Lee Todd

[Dusic]

Ultimately just not good enough? Or constricted by ill fitting kit?

[beatlesaint]

He was dreadful. I’ve seen some poor players wearing Saints colours over the years but he ranks highly as one of the worst.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

He came in along with Paul Jones from Dave Jones's Stockport. He'd have had Beresford and Benali for competition.

[saintadjg]

I was a season ticket holder then. He was awful made Benali look like Maldini. By far the worst left back i've seen play for us.

[Bad Wolf]

Never heard of him but he looks like the lovechild of Frank Skinner and Iain Dowie.

[Paul Chuckle]

Remember this game when Lee Todd came back into the team after an absence. The defending on that first goal.... 

 

[Dusic]

Funny thinking back to those days that we would sign L1 journeymen and think they would immediately step up to PL level. I guess some like Ormerod and to a lesser extent Evans kind of did.

Would never happen now.

[SuperSAINT]

Didn’t we want Alun Armstrong & Mike Flynn from that same Stockport team, too? 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Paul Chuckle said:

Remember this game when Lee Todd came back into the team after an absence. The defending on that first goal.... 

 

and a saints goalkeeper beaten at their near post again.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Didn’t we want Alun Armstrong & Mike Flynn from that same Stockport team, too? 

Yeah, back in the days of clubcall they actually announced we'd signed Armstrong only for him to be unviled at Middlesborough the next day 

[Turkish]

14 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

He came in along with Paul Jones from Dave Jones's Stockport. He'd have had Beresford and Benali for competition.

he was so shit. Didn't we also have Simon Charlton who was also a far better left back than him. Then Paul Jones who whilst wasn't a bad keeper for us we had not long before signed Maik Taylor who was better. 

[Miltonaggro]

When I saw the header 'Lee Todd' I immediately assumed that he'd done a Shipperley.  That probably summarises my perception from memory. 

[sambosa75]

Signed the same season Duncan Spedding broke into the first team squad didn't he?  

[Bad Wolf]

Anyone want to make a team of really poor and thankfully forgotten Saints players who played less than 10 games?

Kevin Miller in goal, strike force of Peter Madsen and Nicholas Bignall. Lucean Mettomo in defence and Marcelo Seremento in midfield. Anymore?

[manina-pub]

and Darren Huckerby always scored against us 

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Anyone want to make a team of really poor and thankfully forgotten Saints players who played less than 10 games?

Kevin Miller in goal, strike force of Peter Madsen and Nicholas Bignall. Lucean Mettomo in defence and Marcelo Seremento in midfield. Anymore?

                                  Kevin Miller

LLoyd James, Scott Marshall, olly Lancashire, Lee Todd

Imats Bledilis,  Jason Euell, Jermaine Wright, Stuart Ripley

                  Mayuka Jonno Quick

                    

[Miltonaggro]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

                                  Kevin Miller

LLoyd James, Scott Marshall, olly Lancashire, Lee Todd

Imats Bledilis,  Jason Euell, Jermaine Wright, Stuart Ripley

                  Mayuka Jonno Quick

                    

Christ, there are some flashbacks there.  Kevin Miller replaced Paul Smith who replaced Antti Niemi, so it shows how far the keeper rot goes back.  I'd have David 'One Trick' Lee in there, another diminutive northern donkey. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

David Lee would have to be mentioned somewhere in the shit first eleven, along with Lee Molyneux

[Bad Wolf]

36 minutes ago, Turkish said:

                                  Kevin Miller

LLoyd James, Scott Marshall, olly Lancashire, Lee Todd

Imats Bledilis,  Jason Euell, Jermaine Wright, Stuart Ripley

                  Mayuka Jonno Quick

                    

A good amount of those played more than 10 games. But it's not a bad sh1t XI.

If I remember rightly, Euell actually did okay when he was played up front.

[cloggy saint]

1 hour ago, manina-pub said:

and Darren Huckerby always scored against us 

He scored once against us.

[Turkish]

24 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

A good amount of those played more than 10 games. But it's not a bad sh1t XI.

If I remember rightly, Euell actually did okay when he was played up front.

Difficult one, does a player prove he's shit over a period of time, ie Jermaine Wright, or do we include players that were so shit they only played once or twice? I remember Euell being bloody awful and being given an ironic standing ovation when he was finally taken off in a home game. Who else was at swindon away first season in league one, lost 0-1 and the entire away end was singing make a sub and doing that hand gesture managers do when they're making a substitution?

[Bad Wolf]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Difficult one, does a player prove he's shit over a period of time, ie Jermaine Wright, or do we include players that were so shit they only played once or twice? I remember Euell being bloody awful and being given an ironic standing ovation when he was finally taken off in a home game. Who else was at swindon away first season in league one, lost 0-1 and the entire away end was singing make a sub and doing that hand gesture managers do when they're making a substitution?

