Master Bates Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 https://businessmag.co.uk/companies/how-much-prize-money-each-south-east-club-won-last-season/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 The vast majority of that money is not 'prize money'. It is also already spent throughout last season (largely on wages). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 34 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: The vast majority of that money is not 'prize money'. It is also already spent throughout last season (largely on wages). Just because it’s already spent it doesn’t mean it isn’t prize money 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Turkish said: Just because it’s already spent it doesn’t mean it isn’t prize money I did not say that was the reason. The prize money based on league position is the UK and international merit columns on the table. Which as you can see below is a relatively small % of the total money Saints got this season. Saints prize money is £14.5m out of their £113.3m total. So a relatively small amount. The other circa £100m is not 'prize money', it is money for the TV games and for simply being in the Premier League. Edited 31 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 Mrs Dragan’s got her eye on a gold plated bathtub and a faux faberge cocktail shaker - that’ll make a dent in that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 Congratulations Saints on winning that prize money 👏 👏 👏 👏 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 18 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I did not say that was the reason. The prize money based on league position is the UK and international merit columns on the table. Which as you can see below is a relatively small % of the total money Saints got this season. Saints prize money is £14.5m out of their £113.3m total. So a relatively small amount. The other circa £100m is not 'prize money', it is money for the TV games and for simply being in the Premier League. Some might say the prize for being in the premier league, perhaps 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Some might say the prize for being in the premier league, perhaps Well they'd be wrong. For Saints it is... - £98.8m TV money - £14.5 prize money (merit payment) for finishing 15th 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Well they'd be wrong. For Saints it is... - £98.8m TV money - £14.5 prize money (merit payment) for finishing 15th You can tell it’s half term. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Turkish said: Some might say the prize for being in the premier league, perhaps Well quite. Funny that the play off final is always described as the £175m match rather than "the match that the winner may receive at least the £700k minimum merit money for finishing 20th the following season". Edited 31 May, 2022 by CB Fry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 Wow is Matthew Le God a pedant Maths teacher? That would make so much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 (edited) You can prove anything with... Edited 31 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 32 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: You can tell it’s half term. MLG doesn’t sleep. He waits. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 1 hour ago, CB Fry said: Congratulations Saints on winning that prize money 👏 👏 👏 👏 …for coming 15th in the merit table! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 11 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said: …for coming 15th in the merit table! We beat Everton in the battle for 15th, revenge for 1984 is ours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2022 Share Posted 31 May, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said: MLG doesn’t sleep. He waits. MLG waits, That's what he does, And I'll tell you what, Tick followed tock followed tick followed tock followed tick... Here's to waiting! 👍 Edited 31 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 The gap gets bigger a I saw what the CL clubs got this season and they got the same again as we received. The gulf is just getting bigger and bigger. Perhaps a breakaway league would be best for us all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 3 minutes ago, OldNick said: The gap gets bigger a I saw what the CL clubs got this season and they got the same again as we received. The gulf is just getting bigger and bigger. Perhaps a breakaway league would be best for us all A break away league would reduce the income for Saints and widen the gap, not the reverse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 Just now, Matthew Le God said: A break away league would reduce the income for Saints and widen the gap, not the reverse. No doubt, but it would be without the big 6 and so the rest would be competitive needing less money to do so. I grew up seeing Saints, Villa Forest , Derby , Ipswich , etc competing for the league. Yes Man u and Liverpool were strong and had a smaller advantage, but the league and games were far more even. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 8 minutes ago, OldNick said: No doubt, but it would be without the big 6 and so the rest would be competitive needing less money to do so. I grew up seeing Saints, Villa Forest , Derby , Ipswich , etc competing for the league. Yes Man u and Liverpool were strong and had a smaller advantage, but the league and games were far more even. Not only would it shrink our income massively, it would remove our financial advantage vs non UK teams when it comes to signing players from abroad. Plus it would widen the financial gap to those in the break away league making it even easier for them to raid us than it is already for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Not only would it shrink our income massively, it would remove our financial advantage vs non UK teams when it comes to signing players from abroad. Plus it would widen the financial gap to those in the break away league making it even easier for them to raid us than it is already for them. Long term we will be so far behind if things stay as they are anyway. The big 6 will be already making plans how to take more of the pot. Saints are not fit for purpose at present. As for raiding us, it is pretty obvious that they only have to speak to an agent and they are immediately unsettled and gone. We havent got anybody good enough for that case at present. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 1 minute ago, OldNick said: Long term we will be so far behind if things stay as they are anyway. The big 6 will be already making plans how to take more of the pot. Saints are not fit for purpose at present. As for raiding us, it is pretty obvious that they only have to speak to an agent and they are immediately unsettled and gone. We havent got anybody good enough for that case at present. Lets see what the new owners have planned for us, before writing us off. Ward-Prowse is good enough to start in the top 4. Don't you agree he is a better player than Hojbjerg for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 (edited) Does the facility column come from the number of live games? Is that why Brentford's is higher? Edited 1 June, 2022 by Baird of the land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 34 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Lets see what the new owners have planned for us, before writing us off. Ward-Prowse is good enough to start in the top 4. Don't you agree he is a better player than Hojbjerg for example? Are you confident that they are going to spend big? You imply that you feel that maybe in the pipeline. Myself I suggest it is going to be more of the same of plodding along, being self sustaining. This means we have to sell our main assets to spend on the team. As for JWP in the top 4 sides, Hojberg is very combative whilst JWP is magnificent at set pieces. Im not sure what JWp is, he is very tidy and covers lots of ground. He isn't really to my mind a playmaker, he definitely doesn't play defence splitting balls. To be fair to him he hasn't a lot to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 15 hours ago, CB Fry said: Congratulations Saints on winning that prize money 👏 👏 👏 👏 Open top bus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dr Who? said: Open top bus? The women's team can show off all the trophies they won. