Gavin Bazunu

[sledger]

lets be truthful,bazuna and bednarek were pathetic,keeper had 1 save to make didnt do it.Pick an 11 from the two sides how many from saints get in,possibly lavia and ward prowse,says it all really and leeds are a poor side

[Whitey Grandad]

57 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Whitey you don’t half chat some. Firpo fluffed the finish… it was woeful. Baz and Bednarek being in line had nothing to do with it. If he used his head he would’ve gone far post, as it was a free hit. Stop talking such pony. It’s too funny. 

You’re too blinkered. Try to look at the wider picture. Do you really believe that the presence of Bednarek had nothing to do with it. Try and be honest.

[saintant]

Just watched the goal again. As the play develops from the corner we have plenty of players in the box. A gap develops between the Leeds player who emerges from the corner and our next defender who is Bednarek. At this point Bednarek should be fully aware he has team mates covering the box so, as nearest man, it was his job to rush out and confront the ball carrier and fill the empty space. Instead, for reasons only known to himself, he chose to retain his position, stand like a statue right in Bazunu's eyeline and turn sideways. Had he done his job and confronted the guy cutting in from the corner I doubt Leeds would even have got a shot away never mind score a soft goal.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You’re too blinkered. Try to look at the wider picture. 

Are you being ironic?

 

Nearly every week, Baz let’s a soft goal in, and every time you blame somebody else. As pointed out earlier, a decent keeper saves that regardless of poor defending. Other sides have poor defenders, yet their keeper bails them out. If you shoot you, score pretty much every time against Baz. 

[Whitey Grandad]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Are you being ironic?

 

Nearly every week, Baz let’s a soft goal in, and every time you blame somebody else. As pointed out earlier, a decent keeper saves that regardless of poor defending. Other sides have poor defenders, yet their keeper bails them out. If you shoot you, score pretty much every time against Baz. 

No, I’m not exonerating him. But there’s a hell of a lot of other stuff that’s wrong with our defence. In this instance I feel that Bednarek is more to blame than Bazunu, who was not great.

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No, I’m not exonerating him. But there’s a hell of a lot of other stuff that’s wrong with our defence. In this instance I feel that Bednarek is more to blame than Bazunu, who was not great.

Baz has cost us more points than any other player, no doubt about it. There are other problems, but he’s the biggest. 

Edited 26 February, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Baz has cost us more points than any other player, no doubt about it. There are other problems, but he’s the biggest. 

Meh.

Woefully exposed by the paper thin excuse for a defence in front of him. With a different goalkeeper the results would have been much the same.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

Meh.

Woefully exposed by the paper thin excuse for a defence in front of him. With a different goalkeeper the results would have been much the same.

sorry, you are talking absolute crap with this one IMO

We probably get a point with a competent keeper yesterday

[badgerx16]

42 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Baz has cost us more points than any other player,

How many due to being exposed by the defending in front of him ?

[Saint_clark]

44 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Meh.

Woefully exposed by the paper thin excuse for a defence in front of him. With a different goalkeeper the results would have been much the same.

That's just nonsense. The amount of shots he's let in that were straight at him or the time he threw the ball in his own net...we would be at least 6 points better off with a stronger keeper in goal, and honestly probably more than that.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Are you being ironic?

 

Nearly every week, Baz let’s a soft goal in, and every time you blame somebody else. As pointed out earlier, a decent keeper saves that regardless of poor defending. Other sides have poor defenders, yet their keeper bails them out. If you shoot you, score pretty much every time against Baz. 

Yep, Bednarek was really shit for that goal but it was practically in the middle of the goal and not hit very hard, Bednarek should have blocked it and Bazunu should have saved it. He is a liability and the moment and like you say if you get a shot on target there is a good chance it ends up in our net 

[Osvaldorama]

Staggering that he hasn’t been dropped. Genuinely staggering. 
 

He’s appalling. Agreed with the above - probably the biggest reason we are where we are. Constantly in the wrong position. May as well not have a keeper as every shot goes straight through him. 
 

I reckon a season in the championship will do him the world of good. Which is lucky as that’s exactly where he will be next season. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

A wheelie bin I reckon would have a bigger save ratio if you plonked one in the centre of the goal for the rest of the season.

[Nordic Saint]

Goalkeepers usually don't reach their peak until they are at least in their late 20s. The best ones are mostly over 30. In 10 years' time, we'll find out how good Bazunu is. Right now, he should only be used sparingly in cup games, like the one against Grimsby, to build his confidence.

