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[whelk]

All in it together 

 

[AlexLaw76]

There is every chance we are at serious risk of France reducing/cutting off supply to the UK, as their internal divisions come front and centre in their political discourse.

Of course, BREXIT will be blamed, along with the Tories and solutions like 'talk to France' will be shouted.  Reality is, Winter is going to be f-ing grim due to the insane wholesale costs of energy.  This, coupled with the pathetic long-term energy policy decisions taken 15-20 years ago, along with the more recent move to not frack in this country.

 

Edited 27 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

Fracking would not produce anywhere near the amount of gas that used to be projected, and is environmentally disastrous. ( As well as simply kicking the can of weaning ourselves off fossil fuel down the road ).

[AlexLaw76]

  On 27/08/2022 at 16:32, badgerx16 said:

Fracking would not produce anywhere near the amount of gas that used to be projected, and is environmentally disastrous. ( As well as simply kicking the can of weaning ourselves off fossil fuel down the road ).

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You are correct, but if it was part of a strategic long-term plan, it would have helped.  Unlike the shit-state we are in today,

[badgerx16]

  On 27/08/2022 at 16:33, AlexLaw76 said:

You are correct, but if it was part of a strategic long-term plan, it would have helped.  Unlike the shit-state we are in today,

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How long have you lived in the UK ?

[saint1977]

  On 27/08/2022 at 16:22, AlexLaw76 said:

There is every chance we are at serious risk of France reducing/cutting off supply to the UK, as their internal divisions come front and centre in their political discourse.

Of course, BREXIT will be blamed, along with the Tories and solutions like 'talk to France' will be shouted.  Reality is, Winter is going to be f-ing grim due to the insane wholesale costs of energy.  This, coupled with the pathetic long-term energy policy decisions taken 15-20 years ago, along with the more recent move to not frack in this country.

 

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There were pathetic decisions taken on energy - this Times article makes it 100% clear they are within the last 10 years https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-decade-of-energy-failures-fz35xxplw

Labour energy policy had its faults too but some stinkers in there from Cameron and Boris which are hitting us hard now. It doesn’t help when you have a very inexperienced Tory populist leadership candidate (Truss) stoking arguments with Macron to show off for 160000 zealots (moderates left Tory membership years ago) but not a leading factor. There was a lot of heavy investment into marine renewables, offshore and wind in Cornwall from EU ERDF funds. Shared Prosperity Fund not kicking until 2025 by comparison, not going to secure energy supplies for a so-called scientific superpower. So yes, Brexit hasn’t helped again but no one can demonstrable a single material example where it has helped anything or anyone, apart from Putin and Crispin Odey’s already swollen bank balance.

Biggest factor of the lot now is the German-Russian pipeline which has ruptured the wholesale market. Madness after Putin’s actions of last 10 years.

Edited 28 August, 2022 by saint1977

[whelk]

  On 27/08/2022 at 05:51, Weston Super Saint said:

Money made from the sale of Chelsea (which was allegedly all going to Ukraine) : £2.5bn.  So in real terms it is yet to 'cost' us a penny....

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The reference was to the knock on effects to all our energy bills not direct govt aid. 

[AlexLaw76]

Hitting your bank balance further, in just a little while.

On the back of this, Germany are proposing the national veto is removed within the EU.  I wonder why?

[AlexLaw76]

Freezing to death this winter will be worth it, right?

from the WSJ

 

Edited 29 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

Alexei, should Putin be allowed to get away with his expansionism ? Simple yes or no.

[AlexLaw76]

  On 29/08/2022 at 22:41, badgerx16 said:

Alexei, should Putin be allowed to get away with his expansionism ? Simple yes or no.

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As I have said waaaay further up.  The most corrupt country in Europe settling an historical fight with the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe (which is not part of NATO) - given our own history, both long and recent - is not worth getting knee-deep in like we are.  So much so, which will severely impact millions of British citizens.  Many, irreversibly.

You can say we 'must stop Russia', but NATOs own borders do that, very far from here. 

Edited 30 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[skintsaint]

  On 30/08/2022 at 05:33, AlexLaw76 said:

As I have said waaaay further up.  The most corrupt country in Europe settling an historical fight with the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe (which is not part of NATO) - given our own history, both long and recent - is not worth getting knee-deep in like we are.  So much so, which will severely impact millions of British citizens.  Many, irreversibly.

