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2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I’ve just had a look at it again. If he had saved it then it would have been in the Gordon Banks / Pele category. It was headed down to his left and hit the ground just in front of him. 

If you expect any goalkeeper to routinely save those then you are going to be disappointed.

It was straight at him, and it wasn't the first this season.

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Lord Duckhunter

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A dozen top flight keepers would have kept that out. “Save of the season”,  what a load of old pony. 
 

Here’s the big difference between our keeper and every other one in the league. Whilst other keepers make mistakes, let soft ones in, they also save probable goals. Our bloke lets in ones he should save, but also let’s the ones in he shouldn’t. Other keepers sometimes pull off great saves, this bloke never does. I honestly can’t recall ever thinking “he did well to save that”. Perhaps his Grandad can think of one. To me he makes routine saves, and also makes fuck ups, that’s it…. It wouldn’t be so bad if he made routine saves and didn’t fuck up, or makes great saves but fucks up occasionally. 

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Whitey Grandad

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25 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

A dozen top flight keepers would have kept that out. “Save of the season”,  what a load of old pony. 
 

Here’s the big difference between our keeper and every other one in the league. Whilst other keepers make mistakes, let soft ones in, they also save probable goals. Our bloke lets in ones he should save, but also lets the ones in he shouldn’t. Other keepers sometimes pull off great saves, this bloke never does. I honestly can’t recall ever thinking “he did well to save that”. Perhaps his Grandad can think of one. To me he makes routine saves, and also makes fuck ups, that’s it…. It wouldn’t be so bad if he made routine saves and didn’t fuck up, or makes great saves but fucks up occasionally. 

No they wouldn’t. 
 

Whatever he has or hasn’t done on other occasions, he had very little chance yesterday.

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5 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No they wouldn’t. 
 

Whatever he has or hasn’t done on other occasions, he had very little chance yesterday.

Agree with you.   Look at the replay and you notice that things worked out perfectly for Watkins.  He had an unchecked run at the cross, which came in perfectly for him; made strong contact from well inside the penalty spot - and to use a cricket expression, "yorked". Bazunu to his left hand side.

Bazunu is making plenty of errors, and the Club's decision to put their faith in a young, inexperienced keeper is one of the reasons relegation is looming large.     Yet he really did have little chance of saving that - I doubt the very good keeper at the other end would have kept it out.

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22 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s because he is a superb keeper. One of the best in the world and has a medal to prove it.

Why don’t we have one like him? Money.

We don't have a keeper like him because of our choice, and our coaching. Martinez only cost Villa £8m more than Bazunu cost us (or just over one Larios), (20 vs 12) and his wages wouldn't have been that much more as an Arsenal squad player compared to Bazunu as a City player.

We needed a keeper with experience to lead a young defence, and we have the draw of coming to England and the biggest league in the world as a draw, so reasonably we could have signed a better keeper. 

I really don't know why we aren't banging down Juventus' door for Mattia Perin, they really need wages gone right now and he's their number 2

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3 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

We don't have a keeper like him because of our choice, and our coaching. Martinez only cost Villa £8m more than Bazunu cost us (or just over one Larios), (20 vs 12) and his wages wouldn't have been that much more as an Arsenal squad player compared to Bazunu as a City player.

We needed a keeper with experience to lead a young defence, and we have the draw of coming to England and the biggest league in the world as a draw, so reasonably we could have signed a better keeper. 

I really don't know why we aren't banging down Juventus' door for Mattia Perin, they really need wages gone right now and he's their number 2

There were plenty out there in the summer. Pope was 9-10m, Perin as you suggested, Leno was £6m. Even Neto at Bournemouth.

We simply weren't looking in that market though, so didn't even consider any of those.

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He had a few bad kicks vs Villa but i wouldn't blame him overly for the goal. Decent delivery, free header, and placed it low down with pace from 8 yards out. Keeper has to cover the trajectory of the cross and stop a header for the opposite corner. People just looking for someone to blame if they're being hyper critical of that - and there are plenty of places to start before you get to Bazunu.

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And we wonder why our defence then doesn’t look overly confident when you’ve got a flappy teenager behind them. I’d have rather had Forster playing this season with Bazunu coming in for cups etc. but like you say above, there were so many keepers on the move in the summer, and to not improve our keeping position from last season is nothing short of a disgrace really. 

