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18 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I'm particularly worried about both West Ham and Everton coming down with us, they'd dominate the league while we scrape about for the play-offs at best. 

West Ham won’t go down. It’s be us Bournemouth and Everton or Leeds. Everton will probably go straight back up. 

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16 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I'm particularly worried about both West Ham and Everton coming down with us, they'd dominate the league while we scrape about for the play-offs at best. 

People said that about West Ham in 2011, they came third. Those two have far more high earners, with bigger egos, who won’t fancy a pay cut in the Championship. The best placed teams are usually the likes of Norwich, Fulham and (until recently) West Brom, who are geared for being around promotion and relegation battles.

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Feel for the kid a bit, yeah he's not great and he fucked up today, should've saved it.   That said, there's tons of pressure on him because he knows we've got little chance of scoring at the other end when he does fuck up.  It's not his fault he was given an opportunity way above his capability. 

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35 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Unsighted for the goal and no other errors today. Don’t think he deserves the stick. If we score 2 goals we win the game, but how many goals have we scored in open play this season? Nowhere near enough is the answer and that’s the primary reason we’re going down.

He was unsighted because, yet a-fucking-gain, he was glued to his near post.

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For context here, a very rough sketch of where Bazunu should be.

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Keepers have four markers...

  1. Post (ball is on byline INSIDE his box)
  2. Two-Step Left/Right (ball inside outer periphery of his box)
  3. One-Step Left/Right (ball left/right of centre on edge or inside edge of his box or outside of box left/right towards corner flag)
  4. Central (default)

In any position you are on your toes ready to move to next position. Never get caught flat footed when needing to position.

As the ball was struck, he was pretty much on his post (should've been one step right (from centre)) and flat-footed. He was two positions out from where he should be and flat-footed.

Below is where he takes up the position when Harrison receives the ball (almost) on the byline. This is okay but as soon as the ball is played back into the box is where he should step back... But he doesn't move an inch from Harrison playing the ball back to Firpo taking the shot. It's criminal goalkeeping.

It would've been the easiest finish of his life in the gaping far corner, if he was any use. Instead he fluffed it and Bednarek chose to watch it whilst Bazunu had blinded himself.

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Bednarek is a complete fucking idiot.  Looks bad from the keeper, but he had no time to get down because of that absolute clown in front of him.

That said, he has been poor all season.  He looks like a keeper that has been coached more as an outfield player.  Technically he looks really poor.

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Yeah re JB, i couldnt understand that he was kind of standing sideways to it, I mean im no professional player or coach, but im sure that isnt how he should be standing. I wondered at the time if he deliberately got out the way as he didnt want to touch it and score another OG.

Poor from the keeper for sure, and he should have saved it, but it should never have got past JB first, who blocked the keepers view also.

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SaintScott, Christ give it a rest.

You don’t need to post essays of analysis to show he isn’t good enough. We can all see it.

All we’re saying is he hasn’t been helped by his lack of midfield in the first half of the season, by which time the defence are overrun.
Equally he isn’t helped when he has liabilities in front of him in Bednarek or Lyanco.

He wasn’t ready for the Prem at the start and still isn’t now.
But choosing between Bazunu and McCarthy now is like choosing whether you would rather step in cow shot or dog shit. Neither is appealing, but we’re stuck now.

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5 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

SaintScott, Christ give it a rest.

You don’t need to post essays of analysis to show he isn’t good enough. We can all see it.

All we’re saying is he hasn’t been helped by his lack of midfield in the first half of the season, by which time the defence are overrun.
Equally he isn’t helped when he has liabilities in front of him in Bednarek or Lyanco.

He wasn’t ready for the Prem at the start and still isn’t now.
But choosing between Bazunu and McCarthy now is like choosing whether you would rather step in cow shot or dog shit. Neither is appealing, but we’re stuck now.

Obviously not, as everyone is blaming Bednarek on account of him blocking Bazunu... Which wasn't Bednarek's issue.

I've pointed out a few instances of the same thing on the subject at hand. Is this not what a forum is for? Prick.

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18 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Obviously not, as everyone is blaming Bednarek on account of him blocking Bazunu... Which wasn't Bednarek's issue.

I've pointed out a few instances of the same thing on the subject at hand. Is this not what a forum is for? Prick.

No need for the aggression. 😂

Bednarek should’ve been blocking that. Imagine Conor Coady, James Tarkowski, Luke Ayling, Steve Cook etc, all solid CBS who throw themselves in front of the shot before the keeper becomes the last resort. “Janny B” doesn’t do that. He just lets him shoot. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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5 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

For context here, a very rough sketch of where Bazunu should be.