You can say we 'must stop Russia', but NATOs own borders do that, very far from here. 

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[Weston Super Saint]

  On 30/08/2022 at 05:33, AlexLaw76 said:

As I have said waaaay further up.  The most corrupt country in Europe settling an historical fight with the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe (which is not part of NATO) - given our own history, both long and recent - is not worth getting knee-deep in like we are.  So much so, which will severely impact millions of British citizens.  Many, irreversibly.

You can say we 'must stop Russia', but NATOs own borders do that, very far from here. 

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You also said, waaaay further up that NATOs own borders wouldn't stop the mighty Russian Army and that their troops would be marching on good old blighty by Xmas.

I think you also mentioned that should we get into a bun fight with the mighty Russian Army our military would be wiped out in a weekend.

Edited 30 August, 2022 by Weston Super Saint

[AlexLaw76]

  On 30/08/2022 at 05:44, Weston Super Saint said:

You also said, waaaay further up that NATOs own borders wouldn't stop the mighty Russian Army and that their troops would be marching on good old blighty by Xmas.

I think you also mentioned that should we get into a bun fight with the mighty Russian Army our military would be wiped out in a weekend.

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I said OUR own military, the UK.  Given it has been criminally hollowed-out for 30 years.  We are in a state where gender/race is the most important recruitment factor (with the RAF anyway).  The Army is so small and the RN is scarily low in hulls (of which around 1/3 at best are operational at any one time).

Obviously, it is a different question if you throw in NATO (what that really means is the USA)

Edited 30 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 30/08/2022 at 05:48, AlexLaw76 said:

I said OUR own military, the UK.  Given it has been criminally hollowed-out for 30 years.  We are in a state where gender/race is the most important recruitment factor (with the RAF anyway).  The Army is so small and the RN is scarily low in hulls (of which around 1/3 at best are operational at any one time).

Obviously, it is a different question if you throw in NATO (what that really means is the USA)

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Is OUR military not part of NATO?

In what scenario would OUR military be going toe to toe with the Russians on OUR own?

[badgerx16]

  On 30/08/2022 at 05:33, AlexLaw76 said:

As I have said waaaay further up.  The most corrupt country in Europe settling an historical fight with the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe (which is not part of NATO) - given our own history, both long and recent - is not worth getting knee-deep in like we are.  So much so, which will severely impact millions of British citizens.  Many, irreversibly.

You can say we 'must stop Russia', but NATOs own borders do that, very far from here. 

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You would have been a real barrel of laughs in 1939.

[whelk]

God are we going to have this spineless cunt bleating all through winter about his bills? 

[whelk]

  On 30/08/2022 at 07:19, badgerx16 said:

You would have been a real barrel of laughs in 1939.

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Text book profile of a collaborator. No sense of sacrifice or any empathy for others.

[badgerx16]

  On 30/08/2022 at 07:42, whelk said:

Text book profile of a collaborator. No sense of sacrifice or any empathy for others.

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I can't help thinking that he would fit in well with this lot;

 

[badgerx16]

  On 30/08/2022 at 05:33, AlexLaw76 said:

As I have said waaaay further up.  The most corrupt country in Europe settling an historical fight with the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe (which is not part of NATO) - 

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How far down the corruption league table does a country have to be before you stand up for them?

[aintforever]

  On 30/08/2022 at 05:33, AlexLaw76 said:

As I have said waaaay further up.  The most corrupt country in Europe settling an historical fight with the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe (which is not part of NATO) - given our own history, both long and recent - is not worth getting knee-deep in like we are.  So much so, which will severely impact millions of British citizens.  Many, irreversibly.

You can say we 'must stop Russia', but NATOs own borders do that, very far from here. 

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You actually think it would be a good idea to let Russia take Ukraine and just hope they stop there. Wow.

[AlexLaw76]

  On 29/08/2022 at 15:56, AlexLaw76 said:

Hitting your bank balance further, in just a little while.

On the back of this, Germany are proposing the national veto is removed within the EU.  I wonder why?

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To expand further......

If this trends continues, the continent of Europe will have to make a significant choice, or it will likely suffer dire consequences;

1. Do a deal with Russia

2. Accept depression - inducing demand destruction that brings demand back in line with supply.

3. Take on enormous masses of additional debt to mitigate the worst, and hope for the best (in a post covid world)

 

My guess, Germany pipe up first for option 1.