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19 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

He had a few bad kicks vs Villa but i wouldn't blame him overly for the goal. Decent delivery, free header, and placed it low down with pace from 8 yards out. Keeper has to cover the trajectory of the cross and stop a header for the opposite corner. People just looking for someone to blame if they're being hyper critical of that - and there are plenty of places to start before you get to Bazunu.

For me the blame for the actual goal we conceded falls with Lyanco. He plays Watkins onside, by being a foot or two behind the rest of the line, and then misjudges the ball and jumps under it.

That being said, overall Bazunu isn't good enough right now to help stop us from being relegated

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17 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

For me the blame for the actual goal we conceded falls with Lyanco. He plays Watkins onside, by being a foot or two behind the rest of the line, and then misjudges the ball and jumps under it.

That being said, overall Bazunu isn't good enough right now to help stop us from being relegated

Or you could blame Mara for giving away such a stupid pointless free kick in the first place

 

but in the set up the defender in the line behind Lyanco (Salisu i think) should’ve been organising Lyanco to let him know where the rest of the line were 

 

and re Bazunu, individually that wouldn’t have been an easy save, but the problem is there have been so many that he would’ve / should’ve been a 20%-50% chance of saving but he doesn’t save any of them, so whilst not at fault he doesn’t get that extra save or 2 in

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Can anyone seriously make a good case for Bazunu as a first choice keeper in the Premier League? What makes him suitable? What are his strengths? Does he make lots of great saves, command his box, make correct decisions quickly, communicate well with his defence? I don't think he does any of those things well at the moment. Maybe his time will come but it certainly isn't now and we are suffering because of it. That's not me scapegoating him because I agree others are culpable but this thread happens to be about Bazunu.

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1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

And we wonder why our defence then doesn’t look overly confident when you’ve got a flappy teenager behind them. I’d have rather had Forster playing this season with Bazunu coming in for cups etc. but like you say above, there were so many keepers on the move in the summer, and to not improve our keeping position from last season is nothing short of a disgrace really. 

You could flip this around completely. Perhaps Bazunu’s confidence is affected by the abject defending at times. I have been a fan of DCC since he came into the team, but he was completely at fault for the goal on Saturday, as he was marking Watkins and decided to not track back at all and ended up 2 yards behind him. Probably expecting the defence to have held their line, but we seem too inclined to rely on playing the opposition offside and it is being timed well by the opposition. We must have conceded about 8 to 10 goals in the same way, from either a cross, free kick or through ball this season. Why the coaches haven’t changed this approach and simply defend the box as other compact teams do I just don’t know. Everyone seems to be scapegoating Bazunu simply because he is young, and most mistakes he makes results in conceding a goal, but if an outfield player concedes the ball or leaves their runner it still becomes the keepers fault. Lazy supporter attitude I’m afraid. My overall opinion is that the margins between us being successful or not are very small, and given the right support I still feel we can turn things around, butturning on the players won’t help.

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39 minutes ago, saintant said:

Can anyone seriously make a good case for Bazunu as a first choice keeper in the Premier League? What makes him suitable? What are his strengths? Does he make lots of great saves, command his box, make correct decisions quickly, communicate well with his defence? I don't think he does any of those things well at the moment. Maybe his time will come but it certainly isn't now and we are suffering because of it. That's not me scapegoating him because I agree others are culpable but this thread happens to be about Bazunu.

His strongest attribute is his distribution, but that's been pretty dour all season. Unfortunately, he doesn't encourage calmness in the side, and he doesnt save shots, he doesn't command his box and come out enough either for me.

Confidence is massive for a keeper, and he's just not ready yet.

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1 hour ago, polegategavin said:

You could flip this around completely. Perhaps Bazunu’s confidence is affected by the abject defending at times. I have been a fan of DCC since he came into the team, but he was completely at fault for the goal on Saturday, as he was marking Watkins and decided to not track back at all and ended up 2 yards behind him. Probably expecting the defence to have held their line, but we seem too inclined to rely on playing the opposition offside and it is being timed well by the opposition. We must have conceded about 8 to 10 goals in the same way, from either a cross, free kick or through ball this season. Why the coaches haven’t changed this approach and simply defend the box as other compact teams do I just don’t know. Everyone seems to be scapegoating Bazunu simply because he is young, and most mistakes he makes results in conceding a goal, but if an outfield player concedes the ball or leaves their runner it still becomes the keepers fault. Lazy supporter attitude I’m afraid. My overall opinion is that the margins between us being successful or not are very small, and given the right support I still feel we can turn things around, butturning on the players won’t help.

But do you think Bazunu is currently good enough to play in the Premier League? Do you think he'd start for any other team in the division?