I assume they were different occasions because I'm sure Euell didn't play for us in League One? Yes, Wright was awful but he knew it. A friend of mine went up to him and though I can't remember the exact wording he said Wright used, the jist of it was that he knew damn well that he was stealing a living and was shocked he was signed permanently after initially signing on some short term deal or a loan or something.

[once_bitterne]

The whole 90s fashion statement was clothes 3 sizes too large.

I had a suit that I could take 3 steps in before it moved.

[SNSUN]

Big kit. He'd have been better in a Lee O Todd. (There's a leotard joke in there somewhere...)

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

he was so shit. Didn't we also have Simon Charlton who was also a far better left back than him. Then Paul Jones who whilst wasn't a bad keeper for us we had not long before signed Maik Taylor who was better. 

I thought Todd might have been signed to keep Jones company from the far away lands of Stockport, like a certain Cleber Chala or an Imants Bleidelis. But Jones might have just wanted a familiar face in the squad, or genuinely thought he could step up.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

I assume they were different occasions because I'm sure Euell didn't play for us in League One? Yes, Wright was awful but he knew it. A friend of mine went up to him and though I can't remember the exact wording he said Wright used, the jist of it was that he knew damn well that he was stealing a living and was shocked he was signed permanently after initially signing on some short term deal or a loan or something.

Yes two separate occasions, Euell had gone by then. This was when we had Lancashire, James and Paterson. I think it was lamberts debut actually. 

[Bad Wolf]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yes two separate occasions, Euell had gone by then. This was when we had Lancashire, James and Paterson. I think it was lamberts debut actually. 

I remember the game but I think Lambert actually signed a few days later because I think he scored in his first 3 games including a cup game.

[stknowle]

3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

David Lee would have to be mentioned somewhere in the shit first eleven, along with Lee Molyneux

I would have to find room for Neil McCann and Zoltan Liptak.

We've had so many shit players down the years it's perfectly feasible to come up with a full squad of fully deserving inclusions, probably a B team as well.

[Bad Wolf]

Jordan Robertson anyone? Taking away that one goal he scored that was quality and then utter crud for the rest of his time here. Killed someone via drink driving not long after he left us.

[Badger]

I remember Lee Todd's debut v Bolton at home. Always interesting to see new signings early in the season, and this was a start of a new era with a(nothe) new manager, Dave Jones.

First thoughts were Christ he's small must be about 5'2", came as no surprise when a fairly harmless looking punt or throw-in bounced over his head which he had to desperately chase  after. 

At least we realised he was crap immediately. David Lee gave a half decent performance on his debut but didn't reach the dizzy height of ever being half decent again with us.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

24 minutes ago, stknowle said:

I would have to find room for Neil McCann and Zoltan Liptak.

We've had so many shit players down the years it's perfectly feasible to come up with a full squad of fully deserving inclusions, probably a B team as well.

Did we sign promising youngster McCann, 40, after (or a season after) a move for Javier De Pedro fell through? I vaguely recall De Pedro getting a bad injury at some point after that, and his career fizzling out. But my memory cell might be playing up there.

[stknowle]

15 minutes ago, Badger said:

I remember Lee Todd's debut v Bolton at home. Always interesting to see new signings early in the season, and this was a start of a new era with a(nothe) new manager, Dave Jones.

First thoughts were Christ he's small must be about 5'2", came as no surprise when a fairly harmless looking punt or throw-in bounced over his head which he had to desperately chase  after. 

At least we realised he was crap immediately. David Lee gave a half decent performance on his debut but didn't reach the dizzy height of ever being half decent again with us.

I'm getting Andy Williams being key to our attacking strategy that day. Possibly Stig Johanson involved off the bench?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, stknowle said:

I'm getting Andy Williams being key to our attacking strategy that day. Possibly Stig Johanson involved off the bench?

It's only a matter of time before Cosimo Sarli breaks through, to become the next Stig Johanson. 🙂

[stknowle]

1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It's only a matter of time before Cosimo Sarli breaks through, to become the next Stig Johanson. 🙂

Still waiting for Russ Watkinson to fulfill his potential personally.

[Lighthouse]

46 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Killed someone via drink driving not long after he left us

He wasn’t drunk.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, stknowle said:

I'm getting Andy Williams being key to our attacking strategy that day. Possibly Stig Johanson involved off the bench?

Stig Johanson, another Dave Jones special 

Edited 7 June, 2022 by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Stig Johanson, another Dave Jones special 

Wasn't the blurb that he was the second or third top goalscorer after Solksjaer in Norway's league, trailing his undoubted soon to be success with the guy Manchester United's had not long got?

[Badger]

21 minutes ago, stknowle said:

I'm getting Andy Williams being key to our attacking strategy that day. Possibly Stig Johanson involved off the bench?

Forgotten all about Stig, another of our midget strikers.

Around that time we were also linked with another, though more sklilful shortarse, Jose Dominguez, a winger who'd been quite good at Birmingham. Deal didn't happen and I think he went to Spurs before having a couple of good games then fading away. 

