Mr X Posted 19 May, 2022 Share Posted 19 May, 2022 Just needs more time & not given enough chances? Or not suited to the premier league? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 think he needs our team to be able to create chances before we can judge 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 Unfortunately when you are playing for a crap side........., but, he has missed alot of good opportunities that could have made a difference for both the team and him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 34 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: think he needs our team to be able to create chances before we can judge This is true. Interested to see how this plays out. We know there’s going to be a mini striker exodus this summer. I wonder how bad the rumoured fallout has been with Ralph? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 Is his contract long enough for our championship return, he’d be alright the. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 The problem with Armstrong is he struggles to create shooting space for himself. Constantly hits the first defender and he needs to learn to side step with acceleration, Good strikers have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 Any striker will struggle to score in this team right now. So defensive its unreal. He started well at Everton and 1st quarter of season didn't look out of place. I imagine we weren't expecting to get Broja and that impacted on Armstrongs game time. Then the fallout with Ralph happened and that was that. Personally I think he can do it at this level and we can't afford to cut our losses anyway. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 Don’t think he has it. Doesn’t have the movement and anticipation to operate at Prem level, plus he’s not got the physical attributes to mix it up with big CB’s which at least Che has. I’d say he’s worse than Long when Long was on his game. We need someone better than Che to ensure survival next season IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 I still he's got potential to be good at this level. His actual finishing has been pretty good. Guess the question is whether he wants to hang around for a 2nd season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 20 May, 2022 33 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: I still he's got potential to be good at this level. His actual finishing has been pretty good. Guess the question is whether he wants to hang around for a 2nd season. How has his finishing been pretty good? Two goals since he's been here both at the start of season & missed plenty of sitters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mr X said: How has his finishing been pretty good? Two goals since he's been here both at the start of season & missed plenty of sitters ......well he's not alone in at area - is he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mr X said: How has his finishing been pretty good? Two goals since he's been here both at the start of season & missed plenty of sitters Both his goals were quality finishes, his offside one against Brentford was a proper finish too. Don't remember any sitters he's missed unlike say adams(who is the opposite offers a lot else but his finishing is rather poor). There's been half chances he could have done better with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Both his goals were quality finishes, his offside one against Brentford was a proper finish too. Don't remember any sitters he's missed unlike say adams(who is the opposite offers a lot else but his finishing is rather poor). There's been half chances he could have done better with. He has missed a couple of easy chances. Man united at home springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 2 hours ago, SuperSAINT said: We know there’s going to be a mini striker exodus this summer. I wonder how bad the rumoured fallout has been with Ralph? I read here that Ralph criticised AAs lack of height at defending corners as an issue, so it could well be a mini striker exodus. 🙂 From what I've seen he can have an instinctive shot, and wasn't shy of taking it. But I've not seen enough to tell if he can create chances for himself at this level. If not, we'd have to create the opportunities he's more capable of scoring. Then it becomes a tactical issue, that you'd have hoped our recruitment team would have noted before we signed him. I'll need to look at how he scored for his last club. Perhaps it's not the best fit. But perhaps, we can do better as a team to get the most from him. Which would apply to all our strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 He just seems a little bit too weak for me, lacks physicality. The Watford away game stands out for me, he was very busy and 'alive' but he missed at least two absolute sitters which almost cost us. Seems to need lots of chances to score a goal, same as Adams sadly. (although Adams physicality helps him) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 (edited) AA I think can be a decent top level forward, but in and out the team doesn't help anyone. Also the way we play/set up, I reckon Lewandowski up front would struggle to get more than 10 league goals from open play. We just don't create enough clear goal scoring chances due to our laboured same old same old approach. Edited 20 May, 2022 by skintsaint 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 Broja has scored 1 in his last 15, I don't think the team particularly has helped. The no.10s don't create enough, our most creative player is our cente-mid because he takes set pieces, something Armstrong doesn't benefit from. He's only had 16 games, which have been very stop starty, and had more chances recently when the team as a whole has been awful. I'd personally not write him off yet. But we need another striker anyway because we are losing Broja, losing Long and Che has the same issue, he goes through periods of just not scoring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 He seems to be a poacher, which means that when he's not scoring he's not contributing much to the overall team. We've seen with Adams that when he wasn't scoring he was effective in different parts of the game - holding the ball up, physicality in the press (two of AA's goals have come as a result of this), running the channels. Almost playing as a 2nd striker. Ings - not much needs to be said. Was technically very gifted. Broja - As frustrating as he is, you can see he has other gifts to play off. That combination of physical presence and pace is rare. With AA it's tough as the main, and maybe only real attribute he brings is goalscoring. And when that seemingly isn't working out at this level so far, it's worrying. But hopefully he'll adapt. Premier League is a massive step up, and as mentioned he hasn't been playing in a great side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I read here that Ralph criticised AAs lack of height at defending corners as an issue, so it could well be a mini striker exodus. 