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dr Who? said: Open top bus? I think we can afford one with a top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 1 June, 2022 Share Posted 1 June, 2022 5 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: I think we can afford one with a top. I'd prefer the women's team bus to be topless. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 21 hours ago, OldNick said: The gap gets bigger a I saw what the CL clubs got this season and they got the same again as we received. The gulf is just getting bigger and bigger. Perhaps a breakaway league would be best for us all Isn't there already a breakaway league called the 'Championship' and another after that called 'League 1' where less money is needed to be competitive. Surely the answer for us is to be more competitive in the 'big pond' rather than moaning that we are such a small fish in the 'big pond' that we should create a 'smaller pond' to live in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 21 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Lets see what the new owners have planned for us, before writing us off. What do you mean? It's already been stated by the owners that there won't be a revolution. The transfer policy and budget will be pretty much the same. The only difference is the order we balance the books. Buy first, sell afterwards. Am I mistaken? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnia Cherie Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 22 hours ago, OldNick said: Long term we will be so far behind if things stay as they are anyway. The big 6 will be already making plans how to take more of the pot. Saints are not fit for purpose at present. As for raiding us, it is pretty obvious that they only have to speak to an agent and they are immediately unsettled and gone. We havent got anybody good enough for that case at present. We are not blessed with an abundance of great players but I could reasonably see JWP and KWP being on quite a few club's wish lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 1 hour ago, Chez said: What do you mean? It's already been stated by the owners that there won't be a revolution. The transfer policy and budget will be pretty much the same. The only difference is the order we balance the books. Buy first, sell afterwards. Am I mistaken? Not entirely, we don’t know yet what profile of player we go for, the wages we offer, whether we break the £20m barrier etc etc I’m sure we’ll balance the books but could be operating with slightly bigger numbers that is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 1 hour ago, nta786 said: Not entirely, we don’t know yet what profile of player we go for, the wages we offer, whether we break the £20m barrier etc etc I’m sure we’ll balance the books but could be operating with slightly bigger numbers that is all. To balance the books if you are spending more, you need to bring more money in. The prize money is pretty much the same, the match day income is the same, the sponsorship the same...so I am struggling to understand how we will `operate with bigger numbers'? We now have a debt to pay down, so our available cash is actually lower. I guess the price of players is going up, so when we sell our talent, we'll bring more in so able to spend more, but as the price of players have gone up, nothing has really changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chez said: To balance the books if you are spending more, you need to bring more money in. The prize money is pretty much the same, the match day income is the same, the sponsorship the same...so I am struggling to understand how we will `operate with bigger numbers'? We now have a debt to pay down, so our available cash is actually lower. I guess the price of players is going up, so when we sell our talent, we'll bring more in so able to spend more, but as the price of players have gone up, nothing has really changed. Owners investing money into the club. A novelty for Saints after Gao was prevented from doing so by his government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chez said: To balance the books if you are spending more, you need to bring more money in. The prize money is pretty much the same, the match day income is the same, the sponsorship the same...so I am struggling to understand how we will `operate with bigger numbers'? We now have a debt to pay down, so our available cash is actually lower. I guess the price of players is going up, so when we sell our talent, we'll bring more in so able to spend more, but as the price of players have gone up, nothing has really changed. Buy a player for £5m, develop said player and sell for £30m and you can 'operate with bigger numbers'. It's not just about income and prize money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said: Buy a player for £5m, develop said player and sell for £30m and you can 'operate with bigger numbers'. It's not just about income and prize money. so, the same transfer philosophy we have pretty much always had. Buy players for amounts less than we buy them to balance the books. I don't have a problem with this by the way, I just don't see any real change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Owners investing money into the club. A novelty for Saints after Gao was prevented from doing so by his government. Clarify what you mean by investing? Do you mean allowing the business to build up debt, give the business a loan or give it a gift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chez said: Clarify what you mean by investing? Do you mean allowing the business to build up debt, give the business a loan or give it a gift? FFP allows clubs to make a loss, which is made up by wealthy owners, of £105m over three years. Gao didn't really do this, we don't yet know if Sport Republic can or will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurj Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 On 01/06/2022 at 03:45, Matthew Le God said: You can prove anything with... Like you did here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 14 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: FFP allows clubs to make a loss, which is made up by wealthy owners, of £105m over three years. Gao didn't really do this, we don't yet know if Sport Republic can or will. For me, "there won't be a revolution" suggest "we will continue to be self-sustaining", so I don't really see the club running at huge losses (by that, I mean even bigger losses than that have been experienced in recent years due to COVID etc.) with the owners loaning (or gifting) the business money to cover them. We shall see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 On 31/05/2022 at 23:52, Doctoroncall said: …for coming 15th in the merit table! finishing 15th is better than being 20th. At least we are still in the mix for next season. Historically (before 2005 relegation) Saints stayed in the top tier ( Div.1 - then Prem. ) for 27 seasons and rarely finished in the top half. We struggled desperately on occasions, ( in part from losing our best players to "bigger money " clubs ) and frequently stayed up purely on the efforts of one or two players. (Can't imagine what would have happened to us in the 1990's had MLT decided to move to one of the London clubs). However, you berate it ...£100 million isn't to be sniffed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 4 minutes ago, david in sweden said: Historically (before 2005 relegation) Saints stayed in the top tier ( Div.1 - then Prem. ) for 27 seasons and rarely finished in the top half. 12 out of 27 isn't particularly rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 2 June, 2022 Share Posted 2 June, 2022 6 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: 12 out of 27 isn't particularly rare. More or less the same since we’ve come back up 4 top half finishes in 10 seasons then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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