BazunuAGAIN.thumb.png.7c99cc5489d4bf3e10a079522f28e631.png

Keepers have four markers...

  1. Post (ball is on byline INSIDE his box)
  2. Two-Step Left/Right (ball inside outer periphery of his box)
  3. One-Step Left/Right (ball left/right of centre on edge or inside edge of his box or outside of box left/right towards corner flag)
  4. Central (default)

In any position you are on your toes ready to move to next position. Never get caught flat footed when needing to position.

As the ball was struck, he was pretty much on his post (should've been one step right (from centre)) and flat-footed. He was two positions out from where he should be and flat-footed.

Below is where he takes up the position when Harrison receives the ball (almost) on the byline. This is okay but as soon as the ball is played back into the box is where he should step back... But he doesn't move an inch from Harrison playing the ball back to Firpo taking the shot. It's criminal goalkeeping.

It would've been the easiest finish of his life in the gaping far corner, if he was any use. Instead he fluffed it and Bednarek chose to watch it whilst Bazunu had blinded himself.

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Yep, 100% this. It's the keepers job to position himself. Hilarious that we've had people all over this thread telling us that it's Bednarek's fault that Baz was stood near his front post and behind one of his players. Sure, Bednarek could have attacked or blocked the ball, but Baz's positioning ain't Bednarek's fault or responsibility. 

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45 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

No need for the aggression. 😂

Bednarek should’ve been blocking that. Imagine Conor Coady, James Tarkowski, Luke Ayling, Steve Cook etc, all solid CBS who throw themselves in front of the shot before the keeper becomes the last resort. “Janny B” doesn’t do that. He just lets him shoot. 🤷🏻‍♂️

You’re on the thread of a subject I posted about and told me to give it a rest. If you don’t want to read what I post, scroll on by. 👍🏻

I know it should never have got that far. It should never have reached Bednarek. But it did and Bazunu made another hash of his positioning, which is a running theme.

I’m not singling him out as a scapegoat. I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. Lamb to the slaughter. 

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Just now, saintscottofthenortham said:

You’re on the thread of a subject I posted about and told me to give it a rest. If you don’t want to read what I post, scroll on by. 👍🏻

I know it should never have got that far. It should never have reached Bednarek. But it did and Bazunu made another hash of his positioning, which is a running theme.

I’m not singling him out as a scapegoat. I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. Lamb to the slaughter. 

I’m in total agreement. He should’ve been taken out the firing line ages ago, for his own confidence more than anything.

We may as well have a five year old on goal, it wouldn’t make much difference either way. 😅

It doesn’t help that he hasn’t got a defence in front of him.

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24 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

How much of his problem is the coaching?

Dunno, but you'd think by now that it'd be ingrained in him where he should be positioning himself. I think the issues with the lad run deeper than coaching tbh - I just don't think he's good enough for this level. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Because he was having to look past Bednarek. Take Bednarek away (please) and he would have seen it and saved it.

The defender defending the near post on the 6-yard line?

Of course Bednarek was shit, but the ball yet again went through Bazunu's hands

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1 hour ago, egg said:

Yep, 100% this. It's the keepers job to position himself. Hilarious that we've had people all over this thread telling us that it's Bednarek's fault that Baz was stood near his front post and behind one of his players. Sure, Bednarek could have attacked or blocked the ball, but Baz's positioning ain't Bednarek's fault or responsibility. 

No goalkeeper should have to dodge about behind a defender standing virtually on his toes.

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I'm no goalkeeping coach, so I could be completely wrong on this, but I'd say if he was stood centrally near that purple line, it'd just have been a Kelvin-esq tap in, low at the near post. The fact is that I'd expect 95% of Premier League players to score from 8 yards out (the 5% being our players) and I would consider it extremely poor finishing not to find a space around the 'keeper from such close range. I think Adams and AA's inability to do it has lowered our collective expectation of finishing prowess.

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4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Because he was having to look past Bednarek. Take Bednarek away (please) and he would have seen it and saved it.

I've been waiting for you to pop up. :)

Yet again... Incorrect. He'd have had better sight of the ball from the correct position and knew where it had gone. (There is no defending this action)

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1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

I'm no goalkeeping coach, so I could be completely wrong on this, but I'd say if he was stood centrally near that purple line, it'd just have been a Kelvin-esq tap in, low at the near post. The fact is that I'd expect 95% of Premier League players to score from 8 yards out (the 5% being our players) and I would consider it extremely poor finishing not to find a space around the 'keeper from such close range. I think Adams and AA's inability to do it has lowered our collective expectation of finishing prowess.

It isn't central... It's one step right. It's where every other keeper in the league would be.

