball and luckily for us the players free header was about 6 inches too high. If it had gone in he’d have been rightly criticised for poor goalkeeping, just because it missed doesn’t mean it was a great decision, it was an error and very fortunately not a costly one. 

It wasn’t great but personally I’m more annoyed at AMN for completely losing his man there.

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4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It wasn’t great but personally I’m more annoyed at AMN for completely losing his man there.

Well that’s another issue. 3 times we let players have free headers 6 yards out, luckily each time they fluffed on another day Baz is picking the ball out the net 3 times. That’s why I’m still not buying into Bednarek had a good game and being commanding. He did his usual disappearing act when a half decent cross came in. He was okay for the rest of the game but you can’t be good for 89 minutes and switch off to leave a premier league striker unmarked in the six yard box too often and get away with it. It was very much a typical Bednarek performance, okay for most of it but lapses in concentration which luckily didn’t cost us this week

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2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Well that’s another issue. 3 times we let players have free headers 6 yards out, luckily each time they fluffed on another day Baz is picking the ball out the net 3 times. That’s why I’m still not buying into Bednarek had a good game and being commanding. He did his usual disappearing act when a half decent cross came in. He was okay for the rest of the game but you can’t be good for 89 minutes and switch off to leave a premier league striker unmarked in the six yard box too often and get away with it. It was very much a typical Bednarek performance, okay for most of it but lapses in concentration which luckily didn’t cost us this week

TBH I thought the only difference between yesterday and the Newcastle 1-4 game was the opponents finishing.

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2 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Just watched MOTD as I was at Twickenham yesterday, though Mrs took our youngest.

What was going through Baz‘s head last minute. Came for two crosses which were questionable whether to even come for, and completely misjudged BOTH.

How we didn’t concede from the last one is utterly beyond me. His decision making is getting increasingly erratic, which is highly worrying.

Or why weren’t the CB’s taking control of the situation? 

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2 hours ago, egg said:

I'm not fussed what others think...you think Bazunu is ok, and some people think Edozie is a PL player so I ignore lots of opinions. 

In the incident I'm referring to Bednarek had a quick glance back, only had Baz so git touch. I repeat that Bednarek had better options, but the relevant point to this discussion is that he declined the Baz option cos, like most people, he knows he's not good enough. 

You’ve spoken to Bednarek to form that opinion I presume? 

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46 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Well that’s another issue. 3 times we let players have free headers 6 yards out, luckily each time they fluffed on another day Baz is picking the ball out the net 3 times. That’s why I’m still not buying into Bednarek had a good game and being commanding. He did his usual disappearing act when a half decent cross came in. He was okay for the rest of the game but you can’t be good for 89 minutes and switch off to leave a premier league striker unmarked in the six yard box too often and get away with it. It was very much a typical Bednarek performance, okay for most of it but lapses in concentration which luckily didn’t cost us this week

Yes. The only reason we didn't have the same old story yesterday is because Leicester were rubbish. It wasn't really anythibg that we did differently from what we normally do. 

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8 hours ago, MAY-Z said:

The best thing for Baz to have done was flap at that cross, in the hope it put him off.

 

Because if the header was on target there is close to zero % chance it would’ve been saved no matter where it went or how powerfully it went there

If it had gone in, it is possible VAR might have come into play. Souttar had a fistful of AMN’s shirt, pulling it to gain advantage as he was heading the ball.
 

i know that is wishful thinking - VAR helping us.  

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9 hours ago, Mr Saints said:

He was a liability yesterday. Time for a rest.

Just as Manure got fucking embarrassingly thrashed by their fiercest rivals 7-0, all going to look well for them to give it a right go when we play them next...................(GULP).........

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14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He didn’t make one save yesterday, hence the clean sheet.

 

 

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Trust the BBC to represent Leicester's zero shots on target as a non-zero percentage of that diagram. Did we have all the shots on target or not... 😅Basic from the Beeb as always.

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17 hours ago, Mr Saints said:

He was a liability yesterday. Time for a rest.

Who comes in instead? Big willy - who isn't very convincing? McCarthy - a woeful keeper who some people seem to forget doesn't save very much and can't pass to a team mate?

The problem lies in the lack of alternatives - may as well stick with Bazunu on the basis that he might slowly get better. The other 2 won't.

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For me he is a young goalkeeper with so much potential. His distribution is the best I can remember any saints keeper having. However, he does make too many mistakes. I think he has brain farts as we all do when we are so young. 
 

there is a fine line between backing a young player and exposing someone who doesn’t have that much experience in the top league. 
 

if we go back to the quiet man Mc Carthy then we can wave goodbye to building from the back. Also Willy looks like a man who is about at 60% of his ability due to his age. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Who comes in instead? Big willy - who isn't very convincing? McCarthy - a woeful keeper who some people seem to forget doesn't save very much and can't pass to a team mate?

The problem lies in the lack of alternatives - may as well stick with Bazunu on the basis that he might slowly get better. The other 2 won't.

We don't have time to let him slowly get better. 

If he right now is a 1/10, and McCarthy is a 3/10, then McCarthy is still a better shout for the rest of the season purely on the basis that in at least one game he might make a save that earns us points. Bazunu has earned us 0 points this season, has actively lost us points, and I am willing to bet he will do nothing the rest of this season that has a meaningful positive impact on the result. 

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31 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

We don't have time to let him slowly get better. 

If he right now is a 1/10, and McCarthy is a 3/10, then McCarthy is still a better shout for the rest of the season purely on the basis that in at least one game he might make a save that earns us points. Bazunu has earned us 0 points this season, has actively lost us points, and I am willing to bet he will do nothing the rest of this season that has a meaningful positive impact on the result. 

But they're not though. I'd say they were both 3-4/10 keepers, Willy marginally worse. Bazunu is 14 on the list of 'most saves' this season with 55, so for all his faults he has clearly done a reasonable amount right overall. I don't rate him but you talk as if every shot is Tiss vs. Taibi.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/saves

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1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

But they're not though. I'd say they were both 3-4/10 keepers, Willy marginally worse. Bazunu is 14 on the list of 'most saves' this season with 55, so for all his faults he has clearly done a reasonable amount right overall. I don't rate him but you talk as if every shot is Tiss vs. Taibi.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/saves

The list of “Most Saves” means nothing without context.

Bazunu

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Meslier

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Pickford

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In short…

Baz is shite mate.

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