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1 hour ago, polegategavin said:

Everyone seems to be scapegoating Bazunu simply because he is young, and most mistakes he makes results in conceding a goal, but if an outfield player concedes the ball or leaves their runner it still becomes the keepers fault. Lazy supporter attitude I’m afraid. 

“Lazy supporter attitude” what a load of old pony. He’s getting criticism because he lets goals in he should stop, nothing more nothing less. It’s nothing to do with his age. Every keeper makes mistakes that result in goals but this bloke makes more than most. There’s also absolutely nothing on the other side of the ledger, saves that kept us in games or won us points. If the Villa keeper chucks one is his own net Sat their supporters will look at the Leeds game where he made 2 outstanding saves and Sat whee he made a good one at the end. What do we look at, when has he ever made a save that wasn’t routine? 

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3 hours ago, polegategavin said:

You could flip this around completely. Perhaps Bazunu’s confidence is affected by the abject defending at times. I have been a fan of DCC since he came into the team, but he was completely at fault for the goal on Saturday, as he was marking Watkins and decided to not track back at all and ended up 2 yards behind him. Probably expecting the defence to have held their line, but we seem too inclined to rely on playing the opposition offside and it is being timed well by the opposition. We must have conceded about 8 to 10 goals in the same way, from either a cross, free kick or through ball this season. Why the coaches haven’t changed this approach and simply defend the box as other compact teams do I just don’t know. Everyone seems to be scapegoating Bazunu simply because he is young, and most mistakes he makes results in conceding a goal, but if an outfield player concedes the ball or leaves their runner it still becomes the keepers fault. Lazy supporter attitude I’m afraid. My overall opinion is that the margins between us being successful or not are very small, and given the right support I still feel we can turn things around, butturning on the players won’t help.

Some of the ‘lazy’ fans you refer to are likely criticising Bazunu for individual errors having seen both very poor and very good goalkeepers playing for Southampton over the years. It’s a shit and shinola thing. Youth is indeed a factor, and the club should have a competent experienced keeper in front of him to protect his development. For many who regularly watch the side home and away GB looks like Angus Gunn mark two at present. 

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1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Some of the ‘lazy’ fans you refer to are likely criticising Bazunu for individual errors having seen both very poor and very good goalkeepers playing for Southampton over the years. It’s a shit and shinola thing. Youth is indeed a factor, and the club should have a competent experienced keeper in front of him to protect his development. For many who regularly watch the side home and away GB looks like Angus Gunn mark two at present. 

Having been a season ticket holder now for more than 15 years, and attending a good percentage of games before that for over 25 years, I’ve seen all standards of keeper. I also played football to National League level, albeit as an outfield player, and IMHO Bazunu is a far better keeper than Gunn was, and I also feel he makes far fewer mistakes than McCarthy did/ would. If we could have afforded a keeper , and attracted them, we would have clearly signed Bazunu as understudy. But some of the vitriol against him, especially when you look back at the abject performances from both McCarthy and Foster in recent history, and now they are being held up as a better option, is unfair in my opinion. Sometimes just because a keeper concedes a higher number of goals they become a bad keeper. I’d like to know the mistakes he has made that have made some fans feel he is so bad?

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1 hour ago, polegategavin said:

Having been a season ticket holder now for more than 15 years, and attending a good percentage of games before that for over 25 years, I’ve seen all standards of keeper. I also played football to National League level, albeit as an outfield player, and IMHO Bazunu is a far better keeper than Gunn was, and I also feel he makes far fewer mistakes than McCarthy did/ would. If we could have afforded a keeper , and attracted them, we would have clearly signed Bazunu as understudy. But some of the vitriol against him, especially when you look back at the abject performances from both McCarthy and Foster in recent history, and now they are being held up as a better option, is unfair in my opinion. Sometimes just because a keeper concedes a higher number of goals they become a bad keeper. I’d like to know the mistakes he has made that have made some fans feel he is so bad?

Over the 40 years you've been watching Saints, which first choice keepers do you think Bazunu in current form / stage of development would get the nod over?  Personally I can't think of too many.  We paid £12m for the kid, I would have preferred Dean Henderson on season long loan or Sam Johnstone on a free alongside for a relegation battle, but it's horses for courses. 

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5 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

 

Feel sorry for the guy, we gambled with one of the positions we couldn't afford to gamble on. If we're not careful this is going to erode any potential he once had and we'll have another Gunn on our hands.