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1 hour ago, egg said:

Yep, 100% this. It's the keepers job to position himself. Hilarious that we've had people all over this thread telling us that it's Bednarek's fault that Baz was stood near his front post and behind one of his players. Sure, Bednarek could have attacked or blocked the ball, but Baz's positioning ain't Bednarek's fault or responsibility. 

Take a wider view. We have three defenders standing around, two in the goal area and one just outside it. Then count the unmarked Leeds players all waiting to have a shot. Our defence is a total mess and it doesn’t matter who you put in goal with that shambles in front of him.

By the time the opposition have got themselves to the edge of the goal area they are almost certainly going to score.

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1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

IT WENT THROUGH HIS HANDS

HIS HAND, NOT HANDS.

But his view was blocked by Bednarek who even twitches a foot towards the ball as it rolls by him. 
 

If that had been an opposition player standing in an offside position the goal would have been disallowed for interference.

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8 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I've been waiting for you to pop up. :)

Yet again... Incorrect. He'd have had better sight of the ball from the correct position and knew where it had gone. (There is no defending this action)

But then Bednarek would have moved across too. It’s what he does. He retreats until he’s standing right in front of the goalkeeper.

It’s only natural that you, as a former goalkeeper, look at our individual’s positioning but as a former defensive myself I criticise the whole defence, goalkeeper included.

Did you ever have a centre half who stood on your toes?

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2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

HIS HAND, NOT HANDS.

But his view was blocked by Bednarek who even twitches a foot towards the ball as it rolls by him. 
 

If that had been an opposition player standing in an offside position the goal would have been disallowed for interference.

It could have ben 10 men stood in front of him.  The ball was right at him and it should have been saved (again)

he is a weoful keeper, no better than Gunn

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5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But then Bednarek would have moved across too. It’s what he does. He retreats until he’s standing right in front of the goalkeeper.

It’s only natural that you, as a former goalkeeper, look at our individual’s positioning but as a former defensive myself I criticise the whole defence, goalkeeper included.

Did you ever have a centre half who stood on your toes?

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Is McCarthy fit or just out of favour? A Selles clean slate reprieve should be considered. Despite his known shortcomings I’d prefer AM for the run in given our idiotically limited options (140 odd prem games over Cabelleros 30 odd). Think Gavin needs a ‘rest’.  To be honest only Lavia of the Man City baby gang deserves to be a shoe-in the first team as we go into the next few months, not a time to be learning on the job. 

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Question for the audience:

Who has cost us more points this season ?

Bazunu in goal, ( not taking account of our defending ), or our shot shy strikers who, along with the rest of the outfield players, have managed 2 goals in the same league match only three times all season, all in August, and have failed to score at all in 9 league games.

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1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Because he was having to look past Bednarek. Take Bednarek away (please) and he would have seen it and saved it.

Doubt it, he doesn’t fucking save anything that’s not routine (and he lets a fair few of them in as well).  
 

I can’t recall one save he’s made that  he shouldn’t really have got to, not one. Other keepers make mistakes but make up for them by saving ones that should go in. This bloke lets the hard ones in and then a fair portion of easy ones as well.  
 

He’s unbelievably lucky to be playing in the Premier league. 

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23 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Take a wider view. We have three defenders standing around, two in the goal area and one just outside it. Then count the unmarked Leeds players all waiting to have a shot. Our defence is a total mess and it doesn’t matter who you put in goal with that shambles in front of him.

By the time the opposition have got themselves to the edge of the goal area they are almost certainly going to score.

You are conflating issues again to try to defend Baz. The ball should not have got away from the corner. Bednarek should have reacted to the the fella shooting. He should have stuck a leg out for a block. None of that alters that Baz was again in a poor position. Scott has illustrated that perfectly above. 

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32 minutes ago, egg said:

You are conflating issues again to try to defend Baz. The ball should not have got away from the corner. Bednarek should have reacted to the the fella shooting. He should have stuck a leg out for a block. None of that alters that Baz was again in a poor position. Scott has illustrated that perfectly above. 

I’m not defending him whatever anyone might think. I have always said that it’s a collective defensive problem. Whatever position Baz was in they would have scored. Once any body gets to the edge of your goal area they’re going to score. They simply pass the ball around any defenders including the goalkeeper.

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Doubt it, he doesn’t fucking save anything that’s not routine (and he lets a fair few of them in as well).  
 

I can’t recall one save he’s made that  he shouldn’t really have got to, not one. Other keepers make mistakes but make up for them by saving ones that should go in. This bloke lets the hard ones in and then a fair portion of easy ones as well.  
 

He’s unbelievably lucky to be playing in the Premier league. 

Exactly this. 