Meanwhile, the clean sheet king, Fraser Forster has racked up another two in the last 7 days, taking his total to well over 200.

Edited 26 February, 2023 by Nordic Saint

[sydney_saint]

24 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

Goalkeepers usually don't reach their peak until they are at least in their late 20s. The best ones are mostly over 30. In 10 years' time, we'll find out how good Bazunu is. Right now, he should only be used sparingly in cup games, like the one against Grimsby, to build his confidence.

Meanwhile, the clean sheet king, Fraser Forster has racked up another two in the last 7 days, taking his total to well over 200.

Exactly. Excluding the big 6. The ages of the first choice keepers are.

Sa- 30

Pickford - 28

Neto - 33

Martinez - 30

Meslier - 22

Ward - 29

Fabianksi-37

Navas - 36

Guaita - 36

Raya - 27

Sanchez -25

Leno - 30

Pope - 30

Bazunu - 21

 

So really the only exception is Meslier. Every other club just about has gone for experience

[davefizzy14]

I would personally give Bazunu a rest now and get Willy in between the sticks. We need the extra experience and leadership.

[Weston Super Saint]

I don't get how a year in the championship is going to make him a better 'keeper.

It appears his biggest weaknesses are positioning (fair enough, that may improve but no reason why it can't in the PL) and not being able to catch / stop shots.  I just don't see how that is going to improve no matter what league he plays in.

[CB Fry]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I don't get how a year in the championship is going to make him a better 'keeper.

It appears his biggest weaknesses are positioning (fair enough, that may improve but no reason why it can't in the PL) and not being able to catch / stop shots.  I just don't see how that is going to improve no matter what league he plays in.

A year in the Championship might not make him a better keeper but he could well be a perfectly good keeper for us in the Championship. Two things not necessarily the same thing.

Kelvin Davies famously couldn't hack the Prem but was a good keeper in the Championship for us and Ipswich.

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, sydney_saint said:

Exactly. Excluding the big 6. The ages of the first choice keepers are.

Sa- 30

Pickford - 28

Neto - 33

Martinez - 30

Meslier - 22

Ward - 29

Fabianksi-37

Navas - 36

Guaita - 36

Raya - 27

Sanchez -25

Leno - 30

Pope - 30

Bazunu - 21

 

So really the only exception is Meslier. Every other club just about has gone for experience

But we know best.

 

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I don't get how a year in the championship is going to make him a better 'keeper.

It appears his biggest weaknesses are positioning (fair enough, that may improve but no reason why it can't in the PL) and not being able to catch / stop shots.  I just don't see how that is going to improve no matter what league he plays in.

He seems to have a few weaknesses. Positioning, saving shots, claiming crosses, he seems to be okay with the ball at his feet. Kind of like how Elyanoussi is good when he’s no where near the ball, Gav seems to be good when he’s not having to keep the ball out of the net.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Turkish said:

He seems to have a few weaknesses. Positioning, saving shots, claiming crosses, he seems to be okay with the ball at his feet. Kind of like how Elyanoussi is good when he’s no where near the ball, Gav seems to be good when he’s not having to keep the ball out of the net.

Quick Question.  Are you the type of fan that can see Gav's potential?

 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Quick Question.  Are you the type of fan that can see Gav's potential?

 

Honestly, I don’t see a premier league keeper in there. He might go on to become one but right now he looks miles off it. He reminds me of Gazzaniga when he was thrust into the first team when he was here because it quickly became apparent that Davis wasn’t good enough. Despite being highly rated in league one was no where near ready for the premier league and pretty much every shot on target went in, much like now. 

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Nordic Saint said:

Goalkeepers usually don't reach their peak until they are at least in their late 20s. The best ones are mostly over 30. In 10 years' time, we'll find out how good Bazunu is. Right now, he should only be used sparingly in cup games, like the one against Grimsby, to build his confidence.

Meanwhile, the clean sheet king, Fraser Forster has racked up another two in the last 7 days, taking his total to well over 200.

Genuinely believe we'd be outside the drop zone if Forster was our number one. 

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Genuinely believe we'd be outside the drop zone if Forster was our number one. 

If Forster had been in goal, he would still be diving for Firpo’s shot right now. He’s actually a pretty good metaphor for Saints in that he will go down eventually, it just takes seven years.

