SP Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 When Crouch returns he will not want lowe and wilde there! and def not Wotte!! Hi pheonix. Good to see you posting again. I find what you say very re-assuring. Do you know if Leon has any plans for a new manager when he returns? You should post on The Ugly Inside as well and spread the word! (http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.forums.php) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 As of 10.30 this morning, There is NO TRUTH in this what so ever. Please do not carried away with hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Dashed bad news. Exit2 is normally a good source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 As of 10.30 this morning, There is NO TRUTH in this what so ever. Please do not carried away with hope. Hope is the only thing which keeps me going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 As of 10.30 this morning, There is NO TRUTH in this what so ever. Please do not carried away with hope. I have refrained from posting until I knew more. Nothing has changed. Crouch is not coming back. There is no deal on the table. I am unaware there were any "investors" at the stadium on Friday. Take it or leave it! I have no more to say other than what a sorry state of affairs we continue to find ourselves. Sorry but I'm having difficulty understanding how you can both be so certain of this unless you have had direct contact with Crouch himself which seems a little unlikely, especially on a Sunday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Please god no!.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Sorry but I'm having difficulty understanding how you can both be so certain of this unless you have had direct contact with Crouch himself which seems a little unlikely, especially on a Sunday morning. Maybe they did or knew sombody who has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Please god no!.......... What are your reasons for not wanting Crouch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 I am sorry but it is people like you that are continually stoking up the argument which is causing offence to other posters why dont you give it rest and if there is harmony on this forum perhaps there could be harmony with the shareholders. , How about you answer the perfectly reasonable points Um made in that post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 "Before investing Crouch made sure his operatives carried out a thorough due diligence on Van Der Waals earlobes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 I have no idea whether something is about to happen at SMS re investors or LC coming back. But I am certain (based on not being ITK) that Wotte is only temporary. I dont care what the OS says. We need to be seen to have a manager (head coach), the players need to know that Wotte has authority and given that Wotte already has a permamnet contract with us, its just a job title change. I am certain in Lowe/ Wilde's thinking that saying Wotte permamnet in his new role is just words whilst we wait for LC / an investor / SFC to go into admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 I will only believe Crouch is coming back if Duncan comes on here and says it will happen, until then it is a no no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 As much as i want this to be true i'm pretty sure it isn't. Crouch dislikes Lowe but he hates what Wilde did. I cannot see at all him coming back and working with the two of them. He will be the first to tell you that he is not capable of being a modern day football chairman so that would lead me to believe he is not seeking that spot. The only thing which i can see happening is either Lowe or Wilde selling up before they lose their shares for nothing if we go down. The question becomes then who? Wilde would be the obvious one. His company is in dire straights and he knows his reputation has been tarnished with the community. He is yet to see the anger of the fans directed his way, once he does he will leave. He always felt he was loved by the fans and seen as a saviour, for him to see he is hated as much as Lowe will in my view make him leave, he is a coward and this has been shown many times. So Wilde needs the money the question is then how bad? But we will see for sure tommorow if Wotte is confirmed as manager in the longterm. Because if he is then it is all untrue. Crouch has been one of the most vocal at the dutch direction, he would not see placing the understudy to the previous manager in charge as something to feel confident about. Just as everyone else does. He would want british people in charge for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 I will only believe Crouch is coming back if Duncan comes on here and says it will happen, until then it is a no no. Duncan has said the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 You're clearly delusional:smt104 Come on guys, let's all have a love in and then all our problems will be solved. Behave yourself. I obviously understand where you are coming from and your desire to rid the club of Wilde and Lowe which long term is probably the best thing to happen . But continually making the usual remarks is not in my opinion assisting the situation . Surely the only way is to get all the shareholders to work together and somehow to resolve the situation. I cannot see why Wilde and Lowe will walk away when they have sizeable financial interests . If there is money available from Crouch and his group I would prefer that to be used to resolve the financial situation in the club and not be used to buy out Lowe and Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Surely the only way is to get all the shareholders to work together and somehow to resolve the situation. How long has everyone on the forum been saying that? The point is that it hasn't happened. I cannot see why Wilde and Lowe