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Saints finish season with £110m+ 'prize money'


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34 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

The vast majority of that money is not 'prize money'. It is also already spent throughout last season (largely on wages).

Just because it’s already spent it doesn’t mean it isn’t prize money 

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12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just because it’s already spent it doesn’t mean it isn’t prize money 

I did not say that was the reason.

The prize money based on league position is the UK and international merit columns on the table. Which as you can see below is a relatively small % of the total money Saints got this season.

Saints prize money is £14.5m out of their £113.3m total. So a relatively small amount. The other circa £100m is not 'prize money', it is money for the TV games and for simply being in the Premier League.

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18 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I did not say that was the reason.

The prize money based on league position is the UK and international merit columns on the table. Which as you can see below is a relatively small % of the total money Saints got this season.

Saints prize money is £14.5m out of their £113.3m total. So a relatively small amount. The other circa £100m is not 'prize money', it is money for the TV games and for simply being in the Premier League.

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Some might say the prize for being in the premier league, perhaps 

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12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Some might say the prize for being in the premier league, perhaps 

Well quite.

Funny that the play off final is always described as the £175m match rather than "the match that the winner may receive at least the £700k minimum merit money for finishing 20th the following season".

 

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3 minutes ago, OldNick said:

The gap gets bigger a I saw what the CL clubs got this season and they got the same again as we received. The gulf is just getting bigger and bigger. Perhaps a breakaway league would be best for us all

A break away league would reduce the income for Saints and widen the gap, not the reverse. 

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Just now, Matthew Le God said:

A break away league would reduce the income for Saints and widen the gap, not the reverse. 

No doubt, but it would be without the big 6 and so the rest would be competitive needing less money to do so. I grew up seeing Saints, Villa Forest , Derby , Ipswich , etc competing for the league. Yes Man u and Liverpool were strong and had a smaller advantage, but the league and games were far more even.

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8 minutes ago, OldNick said:

No doubt, but it would be without the big 6 and so the rest would be competitive needing less money to do so. I grew up seeing Saints, Villa Forest , Derby , Ipswich , etc competing for the league. Yes Man u and Liverpool were strong and had a smaller advantage, but the league and games were far more even.

Not only would it shrink our income massively, it would remove our financial advantage vs non UK teams when it comes to signing players from abroad. Plus it would widen the financial gap to those in the break away league making it even easier for them to raid us than it is already for them.

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6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not only would it shrink our income massively, it would remove our financial advantage vs non UK teams when it comes to signing players from abroad. Plus it would widen the financial gap to those in the break away league making it even easier for them to raid us than it is already for them.

Long term we will be so far behind if things stay as they are anyway. The big 6 will be already making plans how to take more of the pot. Saints are not fit for purpose at present. As for raiding us, it is pretty obvious that they only have to speak to an agent and they are immediately unsettled and gone. We havent got anybody good enough for that case at present.

 

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1 minute ago, OldNick said:

Long term we will be so far behind if things stay as they are anyway. The big 6 will be already making plans how to take more of the pot. Saints are not fit for purpose at present. As for raiding us, it is pretty obvious that they only have to speak to an agent and they are immediately unsettled and gone. We havent got anybody good enough for that case at present.

Lets see what the new owners have planned for us, before writing us off.

Ward-Prowse is good enough to start in the top 4. Don't you agree he is a better player than Hojbjerg for example?

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34 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Lets see what the new owners have planned for us, before writing us off.

Ward-Prowse is good enough to start in the top 4. Don't you agree he is a better player than Hojbjerg for example?

Are you confident that they are going to spend big? You imply that you feel that maybe in the pipeline.

Myself I suggest it is going to be more of the same of plodding along, being  self sustaining. This means we have to sell our main assets to spend on the team.

As for JWP in the top 4 sides, Hojberg is very combative whilst JWP is magnificent at set pieces. Im not sure what JWp is, he is very tidy and covers lots of ground. He isn't really to my mind a playmaker, he definitely doesn't play defence splitting balls. To be fair to him he hasn't a lot to play with. 

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21 hours ago, OldNick said:

The gap gets bigger a I saw what the CL clubs got this season and they got the same again as we received. The gulf is just getting bigger and bigger. Perhaps a breakaway league would be best for us all

Isn't there already a breakaway league called the 'Championship' and another after that called 'League 1' where less money is needed to be competitive.

Surely the answer for us is to be more competitive in the 'big pond' rather than moaning that we are such a small fish in the 'big pond' that we should create a 'smaller pond' to live in?

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21 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Lets see what the new owners have planned for us, before writing us off.