[Saint Garrett]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Meh.

Woefully exposed by the paper thin excuse for a defence in front of him. With a different goalkeeper the results would have been much the same.

I disagree. There is no doubt that that hasn’t helped, but Bazunu doesn’t ever save anything, if we had Forster for example there this season, he’d have made the odd save that he shouldn’t, look at how many games we’ve lost by 1 goal. I think a more solid experienced keeper would have improved our defence too. Unfortunately Bazunu has been a disaster for us this season, 

[Wade Garrett]

56 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

A year in the Championship might not make him a better keeper but he could well be a perfectly good keeper for us in the Championship. Two things not necessarily the same thing.

Kelvin Davies famously couldn't hack the Prem but was a good keeper in the Championship for us and Ipswich.

He can’t save shit.  Doesn’t matter if it’s a Premier League game or a Championship one.

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

I disagree. There is no doubt that that hasn’t helped, but Bazunu doesn’t ever save anything, if we had Forster for example there this season, he’d have made the odd save that he shouldn’t, look at how many games we’ve lost by 1 goal. I think a more solid experienced keeper would have improved our defence too. Unfortunately Bazunu has been a disaster for us this season, 

I agree. Forster wasn’t great but he could occasionally have wonder games where he was unbeatable and also pulled off saves you wouldn’t expect him to make. Forster is probably about our level, a bottom half premier league keeper, at the moment Bazunu is no where near that level 

[Saint_clark]

30 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If Forster had been in goal, he would still be diving for Firpo’s shot right now. He’s actually a pretty good metaphor for Saints in that he will go down eventually, it just takes seven years.

Forster would have been better positioned and got one of his size 15 clogs in the way of the ball, wouldn't have needed to dive.

[Galway saint]

In terms of mistakes that send us down I put playing him all season just below appointing jones. Forster would have had us a few points better off. This season has been straight out of the playbook of how to get relegated. At least in the past we had no money but this is largely self inflicted
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CB Fry]

33 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

He can’t save shit.  Doesn’t matter if it’s a Premier League game or a Championship one.

Well, Pompey seemed to like him, so he must have a level somewhere.

[washsaint]

What does it matter?  Does not matter who we have in goal - we could not score in a brothel.  And that's where the real problems lie.  Zero creativity and garbage like Adams and Armstrong to miss chances when we do get them.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Forster would have been better positioned and got one of his size 15 clogs in the way of the ball, wouldn't have needed to dive.

Last year Forster played in the 3-0 loss at Brentford, the 0-6 against Chelsea, 1-4 against Man City, 0-2 against Burnley and 1-2 at home to Watford. We weren’t better with him in the team.

[Saint_clark]

27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Last year Forster played in the 3-0 loss at Brentford, the 0-6 against Chelsea, 1-4 against Man City, 0-2 against Burnley and 1-2 at home to Watford. We weren’t better with him in the team.

He also played in the 2-0 win against Everton, the 2-0 win against Norwich, the 1-0 win against Arsenal and the 8-0 win against Newport. I'm not saying we never lost a game or conceded a goal with Forster in the team, i'm saying he was a lot better than Bazunu and we would be a lot better off with him in the side now. 

His overall record in the Prem is a clean sheet every 3 games, Bazunus so far is a clean sheet every 12 games. 

 

Or another way of looking at it; 

Forster last season - 19 games, 3 clean sheets, 35 goals conceded

Bazunu his season - 24 games, 2 clean sheets, 41 goals conceded.

Edited 26 February, 2023 by Saint_clark

[Lighthouse]

17 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

He also played in the 2-0 win against Everton, the 2-0 win against Norwich, the 1-0 win against Arsenal and the 8-0 win against Newport. I'm not saying we never lost a game or conceded a goal with Forster in the team, i'm saying he was a lot better than Bazunu and we would be a lot better off with him in the side now. 

His overall record in the Prem is a clean sheet every 3 games, Bazunus so far is a clean sheet every 12 games. 

 

Or another way of looking at it; 

Forster last season - 19 games, 3 clean sheets, 35 goals conceded

Bazunu his season - 24 games, 2 clean sheets, 41 goals conceded.

So Forster conceded 1.8 goals per game, Baz concedes 1.7.

[Appy]

Can anyone who calls him Bazuna be banned? 