It would have been a very good save if he had kept it out. However, an EPL goalkeeper should be making a fair chunk of very good saves, and Bazunu doesn't. It's not good enough to be an 'okay' keeper at this level, you need to be a very good keeper. If we take the relegation rivals keepers, most of them are saving it, or at least regularly producing saves of that quality. Fabianksi, Pickford, Sa, Meslier. Not sure if Neto would have kept it out, but that's about 1 goalkeeper in the entire division. Then look at the quality of keepers throughout the league from not the classically big clubs. Martinez, Leno, Sanchez and Pope. Navas was a hell of a signing for Forest and he's already saved them more points than Bazunu has for us all season. Every single one of the names I have said have far more chance of keeping that out than Bazunu. So it may not have been a howler, but its in line with his entire season.

I'm not even sure if he is showing that much promise even for a youngster. Take two of the young keepers recently blooded in the EPL. Meslier and Ramsdale. Both of them made some utter howlers in their first season. But both were also making some absolute worldies. Bazunu needs a season in the championship, which at his age would still be a fantastic experience. 

As an example of our own history. In our first season back we obviously had some major keeper issues as Davis was not up to it. We could have played Gazza all season, seeing as he was back up. Instead we were decisive and brought in the experience of Boruc who made a massive difference to our season. If we had gone with Gazza, we could well have gone down. 

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2 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I've been waiting for you to pop up. :)

Yet again... Incorrect. He'd have had better sight of the ball from the correct position and knew where it had gone. (There is no defending this action)

Six of one, half a dozen of the other?

If he moves to where he 'should' have been, then he's having to rely on Janny fucking B to defend the near post.  In that situation, it's a goal at the near post which is a heinous crime for a 'keeper.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't with that fucking wet lettuce in front of him, no wonder his confidence is shot to pieces.

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2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Six of one, hald a dozen of the other?

If he moves to where he 'should' have been, then he's having to rely on Janny fucking B to defend the near post.  In that situation, it's a goal at the near post which is a heinous crime for a 'keeper.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't with that fucking wet lettuce in front of him, no wonder his confidence is shot to pieces.

With a clear sight he should be getting down quicker and it was nowhere near the corner, so likely would’ve been a fairly routine stop. Fact is, he wasn’t where any keeper, at any level, should be and it’s a recurring theme. It had cost us goals already, did so again and will continue to do so. I can’t for a second believe their Sparkes isn’t pulling his hair out over these.

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1 minute ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

With a clear sight he should be getting down quicker and it was nowhere near the corner, so likely would’ve been a fairly routine stop. Fact is, he wasn’t where any keeper, at any level, should be and it’s a recurring theme. It had cost us goals already, did so again and will continue to do so. I can’t for a second believe their Sparkes isn’t pulling his hair out over these.

Hang on, I've not said it was anywhere near the corner.  The point I was making is that IF he was in the correct position, then there WOULD have been a gaping hole towards the near post with just Janny fucking B in it.  I think we all know what the result would be in that situation just like his own goal the other week :mcinnes:

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1 minute ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

With a clear sight he should be getting down quicker and it was nowhere near the corner, so likely would’ve been a fairly routine stop. Fact is, he wasn’t where any keeper, at any level, should be and it’s a recurring theme. It had cost us goals already, did so again and will continue to do so. I can’t for a second believe their Sparkes isn’t pulling his hair out over these.

But with a clear sight the shot, if you can call it that, would not have gone to that position. These attackers don’t just close their eyes and shoot blindly. Firpo waits until Bednarek is in line with Baz before he has a go. He’s on the edge of the six yard box. He’s going to score.

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7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Hang on, I've not said it was anywhere near the corner.  The point I was making is that IF he was in the correct position, then there WOULD have been a gaping hole towards the near post with just Janny fucking B in it.  I think we all know what the result would be in that situation just like his own goal the other week :mcinnes:

It’s not a gaping hole at the near post. It’s the standard gap which is reachable with a standard dive. Advantage is with the attacker in that position, of course, but you give yourself a chance. If Firpo had half a finishing brain he would’ve rolled the ball into the far corner and then Baz really would’ve looked silly and you might actually understand just how badly positioned he was. You don’t stand on one post so it’s covered and leave the other wide open, FFS. 

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9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But with a clear sight the shot, if you can call it that, would not have gone to that position. These attackers don’t just close their eyes and shoot blindly. Firpo waits until Bednarek is in line with Baz before he has a go. He’s on the edge of the six yard box. He’s going to score.

Whitey you don’t half chat some. Firpo fluffed the finish… it was woeful. Baz and Bednarek being in line had nothing to do with it. If he used his head he would’ve gone far post, as it was a free hit. Stop talking such pony. It’s too funny. 

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