Edited 30 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

  On 30/08/2022 at 18:04, AlexLaw76 said:

To expand further......

If this trends continues, the continent of Europe will have to make a significant choice, or it will likely suffer dire consequences;

1. Do a deal with Russia

2. Accept depression - inducing demand destruction that brings demand back in line with supply.

3. Take on enormous masses of additional debt to mitigate the worst, and hope for the best (in a post covid world)

 

My guess, Germany pipe up first for option 1.

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So now you are an expert on International finance and German politics ?

Is there no beginning to your capabilities ?

[AlexLaw76]

  On 30/08/2022 at 18:23, badgerx16 said:

So now you are an expert on International finance and German politics ?

Is there no beginning to your capabilities ?

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I have just hopped from being a BREXIT, COVID and a General Election expert

[AlexLaw76]

Adams is bullying their CBs.  Yet (according to some stats), lost 100% of aerial duals against Martinez on saturday (bollox, I know)

[badgerx16]

  On 30/08/2022 at 19:16, AlexLaw76 said:

I have just hopped from being a BREXIT, COVID and a General Election expert

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Definition of 'expert' : X is the unknown, and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

[kyle04]

  On 30/08/2022 at 18:04, AlexLaw76 said:

To expand further......

If this trends continues, the continent of Europe will have to make a significant choice, or it will likely suffer dire consequences;

1. Do a deal with Russia

2. Accept depression - inducing demand destruction that brings demand back in line with supply.

3. Take on enormous masses of additional debt to mitigate the worst, and hope for the best (in a post covid world)

 

My guess, Germany pipe up first for option 1.

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The Japanese in WW2 would have been proud if this :

 

Fuck Russia and the cowards who appease them.

[RedArmy]

  On 30/08/2022 at 19:17, AlexLaw76 said:

Adams is bullying their CBs.  Yet (according to some stats), lost 100% of aerial duals against Martinez on saturday (bollox, I know)

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How is this going to save me money on my energy bills? 

[whelk]

Someone is ok

 

[buctootim]

  On 31/08/2022 at 15:48, whelk said:

Someone is ok

 

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The total additional energy costs to UK households is going to be around £40 billion in the next year. Shell, BP and Centrica made an additional £10bn in profit (ie £10bn more than the same period in 2021) for the past three months alone - oddly enough also around £40bn pa.   

Remind me again why a windfall tax is so much more immoral than letting kids and pensioners freeze. 

Edited 31 August, 2022 by buctootim

[whelk]

Boris Johnson’s got a decent kettle tip lads. Buy a new one for £20 and in two years time you’ll saved that back by reduction in electricity. Got the big calls right

[Tamesaint]

  On 01/09/2022 at 13:11, whelk said:

Boris Johnson’s got a decent kettle tip lads. Buy a new one for £20 and in two years time you’ll saved that back by reduction in electricity. Got the big calls right

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.... and if you can get someone else to pay for the kettle, like Boris would, you can make an even bigger saving.😁 

[Turkish]

  On 01/09/2022 at 13:11, whelk said:

Boris Johnson’s got a decent kettle tip lads. Buy a new one for £20 and in two years time you’ll saved that back by reduction in electricity. Got the big calls right

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I genuinely thought it was a wind up when I first saw it, you know one of those videos where they edit it to put his words from other speeches into one to make him sound like a dick for lols. Fuck me the bloke is beyond parody. Spend £20 on a kettle to knock £10 a year off your £4000 utilities bill is the words of a lunatic 

[kyle04]

  On 01/09/2022 at 13:11, whelk said:

Boris Johnson’s got a decent kettle tip lads. Buy a new one for £20 and in two years time you’ll saved that back by reduction in electricity. Got the big calls right

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In 2 weeks it will be caked in limescale from the shite water we have here and wont save you a penny. I can't wait for his latest money saving tip, probably something involving candles, socks and the genocide of elderly relatives.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 01/09/2022 at 14:02, Tamesaint said:

.... and if you can get someone else to pay for the kettle, like Boris would, you can make an even bigger saving.😁 

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That’s idiotic. If there’s one appliance that doesn’t waste energy it’s a kettle. All the energy goes into the water. Eventually.

[rallyboy]

If the kettle doesn't work we can always use the Truss suggestion for keeping drugs out of prisons - employ barking dogs to scare off drones...