[Saint_clark]

33 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So Forster conceded 1.8 goals per game, Baz concedes 1.7.

Jesus...

I am genuinely stunned that there are people who have watched us play this season and believe that Bazunu is better for us than Forster would have been. Frasers only played 4 games this season and equalled Bazunus clean sheets tally. 

Bazunu is unequivocally the worst first choice keeper in the league and worse than at least half the leagues reserve keepers too.  People go on about not getting a striker in the summer, but signing a 20 year old league one player rather than an experienced keeper is the decision that will most contribute to us going down. He hasn't once made a significant positive impact upon a game. 

[washsaint]

28 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Jesus...

I am genuinely stunned that there are people who have watched us play this season and believe that Bazunu is better for us than Forster would have been. Frasers only played 4 games this season and equalled Bazunus clean sheets tally. 

Bazunu is unequivocally the worst first choice keeper in the league and worse than at least half the leagues reserve keepers too.  People go on about not getting a striker in the summer, but signing a 20 year old league one player rather than an experienced keeper is the decision that will most contribute to us going down. He hasn't once made a significant positive impact upon a game. 

Rubbish - the thing that will contribute most to us going down is being unable to score goals or any creativity.  2 goals in open play in 10 games now isn't it? 

People keep bleating on about Stuart Armstrong but he has been garbage for the last 18 months or so and is a complete liability.  Che Adams could not hit a barn door at 6 yards and Adam Armstrong.......

While Bazanu has been poor our real problems (for the last 2 years have been in creating and scoring goals.

We are garbage in all areas and are deservedly going down.

 

 

[Lighthouse]

34 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Jesus...

I am genuinely stunned that there are people who have watched us play this season and believe that Bazunu is better for us than Forster would have been. Frasers only played 4 games this season and equalled Bazunus clean sheets tally. 

Bazunu is unequivocally the worst first choice keeper in the league and worse than at least half the leagues reserve keepers too.  People go on about not getting a striker in the summer, but signing a 20 year old league one player rather than an experienced keeper is the decision that will most contribute to us going down. He hasn't once made a significant positive impact upon a game. 

WTF?! He plays for Spurs and why are you obsessing over clean sheets, as opposed to actual goals conceded? Your metric could be used to prove that a 0-9 and a 0-0 were better than the 2-1 against Chelsea and 1-1 against Arsenal.

Forster is not an improvement, just another name in the sorry list of substandard ‘keepers we’ve had since promotion.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

I turned on the radio yesterday, and the first words were "that's a great save from Forster." I just sighed and turned over the station.

[austsaint]

6 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

A wheelie bin I reckon would have a bigger save ratio if you plonked one in the centre of the goal for the rest of the season.

With the lid up or down?

[pimpin4rizeal]

I’m starting to wonder if he’s just a Hologram .as any shot at him goes through him like one .

It’s absolutely nuts that he still gets played week in week out. Why are we gambling our safety persisting with a teenage keeper who just isn’t good enough ?

it’s one position you don’t even really need to devolop youngsters in too we would be far better off with a experienced head,

[Weston Super Saint]

11 hours ago, CB Fry said:

A year in the Championship might not make him a better keeper but he could well be a perfectly good keeper for us in the Championship. Two things not necessarily the same thing.

Kelvin Davies famously couldn't hack the Prem but was a good keeper in the Championship for us and Ipswich.

That's a fair point and Championship may be his level, but a lot of people claiming a year in the Championship will turn him into a PL level 'keeper.

I guess it's only a matter of time and we'll see if he can cut it in the next league down.

[saintscottofthenortham]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

That's a fair point and Championship may be his level, but a lot of people claiming a year in the Championship will turn him into a PL level 'keeper.

I guess it's only a matter of time and we'll see if he can cut it in the next league down.

I think the point some are trying to make is keepers at this age tend to be getting experience at a lower level. Even The Championship would be a big enough ask of a keeper at his age.

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As I posted earlier in this thread, for context...

Kasper Schmeichel was playing League Two with Bury at this age.

Aaron Ramsdale was at Chesterfield, in League Two.

Emilio Martinez was at Oxford, in League Two.

Nick Pope could barely catch a game for Welling United in the Conference South.

 

 

Championship No.1's this year...