will walk away when they have sizeable financial interests. Perhaps "had" would be a more appropriate word than "have". If there is money available from Crouch and his group I would prefer that to be used to resolve the financial situation in the club and not be used to buy out Lowe and Wilde. Others would need to match Leon's contribution, relatively speaking, or he'd have to be nuts to make it. It would be like giving his money to Lowe and Wild, and I suspect he'd rather have daily enemas for the rest of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 How long has everyone on the forum been saying that? The point is that it hasn't happened. Perhaps "had" would be a more appropriate word than "have". Others would need to match Leon's contribution, relatively speaking, or he'd have to be nuts to make it. It would be like giving his money to Lowe and Wild, and I suspect he'd rather have daily enemas for the rest of his life. Yes I agree but it is not happening it all seems to be get Lowe out which appears unrealistic Even at 20p a share they have sizeable investments obviously not as much as last year. Your other point is obviously the most important and would need the major shareholders to act sensibly for the good of the club . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Originally Posted by John B Surely the only way is to get all the shareholders to work together and somehow to resolve the situation. How long has everyone on the forum been saying that? The point is that it hasn't happened. And that is the reason we are in our current mess. It would be even more poetic if Crouch came in now with money, he could have done that at the beginning and actually influenced matters. Go back to all the mess we have created and you can see at every turn it would have been far better for the club to have worked together. It will not happen and we will be left with the pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 When Crouch returns he will not want lowe and wilde there! and def not Wotte!!Come on spill the beans;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Saints will walk this league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 That is exactly what I have heard from a friend who is connected is with SFC. The game was originally planned to be played at Staplewood but got switched to SMS for this "potential investor" to see the ground, squad etc Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 (edited) Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind! George Soros? Hmmm - he'll do! (Just guessing - and hoping! - $9 billion) Unlikely as his "man" seems to think not just SFC but the UK is going down the pan. Edited 25 January, 2009 by Trader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind! No slur on you Duncan but I'll believe it when I see it. Having said that, I am very curious as to WHY the game was played Friday at St Mary's (maybe a psychological thing for the players or is there more to this as many have inferred?) Also, I am even more curious as to why the game was NOT reported on the OS (especially since we won and the OS regularly peddle out the most inane PR in a futile & patronizing attempt to drum up some good feeling about their pathtically run club!) I'm left pondering.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind!New one on me, I have not heard anything so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind! Considering the lessons that were learnt last time, that limits your source who txt'd you to a very small number of people who are either likely to be covered by NDA's or people who are guessing. Careful you may get burned or burn what could be happening IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 (edited) Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind!...... Edited 25 January, 2009 by Delmary doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 where does hoddle fit into this..? ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 No but Sunday is the start of the working week rather than Monday. Phil says so. You mean Dubai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Maybe those who have invested in Hoddles scheme think that it might be a good idea to have a club to place their players in,even if just to put them in the shop window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 You mean Dubai? Is there more than one Phil?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind! Granvilles long lost father Duncan (Open all Hours). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Is there more than one Phil?? yep Dubai phil and new guy Kuwait Phil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 yep Dubai phil and new guy Kuwait Phil! there is also Iraqi phil too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 there is also Iraqi phil too all phil's welcome imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 all phil's welcome imo even phil McGroin..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 there is also Iraqi phil too Isn't that the new user name of Baghdad Bob though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind! Dr Wilem Frischmann and family div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited {color:#06c;}RESULTS FOR 2008 Ranking: 1794= Worth: £40m Source of wealth: Engineering The Hungarian-born Frischmann, 77, trained as a structural engineer. He later founded his own engineering consultancy, Pell Frischmann, and has worked on such prestigious London projects as Centre Point, the NatWest Tower and Canary Wharf. We value Pell Frischmann Holdings at £60m. The Frischmann family has 60%, plus past dividends and other wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Confirmed sources tell me that 'SB' will be attending Saint Marys this Saturday, and will be located at turnstile A'/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Hope is the only thing which keeps me going. John B, Your post reminds me of a great quote from John Cleese in the film Clockwise circa 1986. "Despair, I can cope with the despair. It's the contant hope that kills you" FWIW, things must now be coming to a head. We cannot carry on with Lowe and Wilde, thank goodness Leon still appears interested. Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supaimpy_returns Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 so with all these talks, of investors surely given the clubs previous record the LSE should be told we are in talks? can't see LC putting any money in personally, and unless someone is planning o get total control why would they put money in if the current Chairman is leaking to the press (CS Daily Mail)that admin is close? love it to be true, but of more concern is actually getting the shots on target in the net and gaining the points to finish 4th bottom in the CCC and then having derbies next year with the skates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Dr Wilem Frischmann and family div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited {color:#06c;}RESULTS FOR 2008 Ranking: 1794= Worth: £40m Source of wealth: Engineering The Hungarian-born Frischmann, 77, trained as a structural engineer. He later founded his own engineering consultancy, Pell Frischmann, and has worked on such prestigious London projects as Centre Point, the NatWest Tower and Canary Wharf. We value Pell Frischmann Holdings at £60m. The Frischmann family has 60%, plus past dividends and other wealth. Hawk Developments joint shareholders Trevor Osborne and Wilem Frischmann are continuing to battle over their entitlement to a stake in projects including the MAFF in Cambridge, England, and the MOD Main Building in London, England. Osborne believes that Frischmann does not have the right to a stake in projects that were originated and secured by Hawk because Hawk is a consultancy that has never developed or purchased a building. However, he accepts that Frischmann should have an equal stake in a PFI scheme in Southampton, England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 (edited) Wilem Frischmann's son Richard now heads up Pell Frischmann,i believe. Edited 25 January, 2009 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 (edited) Osbourne and Frischmann lock horns quite frequently....... Godfrey Bradman, with Lord Young and Richard Frischmann of Pell Frischmann have won the battle for a £351m pfi project. The group beat the Trevor Osborne/AMEC consortium this week on the scheme to provide 43,500m2 (468,245 sq ft) of new medical teaching space in central London in exchange for four prime Kensington and Chelsea residential development sites. Edited 25 January, 2009 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 On a different note, interesting to see Euell was not involved in the game, nor Kelvin Davis. Can much be read into this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 John B, Your post reminds me of a great quote from John Cleese in the film Clockwise circa 1986. "Despair, I can cope with the despair. It's the contant hope that kills you" FWIW, things must now be coming to a head. We cannot carry on with Lowe and Wilde, thank goodness Leon still appears interested. Regards Morph Yes, thank goodness. Where would we be without him .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Yes, thank goodness. Where would we be without him .............. Probably a lot better off than we are than with your idol...name me all the things he has done that have worked since his return? Manager Coach ST Crowd Revenue Local Business Improvement in finanaces Squad improvements Investment Yet Crouch brought in a manager that united the majority of the club and its supporters. Additional revenue in hospitality. Wright, Lucketti, Perry certainly improved our defence. Cut wage bill with Skacel/Rasiak out on loan. Ok he ****ed up the Dodd/Gorman but compared to old rosey cheeks 10 managers he didnt do bad to get it right whereas Lowe stumbles on blindly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 there is also Iraqi phil too Oi that is supposed to be a secret - I got a lovely pad up there just at the right time - overlooking the river, Penthouse, full services and superb ventilation system from all the RPG holes. good price too Anyone want free holiday let me know. I already tried to set up a 3 amigos reconcilliation meeting there but for some reason they were not too keen. Obviously still not ready to live together, can't see why they wouldn't want to go out clubbing locally together. Meanwhile thinking of Qatar, looked nice watching it on golf today. What was with that wonky building though? Anyway Tuesday tomorrow, the second day of the working week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Ok he ****ed up the Dodd/Gorman but compared to old rosey cheeks 10 managers he didnt do bad to get it right whereas Lowe stumbles on blindly. And he replaced BOTH Dodd and Gorman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 Just had an interesting text (no, not from LC) that indeed talks have been held last week with a potential Hungarian investor. Know no more than that but believe my source 100%. Hope is worse than despair mind! My inital reaction is - are there any rich Hungarians? Second is why oh why is it an INVESTOR. Surely we need a takeover and new leadership?! Still... if it helps I'll take anything right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 January, 2009 Share Posted 25 January, 2009 I really hope this is true. Crouch is the sort of person we need in charge of the club, for all his failings as a chairman he at least caired about the club unlike Wilde and Lowe. Given the 3 choices yes. He'd have desire and a genuine willingness to take risks and support the team first. But, we'd need to emply a CEO to run the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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