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I'm lucky enough to be in the north west at the moment and have watched the local news here a few times over the past few days. They have been doing lots of interviews with Liverpool fans here and in Paris. The recurring catchphrase that seems to be spouted a lot (and I've heard it throughout the last season or two) is that "this means more" for Liverpool fans.

Anyone know how that's measured and able to quantify approximately how much less it means to Saints?

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I suppose for Liverpool they've built a team so good with some players knocking on a bit in age that they may never see their team so complete again. Especially with rumours like Mané possibly leaving. Horrible though it sounds, this is their era and it could all end before you know. (See Man Utd...) So they need to capitalise on these finals when they get the chance. Real have previous and will always be a huge team and they've won 13. Liverpool have 6.

 

For us an FA Cup win would mean everything to us as that is probably as good a trophy as we could expect to achieve (bar a minor European trophy if we finished high enough in the table) and we've only had one. It also depends who we're playing. If it's Arsenal or United then it would definitely mean more to us to win the FA Cup than it would to them.

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Fair to say the Champions League means diddly squat to me (although hope Real win tomorrow).

For us I'd say the FA Cup is a bit of a holy grail, even the League Cup as a second option. 

At least for now we can delight in the fact that Klippity has not experienced the joy and glory of the JPT (although don't be surprised if their U21's or U18's win it in the future).

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I hope it's something I never hear us saying. A chest thumping, conceited gesture that fans of one club are special, or the most passionate, or deserving, or as connected to their communities, or have had more highs and lows, or somehow have deeper feelings for the game. Things that could be said for any number of clubs. So, as a phrase, it couldn't mean less to me.

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It doesn't mean a lot to me, but I've always supported UK teams in the Champions League ('European Cup', as it was) when they are up against competition from the Continent--going all the way back to Celtic in 1967 and Manchester United in 1968, when I was a teenager.

Liverpool play attractive, positive football. I hope they win.

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4 hours ago, Hamilton Saint said:

It doesn't mean a lot to me, but I've always supported UK teams in the Champions League ('European Cup', as it was) when they are up against competition from the Continent--going all the way back to Celtic in 1967 and Manchester United in 1968, when I was a teenager.

Liverpool play attractive, positive football. I hope they win.

So do I and then Mane will go to Borussia Dortmund and we shall get a good sell on fee?

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13 hours ago, jawillwill said:

I'm lucky enough to be in the north west at the moment and have watched the local news here a few times over the past few days. They have been doing lots of interviews with Liverpool fans here and in Paris. The recurring catchphrase that seems to be spouted a lot (and I've heard it throughout the last season or two) is that "this means more" for Liverpool fans.

Anyone know how that's measured and able to quantify approximately how much less it means to Saints?

Of course it means more to them. Liverpool is a special city with special people with a great sense of humour. They’ve had to overcome all sorts of adversity which you’ve probably never heard about unless you were from Liverpool. They taken part in some wonderful historic European finals, that night in Istanbul, Roma in Rome. It hasn’t all been great though nasty horrible Ramos hurt lovely Mo Salah and cost them the final in 2017. I’m sure something happened in 1985 too but you’re never allowed to mention that as that was all the fault of the stadium, the Belgian police and the national front who got tickets, nothing to do with those loveable, cheeky, scousers. Special people you know, not English they are scouse. 

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Growing up in the sixties I wanted every English team to do well in Europe, loved Chelsea winning the Cup Winners Cup. But now the success of the "big" teams in Europe just gives them more money that puts a distance between us and diminishes our chances of any success however small. And as for the BBC this morning telling us that Klopp is a "man of principle" - I presume illegal tapping up of players does not come under principles.

I desperately want Real Madrid to win.

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8 hours ago, Hamilton Saint said:

It doesn't mean a lot to me, but I've always supported UK teams in the Champions League ('European Cup', as it was) when they are up against competition from the Continent--going all the way back to Celtic in 1967 and Manchester United in 1968, when I was a teenager.

2 hours ago, Kenilworthy said:

Growing up in the sixties I wanted every English team to do well in Europe, loved Chelsea winning the Cup Winners Cup.

Interesting views, I wonder how much of it was due to post-war attitudes and wanting your fellow Englishmen and English teams to beat some of our adversaries across Europe.

I agree now with comment above - Liverpool winning only widens the financial gap which does us less favours and in our globalised world players, owners and managers alike are now all internationals. 

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It clearly means a great deal to Liverpool fans, who are simply the bestest, so hopefully lots of footage of them grizzling and pissing their pants when Real Madrid convincingly beat them. I’ll be lighting a candle in solidarity. 

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23 hours ago, jawillwill said:

I'm lucky enough to be in the north west at the moment and have watched the local news here a few times over the past few days. They have been doing lots of interviews with Liverpool fans here and in Paris. The recurring catchphrase that seems to be spouted a lot (and I've heard it throughout the last season or two) is that "this means more" for Liverpool fans.

Anyone know how that's measured and able to quantify approximately how much less it means to Saints?

I live in the North West and I couldn't give a toss about the 'victims', nor does my wife ( Man City), my daughter( Bolton ), my S-i-L ( Everton, so understandable ), my eldest son ( Blackpool ), my D-i-L ( Man Utd ), or my younger son ( Villa - don't ask ).

The media need to understand how many football fans couldn't care less about Klippety and his team.

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Whenever there has been any incidents outside stadiums before they’ve always lambasted the disgusting behaviour of the fans, last night they were at pains to tell us all how families had been tear gassed and they hope everyone is okay despite loads of videos doing the rounds on Twitter of them climbing fences and steaming the gates. Why is there this weird love in with them where they seem to always be absolved of any sort of blame for anything?

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16 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Whenever there has been any incidents outside stadiums before they’ve always lambasted the disgusting behaviour of the fans, last night they were at pains to tell us all how families had been tear gassed and they hope everyone is okay despite loads of videos doing the rounds on Twitter of them climbing fences and steaming the gates. Why is there this weird love in with them where they seem to always be absolved of any sort of blame for anything?

Why do the media whitewash incidents involving them?  The BBC right now saying it was local / Spanish fans trying to get in over the fence at the Liverpool end!

 

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1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Why do the media whitewash incidents involving them?  The BBC right now saying it was local / Spanish fans trying to get in over the fence at the Liverpool end!

 

Just like it was chelsea fans and the national front at Heysel 

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Really hope uefa punish the ticket makers & anfield ticket office for selling so many fake tickets to the honest Liverpool fans as not a single ticket came from touts

 

Also hold to account the man who incited the disorder by telling fans to travel without tickets

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43 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Why do the media whitewash incidents involving them?  The BBC right now saying it was local / Spanish fans trying to get in over the fence at the Liverpool end!

 

No doubt they interviewed some witness, curly perm, big moustache, and a Jimmy Tarbuck Joke Book sticking out of his pocket:

“ ehhh, me names Manuel.. and I’m from Barcelona like … and what it was like is we were stood over there doing nuttin like … “

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