• Wilson (Coventry) - 30
• Foderingham (Sheff Utd) - 30
• Muric (Burnley) - 24
• Horvath (Luton) - 27
• Woodman (Preston) - 25
• Bachmann (Watford) - 28
• Allsop (Cardiff) - 30
• Kaminski (Blackburn) - 30
• Johansson (Rotherham) - 24
• Patterson (Sunderland) - 22 (Classy)
• Palmer (West Brom) - 26
• Ruddy (Birmingham) - 36
• Long (Millwall) - 29
• Ingram (Hull) - 29
• Steffen (Middlesbrough) - 27
• Dieng (QPR) - 28
• Amos (Wigan) - 32
• Nicholls (Huddersfield) - 30
• Lumley (Reading) - 28
• Krul (Norwich) - 34 / Gunn (Norwich) - 27
• Benda (Swansea) - 24
• Maxwell (Blackpool) - 32
• O'Leary (Bristol City) - 26
• Palmer (WBA) - 26

He'd still be a year behind even the youngest No.1 there and he (Patterson) is an exception to the rule.

That said, David De Gea was only 20 year old when he joined United, had a pretty torid first season but never looked back after that.

[Chez]

12 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Jesus...

I am genuinely stunned that there are people who have watched us play this season and believe that Bazunu is better for us than Forster would have been. Frasers only played 4 games this season and equalled Bazunus clean sheets tally. 

Bazunu is unequivocally the worst first choice keeper in the league and worse than at least half the leagues reserve keepers too.  People go on about not getting a striker in the summer, but signing a 20 year old league one player rather than an experienced keeper is the decision that will most contribute to us going down. He hasn't once made a significant positive impact upon a game. 

Forster was excellent at saving stuff close to him. He got in the right position, made himself big and did what needed to be done to keep the ball out. Bazunu doesn't stop nearly enough of shots that are close to him. He tries to `save' them rather than block them, if that makes sense. Unlike Forster, he seems to get smaller not bigger. He makes the goal look massive. 

I'm not sure he (Bazunu) really makes up for the failure to save stuff close to him in terms of agility and saving stuff outside of his arc, low and in the corner, which was Forster nemesis. Forster saves that Leeds shot. I am trying to think of the saves Bazunu has made that Forster wouldn't have made. There are probably quite a few, his speed off his line is bound to have got us out of jail several times, but he has to stop more shots that are close to him.

Probably a good thread for one of those XG or XS stats.

 

[Chez]

4 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

 

That said, David De Gea was only 20 year old when he joined United, had a pretty torid first season but never looked back after that.

My memory might not be great, but his saves/blocks with his feet, to shots that were close to him, possibly in the second season, seemed to be the thing that impressed most and really got fans on his side. Bazunu perhaps needs to watch some videos of De Gea and emulate that technique.

[Appy]

The standard of our goalkeepers since promotion have been shocking really. 
 

In my opinion Boruc was the best one and Koeman binned him off.

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Appy said:

The standard of our goalkeepers since promotion have been shocking really. 
 

In my opinion Boruc was the best one and Koeman binned him off.

Yeah it's a shame really as we could have easily got another 4 or 5 years out of him if we hadnt treated him so badly.

[Dman]

13 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

WTF?! He plays for Spurs and why are you obsessing over clean sheets, as opposed to actual goals conceded? Your metric could be used to prove that a 0-9 and a 0-0 were better than the 2-1 against Chelsea and 1-1 against Arsenal.

Forster is not an improvement, just another name in the sorry list of substandard ‘keepers we’ve had since promotion.

Forster is significantly better than Bazunu 😂

Bazunu is a terrible keeper, think Angus Gunn / Gazzingina, but arguably worse. 

He’s easily the worst keeper in the league and that’s including no2’s. He literally doesn’t save a thing. 

[Dman]

18 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Quick Question.  Are you the type of fan that can see Gav's potential?

 

I don’t see it, he doesn’t do anything well.

Physically seems a little small. Maybe he needs game time, but it certainly isn’t at a PL club. 
 

I’m not sure he’s right for a championship team either. 

[SaintTex]

14 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’m starting to wonder if he’s just a Hologram .as any shot at him goes through him like one .

It’s absolutely nuts that he still gets played week in week out. Why are we gambling our safety persisting with a teenage keeper who just isn’t good enough ?

it’s one position you don’t even really need to devolop youngsters in too we would be far better off with a experienced head,

Hologram is exactly the word I was looking for. At times, it looks like the ball goes right through his body (like some weird glitch you see on FIFA 23).