What do you mean? It's already been stated by the owners that there won't be a revolution. The transfer policy and budget will be pretty much the same. The only difference is the order we balance the books. Buy first, sell afterwards. Am I mistaken?

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22 hours ago, OldNick said:

Long term we will be so far behind if things stay as they are anyway. The big 6 will be already making plans how to take more of the pot. Saints are not fit for purpose at present. As for raiding us, it is pretty obvious that they only have to speak to an agent and they are immediately unsettled and gone. We havent got anybody good enough for that case at present.

 

We are not blessed with an abundance of great players but I could reasonably see JWP and KWP being on quite a few club's wish lists. 

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1 hour ago, Chez said:

What do you mean? It's already been stated by the owners that there won't be a revolution. The transfer policy and budget will be pretty much the same. The only difference is the order we balance the books. Buy first, sell afterwards. Am I mistaken?

Not entirely, we don’t know yet what profile of player we go for, the wages we offer, whether we break the £20m barrier etc etc

I’m sure we’ll balance the books but could be operating with slightly bigger numbers that is all. 
 

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1 hour ago, nta786 said:

Not entirely, we don’t know yet what profile of player we go for, the wages we offer, whether we break the £20m barrier etc etc

I’m sure we’ll balance the books but could be operating with slightly bigger numbers that is all. 
 

To balance the books if you are spending more, you need to bring more money in. The prize money is pretty much the same, the match day income is the same, the sponsorship the same...so I am struggling to understand how we will `operate with bigger numbers'?  We now have a debt to pay down, so our available cash is actually lower. I guess the price of players is going up, so when we sell our talent, we'll bring more in so able to spend more, but as the price of players have gone up, nothing has really changed.

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3 minutes ago, Chez said:

To balance the books if you are spending more, you need to bring more money in. The prize money is pretty much the same, the match day income is the same, the sponsorship the same...so I am struggling to understand how we will `operate with bigger numbers'?  We now have a debt to pay down, so our available cash is actually lower. I guess the price of players is going up, so when we sell our talent, we'll bring more in so able to spend more, but as the price of players have gone up, nothing has really changed.

Owners investing money into the club. A novelty for Saints after Gao was prevented from doing so by his government. 

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5 minutes ago, Chez said:

To balance the books if you are spending more, you need to bring more money in. The prize money is pretty much the same, the match day income is the same, the sponsorship the same...so I am struggling to understand how we will `operate with bigger numbers'?  We now have a debt to pay down, so our available cash is actually lower. I guess the price of players is going up, so when we sell our talent, we'll bring more in so able to spend more, but as the price of players have gone up, nothing has really changed.

Buy a player for £5m, develop said player and sell for £30m and you can 'operate with bigger numbers'.  It's not just about income and prize money.

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1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Buy a player for £5m, develop said player and sell for £30m and you can 'operate with bigger numbers'.  It's not just about income and prize money.

so, the same transfer philosophy we have pretty much always had. Buy players for amounts less than we buy them to balance the books. I don't have a problem with this by the way, I just don't see any real change.

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7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Owners investing money into the club. A novelty for Saints after Gao was prevented from doing so by his government. 

Clarify what you mean by investing? Do you mean allowing the business to build up debt, give the business a loan or give it a gift?

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5 minutes ago, Chez said:

Clarify what you mean by investing? Do you mean allowing the business to build up debt, give the business a loan or give it a gift?

FFP allows clubs to make a loss, which is made up by wealthy owners, of £105m over three years. Gao didn't really do this, we don't yet know if Sport Republic can or will.

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14 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

FFP allows clubs to make a loss, which is made up by wealthy owners, of £105m over three years. Gao didn't really do this, we don't yet know if Sport Republic can or will.

For me, "there won't be a revolution" suggest "we will continue to be self-sustaining", so I don't really see the club running at huge losses (by that, I mean even bigger losses than that have been experienced in recent years due to COVID etc.) with the owners loaning (or gifting) the business money to cover them. We shall see...

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On 31/05/2022 at 23:52, Doctoroncall said:

…for coming 15th in the merit table!

finishing 15th is better than being 20th.  At least we are still in the mix for next season. 

Historically (before 2005 relegation)  Saints stayed in the top tier ( Div.1 - then Prem. ) for 27 seasons and rarely finished in the top half.

We struggled desperately on occasions, ( in part from losing our best players to "bigger money " clubs ) and frequently stayed up 

purely on the efforts of one or two players. 

(Can't imagine what would have happened to us in the 1990's had MLT decided to move to one of the London clubs).

However, you berate it ...£100 million isn't to be sniffed at. 

 

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