If that's the level we're at, the next few months could be a very expensive and damaging comedy car crash that might even make the Johnson era look like a roaring success.

[whelk]

  On 01/09/2022 at 22:30, kyle04 said:

In 2 weeks it will be caked in limescale from the shite water we have here and wont save you a penny. I can't wait for his latest money saving tip, probably something involving candles, socks and the genocide of elderly relatives.

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Limescale can make a delicious sandwich and also full of nutrients (calcium and magnesium). 

[Picard]

  On 01/09/2022 at 22:46, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s idiotic. If there’s one appliance that doesn’t waste energy it’s a kettle. All the energy goes into the water. Eventually.

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Can you touch a kettle when the water is boiling?

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 02/09/2022 at 08:35, Picard said:

Can you touch a kettle when the water is boiling?

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I see what you’re saying. (hear?) 

Some kettles you can touch. Of course, in the winter any heat that escapes from the kettle goes into warming the house.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 02/09/2022 at 08:35, Picard said:

Can you touch a kettle when the water is boiling?

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Another £5 investment in a hot water bottle and thousands can be saved on heating.

Boris is a genius after all.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 02/09/2022 at 09:19, Weston Super Saint said:

Another £5 investment in a hot water bottle and thousands can be saved on heating.

Boris is a genius after all.

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Does anybody have any knitting plans for a kettle cosy? And some needles and a spare ball of wool.

[RedArmy]

  On 02/09/2022 at 10:03, Whitey Grandad said:

Does anybody have any knitting plans for a kettle cosy? And some needles and a spare ball of wool.

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Lewis Hamilton has got one going spare I think. 

[Turkish]

  On 02/09/2022 at 08:35, Picard said:

Can you touch a kettle when the water is boiling?

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Like licking a battery, You can but you’d only do it once

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 02/09/2022 at 15:24, RedArmy said:

 

Lewis Hamilton has got one going spare I think. 

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Thanks, but it's the wrong colour.

[AlexLaw76]

Social media is awash with pictures like this.  The person who published the below runs a very small business and will see their annual energy bill go from just shy of £3k a year to this.  Probably repeated countless times around the country, and it will be devastating.

Still, we are the winners right?

[ChrisPY]

  On 03/09/2022 at 19:12, AlexLaw76 said:

Social media is awash with pictures like this.  The person who published the below runs a very small business and will see their annual energy bill go from just shy of £3k a year to this.  Probably repeated countless times around the country, and it will be devastating.

Still, we are the winners right?

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Agree with your point  100%. We need to look at ways to reverse the consequences of Brexit and move back from the entrenched positions taken by so many.

[whelk]

  On 03/09/2022 at 19:12, AlexLaw76 said:

Social media is awash with pictures like this.  The person who published the below runs a very small business and will see their annual energy bill go from just shy of £3k a year to this.  Probably repeated countless times around the country, and it will be devastating.

Still, we are the winners right?

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What you talking about winners for you stupid cunt? You think there is an option for energy not going up and decision been taken for it to rise?

 

[kyle04]

  On 03/09/2022 at 19:12, AlexLaw76 said:

Social media is awash with pictures like this.  The person who published the below runs a very small business and will see their annual energy bill go from just shy of £3k a year to this.  Probably repeated countless times around the country, and it will be devastating.

Still, we are the winners right?

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Just been reading the twitter thread where this came from, it's quite disturbing (the tweet in question concerns a 22 cover small restaurant).

James Allcock on Twitter: "my current energy bill for my tiny 22 cover restaurant is £2,928 a year. This is my new quote. Unsure what to actually do next but as a business that cost would now be more than I pay in rent and more than I take some months. I simply don’t have the money for this. https://t.co/D8zPbOBNQI" / Twitter

 

[farawaysaint]

So with the latest news from Russia that gas supply will only resume after sanctions are revoked the price of gas has jumped another 30%.

I know that this is a crisis of Europe’s own making given that there were warnings about Russian dependence for years but bloody hell the politicians have cocked up. There’s no more wiggle room for the common man. 

[farawaysaint]

Our new prime minister intends to freeze energy prices which economists are saying will drop inflation back to 2% and shorten the expected recession. It will cost an eye watering 131bi of taxpayer funding though. At least it is a plan which is more than we have had for the last few months.