Edited 7 June, 2022 by Badger

[The Cat]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

Difficult one, does a player prove he's shit over a period of time, ie Jermaine Wright, or do we include players that were so shit they only played once or twice? I remember Euell being bloody awful and being given an ironic standing ovation when he was finally taken off in a home game. Who else was at swindon away first season in league one, lost 0-1 and the entire away end was singing make a sub and doing that hand gesture managers do when they're making a substitution?

I was at that game. Ollie Lancashire masterclass.

Pretty sure Pardew delayed the subs because of what the crowd were doing. Was painfully obvious we were playing shit and needed to make a change but he left it really late on purpose.

 

[Bad Wolf]

2 minutes ago, The Cat said:

I was at that game. Ollie Lancashire masterclass.

Pretty sure Pardew delayed the subs because of what the crowd were doing. Was painfully obvious we were playing shit and needed to make a change but he left it really late on purpose.

 

If I didn't know which manager you were talking about and I just heard the situation, I'd be able to guess that it was Pardew.

[stknowle]

20 minutes ago, Badger said:

Forgotten all about Stig, another of our midget strikers.

Around that time we were also linked with another, though more sklilful shortarse, Jose Dominguez, a winger who'd been quite good at Birmingham. Deal didn't happen and I think he went to Spurs before having a couple of good games then fading away. 

He did go to Spurs and I'm prepared to bet a lot of money he scored against us for them in a game that ended 3-2 probably the following season. Memory fails me if we beat them or they beat us, probably the latter, we were at home (I think).

[The Cat]

16 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

If I didn't know which manager you were talking about and I just heard the situation, I'd be able to guess that it was Pardew.

Haha. I remember it being a "fuck you lot, I know better" type situation.

No idea who we had on the bench though, probably no one any good at that point anyway. I have a feeling Saganowski was still lingering around though.

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Haha. I remember it being a "fuck you lot, I know better" type situation.

No idea who we had on the bench though, probably no one any good at that point anyway. I have a feeling Saganowski was still lingering around though.

Lambert did play and rasiak was on the bench 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8205277.stm

Edited 7 June, 2022 by Turkish

[Bad Wolf]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

Haha. I remember it being a "fuck you lot, I know better" type situation.

No idea who we had on the bench though, probably no one any good at that point anyway. I have a feeling Saganowski was still lingering around though.

I don't think Saga ever played under Pardew

 

Though I completely respect what Pardew did the other day in walking away from his job in protest of racism, this is the first time in his 20 year management career that he hasn't behaved like a petulant child.

Remember when a Solent reporter asked him a question and he said "Well what do you think?!" Granted it was a silly question and though I can't remember what it was, they just need to fill up some soundbites so you just have to go through the motions when it comes to reporters if you're a player or manager.

[Lighthouse]

47 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

I don't think Saga ever played under Pardew

He started in the first game of the ML era - Millwall at home, 1-1. Remember it well. Think he played about half a dozen times under AP and left in January.

[manina-pub]

6 hours ago, cloggy saint said:

He scored once against us.

blimey wonder who I was thinking of ... 🤔

[sandwichsaint]

7 hours ago, Turkish said:

Difficult one, does a player prove he's shit over a period of time, ie Jermaine Wright, or do we include players that were so shit they only played once or twice? I remember Euell being bloody awful and being given an ironic standing ovation when he was finally taken off in a home game. Who else was at swindon away first season in league one, lost 0-1 and the entire away end was singing make a sub and doing that hand gesture managers do when they're making a substitution?

I was there, it was the game when a couple of lads had printed out the words to the SRL song and were giving them to everybody outside the ground. I always took it that Pardew's refusal to bring on any subs was a message to the board 'this is all we've got', rather than a snub to the fans. In reality that night he had  Davis, Harding, Wotton, Schneiderlin, Lambert, and Lallana starting which was the core of a pretty decent League 1 side, as NA went on to demonstrate. Great away support that evening, think the League 1 and Championship seasons were the best times I've had following Saints, especially the away games. A home  PL game at St Mary''s just  doesn't come close.

[skintsaint]

15 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Kevin Miller in goal,

Brought in as 3rd keeper when retired. Ended up pushing Smith out of the GK spot and got another year contract out of it. Don't think he was that bad when he played? Certainly had worse keepers.

[Bad Wolf]

9 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

He started in the first game of the ML era - Millwall at home, 1-1. Remember it well. Think he played about half a dozen times under AP and left in January.

I stand corrected. I remember the game but can't remember Saga playing in it. But maybe that's why he only played half a dozen times. Thought he'd left us in the summer prior.

[Bad Wolf]

2 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Brought in as 3rd keeper when retired. Ended up pushing Smith out of the GK spot and got another year contract out of it. Don't think he was that bad when he played? Certainly had worse keepers.

Yes, you're right. Did a great job in the circumstances. I think I was putting him in just because actual memories of his time at Saints seem to be very cult-like. There's a lot of Saints fans who just don't remember him at all.