I think there is something there, but he should be in the squad not a first choice. It's the default setting the club seems to run with, ''oh we got it right once, that must mean we've cracked the approach.'' - Cue lots of attempts to sign Tino's in multiple positions. Tino was a freak, to think we are now basing our approach on that one deal being success is just nonsense from the club.

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He needs to be loaned out and an experienced keeper, even if it be on loan needs to come in.

Bazunu continually playing will cost us more than it already has. His confidence must be shattered. A wheelie bin would be a better in goal right now.

I like Bazunu but he needs to be taken out the firing line now. This was one position we couldn’t gamble with in the summer and he’s currently going down the Angus Gunn route.

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17 minutes ago, saintant said:

The complete blunder by SR of not signing a capable experienced goalkeeper is worse than their failure to sign a striker - they are allowing a youngster to be hung out to dry week in week out which is clearly destroying his confidence.

He looked like a nervous wreck every time he had the ball at his feet last night. Horrible to watch.

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1 minute ago, SambaMaverick said:

He looked like a nervous wreck every time he had the ball at his feet last night. Horrible to watch.

Yet we compound the problem with a ridiculous goal kick routine with CC and Lyanco standing on sentry duty at the corners of the six yard box.

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19 minutes ago, saintant said:

We were completely robbed by City - they made suckers of us.

Why do they have such an amazing record for their academy? As far as I can tell, Foden is the only really decent player to come out of it in the last decade or so. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will have other examples, but only him and maybe someone like Angelino come to mind. Sancho doesn't really count as he came from Watford and only stayed a couple of years. We are handing over tens of millions to them without them really having much of a track record. We got properly done over by Gunn, and most likely done over again with Baz (huge money for a goalkeeper who hasn't played above league one, not his fault we paid it though). 

I get going for Chelsea academy players, but what's so special about City?

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Seems crazy that our own academy hasn’t produced a quality keeper!

Been under the stewardship of Bartram for the past 12 years (thankfully he’s left)  they held invited trails a few years back and my son was asked to go along.

I got the impression that they were looking for ready made top youth keepers rather than spend time developing any of high maybe the issue in that department? 

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8 minutes ago, Badger said:

Read on BBC this morning that Pope cost £10m. Obviously there is a wage issue, but waht cost staying up ?

If he’d have just had half the clean sheets his has at Newcastle with us the better league position plus his the extra £3m fee would have been more than covered. Obviously he’d always have chosen Newcastle over us but shows what difference a decent keeper makes.

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11 minutes ago, Badger said:

Read on BBC this morning that Pope cost £10m. Obviously there is a wage issue, but waht cost staying up ?

Not just Pope, we could have also had Leno who has also had a decent season. £6-7m for him, signed by a promoted side so totally in our remit if we weren't so obsessed with 'sell on potential'. 

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Were we actually ever in the running for Pope? Feels like Newcastle would have always been the 1st choice over us.

Re. Bazunu. He has struggled at times. He clearly has potential too. I think the big flaw was having him step in 1st choice in a struggling defence. Young players need support and experience to settle in. But it feels like we've thrust him into a burning building. The same thing happened with Gunn. 

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2 hours ago, polegategavin said:

Goalkeepers always get the credit for clean sheets, but it is actually teams that earn clean sheets.

Agreed, but the best team in the world can't keep clean sheets regularly with a keeper like Bazunu. We only kept one against City because they couldn't manage a shot on target.

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4 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

In a transfer window where Henderson, Pope and Leno were all available we got Bazunu and paid more than the other three would have cost us. Up there with Carillo in terms of how bad a transfer this was.

It’s obviously no where near as bad as that, you could argue Carillo Is the worst signing of all time by any club given the cost, circumstances and the fact we couldn’t even give him away. Bazunu has potential but he’s no where near ready to be a first choice premier league keeper. Some of us said this at the time it’s huge gamble for such a difficult position to throw someone in who’d never played above league one level. Of course our statsmen said we were wrong and pointed to the fact he’d played a handful of times for Ireland ignoring that most of these games were against teams like Azerbaijan.

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7 hours ago, Badger said:

Yet we compound the problem with a ridiculous goal kick routine with CC and Lyanco standing on sentry duty at the corners of the six yard box.

 

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Hang on, I thought we were a long ball side. 

Have you not seen the routine? Keeper passes to CB. CB doesn't know what to do and passes it back to the the keeper. Keeper hoofs it 65 yards into touch.

Might as well cut out the middle man and launch the goal kick from the off.

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