🙂 From what I've seen he can have an instinctive shot, and wasn't shy of taking it. But I've not seen enough to tell if he can create chances for himself at this level. If not, we'd have to create the opportunities he's more capable of scoring. Then it becomes a tactical issue, that you'd have hoped our recruitment team would have noted before we signed him. I'll need to look at how he scored for his last club. Perhaps it's not the best fit. But perhaps, we can do better as a team to get the most from him. Which would apply to all our strikers. ridiclous if true, unless he's shrunk since we signed him Edited 20 May, 2022 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 combinations are a key factor, looks to me as soon as a good combination is successful it gets broken up. AA works hard, he just ain't scoring goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 20 May, 2022 As he was marketed as ings replacement guess it makes sense to compare stats? Seems the club knew we had had the best out of ings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 Shane Long v0.1. How we have managed to downgrade there beggars belief really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Turkish said: ridiclous if true, unless he's shrunk since we signed him especially ridiculous if we expect him to be back in our box defending corners - he should be left up the field ready to counter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 18 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: especially ridiculous if we expect him to be back in our box defending corners - he should be left up the field ready to counter You'd think so, but RalphBall looks to optimise some strange things. See Salisu long throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 May, 2022 Share Posted 20 May, 2022 He's awful, mixed with a combination of losing his place in the team and never really regaining it. He's the most wasteful striker I've ever seen. Doesn't read the game very well, isn't a threat in the box which is why when he plays he's never in it. He's nowhere near good enough to play in this league and probably won't ever be. Wouldn't surprise me if we try and shift him this summer, and we should IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 May, 2022 Share Posted 27 May, 2022 On 20/05/2022 at 10:23, AlexLaw76 said: He has missed a couple of easy chances. Man united at home springs to mind ...but not as many as Shane Long . Pretty sure that SL holds the club record in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1140240011?-11205:798:tt_central_top#out Totally agree. We do not play to his strength unless we change our current strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 6 minutes ago, HKsaint said: https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1140240011?-11205:798:tt_central_top#out Totally agree. We do not play to his strength unless we change our current strategy. Agreed as well. The vision and quality of incisive passing from our attacking midfielders is very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 Why the hell did we sign him, when we clearly cannot play to his strengths? I thought we were supposed to be a well run club, post Les Reed et al? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 2 hours ago, benali-shorts said: Agreed as well. The vision and quality of incisive passing from our attacking midfielders is very poor. Been like that since Tadic left. The amount of times Broja’s runs went unnoticed last season was shameful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 August, 2022 Share Posted 10 August, 2022 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Why the hell did we sign him, when we clearly cannot play to his strengths? I thought we were supposed to be a well run club, post Les Reed et al? Maybe they thought they saw some raw attributes in him, and expected him to be able to adapt slightly. Not like we're suddenly playing long ball football and crossing it in for him. Ings didn't struggle, but he also was miles better than Adam Armstrong. Fact is he's nowhere near good enough in this league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 12 August, 2022 Share Posted 12 August, 2022 Probably worth keeping now as he’ll be great in the Championship for us next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 12 August, 2022 Share Posted 12 August, 2022 Or be a good fit for Watford if they lose Sarr and Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 August, 2022 Share Posted 12 August, 2022 4 minutes ago, danjosaint said: Or be a good fit for Watford if they lose Sarr and Dennis This is what you'll start to see happening now. Teams in the champ will start to see their better players picked off, so clubs will be in the market for replacements and may get desperate towards the end of the window. Armstrong will probably be high in some clubs thoughts seeing what he did in the Champ previously. I think Watford are going for Villa's Davis though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 August, 2022 Share Posted 12 August, 2022 On 10/08/2022 at 14:45, AlexLaw76 said: Why the hell did we sign him, when we clearly cannot play to his strengths? I thought we were supposed to be a well run club, post Les Reed et al? I think we are (administratively speaking) but the real problem is that after Reed and Wilson departed we were left with all their lousy signings on long contracts and large salaries cluttering up the place, and there were no extra funds to bring in more talent until our new owners arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 Has come out and said the speculation of him leaving is not true and that he wants to stay next season... So do you see a way back for him? Personally, I think given he has proven his ability to score goals at this level, we'd be mad to shift him on without taking a look at the very least. Clearly, he's void of confidence and imo 'found his level' in the championship. But could he be our Billy Sharpe / Teemu Puki? Martin seems to like his strikers to play between the CB's, run in behind and stretch the play. He started last season with Obafemi as his number 9 (well up until January), who has a similar profile to AA - all be it maybe a little less physically imposing. Perhaps AA will suit this new style more so than the shite we're dishing up at the minute - which I think 90% of strikers in the world would struggle with. Given we need such reform across the whole of the pitch, is this possibly an area where we can save some £..? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 On 20/05/2022 at 06:02, Convict Colony said: think he needs our team to be able to create chances before we can judge A year on and still creating little 🤦♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 Personally I think he’s been poor but that doesn’t necessarily all come down to him. I’d like him to stay not least because he wants to as well - how many rats will be jumping this sinking ship just because they can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dman said: Has come out and said the speculation of him leaving is not true and that he wants to stay next season... So do you see a way back for him? Personally, I think given he has proven his ability to score goals at this level, we'd be mad to shift him on without taking a look at the very least. Clearly, he's void of confidence and imo 'found his level' in the championship. But could he be our Billy Sharpe / Teemu Puki? Martin seems to like his strikers to play between the CB's, run in behind and stretch the play. He started last season with Obafemi as his number 9 (well up until January), who has a similar profile to AA - all be it maybe a little less physically imposing. Perhaps AA will suit this new style more so than the shite we're dishing up at the minute - which I think 90% of strikers in the world would struggle with. Given we need such reform across the whole of the pitch, is this possibly an area where we can save some £..? With the drop in quality of opponents and Martin's preference to dominate and have his strikers making runs for, God forbid, progressive passes - he could play a role. The question at this point is really whether he is the same player and whether he and the club both want to work at it over the summer. He wouldn't be one of the names I am pushing out the door immediately and I suspect he'll be around for pre-season at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 (edited) If I had to choose him or Adams to play through the middle I’d pick Adams because even if neither are prolific Adams ability in other aspects of his game would/could be very useful to Martins set up I don’t personally see much of a way back for AA, he hasn’t shown me any indication of ability from what Ive seen, he’s lightweight, isn’t an intelligent runner, is not progressive on the ball… he is effectively a poacher and he’s failed at that.. and I appreciate Im being pretty scathing of him but I’d suggest if we are hanging our hat on him coming good we’re in trouble This is his underlying stats by the way… he’s just an awful footballer Edited 22 May, 2023 by Smirking_Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhitey Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 Perhaps he can play a part next year. Strikers play well when confident and not when in and out of a team in various wrong positions. I would rather give him a chance than spend budget on another unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 he had a better than 1 in 3 scoring rate at Blackburn and is therefore proven and effective at championship level. if you base any players ability on our last couple of seasons then barely anyone would make the cut. i think he will be a real asset next season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 He's been an awful signing for us from the start. Utter waste of money. Thought he's looked ok when we were playing a front 3 with him on the left, but he has zero goal threat. He'll only be an asset next season if we play 2 up front IMO, but I'd be looking to offload him. His missus was definitely looking for houses in Ipswich area, but whether that was becuase of general interest, or whether something is more concrete we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 12 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said: If I had to choose him or Adams to play through the middle I’d pick Adams because even if neither are prolific Adams ability in other aspects of his game would/could be very useful to Martins set up I don’t personally see much of a way back for AA, he hasn’t shown me any indication of ability from what Ive seen, he’s lightweight, isn’t an intelligent runner, is not progressive on the ball… he is effectively a poacher and he’s failed at that.. and I appreciate Im being pretty scathing of him but I’d suggest if we are hanging our hat on him coming good we’re in trouble This is his underlying stats by the way… he’s just an awful footballer Is this his 'stats' from the Championship or PL though? I think all would agree that at PL level he's not and will never be good enough. Also, pretty harsh judging a poachers ability on stats from a team who create the square root of fuck all. FWIW - I think if we can keep him and Adams with a bit of creativity behind them, we'd be more than fine next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dman said: Is this his 'stats' from the Championship or PL though? I think all would agree that at PL level he's not and will never be good enough. Also, pretty harsh judging a poachers ability on stats from a team who create the square root of fuck all. FWIW - I think if we can keep him and Adams with a bit of creativity behind them, we'd be more than fine next season. Admittedly its from the prem, but Ive still not really seen a lot that fills me with confidence He’s been out of the Championship for 2 years ? And for 2 years its just not worked, I find it unlikely tbh that he’ll rekindle his form here now… generally when players are out of form for a long period of time they tend to need to find themselves a new club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 (edited) I think there’s a player in there somewhere at that level. Unfortunately his confidence is shot and I think as well as dropping a level he also needs a complete change of scenery. I think our coaching/playing style is pretty culpable in his regression and loss of form/confidence. I think that applies to quite a few of our squad unfortunately. I think it’s too far gone for Adam here for it to be worthwhile persevering but obviously that’s just my opinion Edited 22 May, 2023 by Chewy Typi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 It's easy to say he will score at Champ level because he's done it before, but I'm not sure at all. Even without stats, you can see that he is a truly terrible footballer. His touch is up there with the worst I've ever seen, he can't bring others into play, he has no physical presence (through no fault of his own) and his finishing is constantly snatched. I'd be in favour of a clean break. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 2 seasons has done nothing....... Next!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 His form with us has been atrocious. It’s a big gamble to expect he will replicate his Blackburn form and be our main goal source. I wonder what style Blackburn played when he did so well, does anyone know? The trouble is we are going to lose a lot of players and when rebuilding a team, it might be useful to keep him around for the season given his championship experience. However in an ideal world I think moving on would suit both parties. You just know if we sold him to Ipswich he’d score against us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 22 May, 2023 Share Posted 22 May, 2023 17 minutes ago, ally_uk said: 2 seasons has done nothing....... Next!!! We are now at his level 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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