Guided Missile Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 It would seem only right that we should celebrate the greatest monarch this country has ever had. Unlike numerous presidents and dictators, Queen Elizabeth has never, ever put a foot wrong and continues to unite this country. Queen of the golden generation that will never be matched. What an example of selfless devotion and service to us all. Looking forward to the street party planned near us and to raising a glass to her on her Platinum Jubilee. I hope you are all planning something. We'll never see her like again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) The "greatest" Monarch ? I would suggest Elizabeth 1, or possibly Victoria. Edited 13 May, 2022 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 33 minutes ago, Guided Missile said: It would seem only right that we should celebrate the greatest monarch this country has ever had. Unlike numerous presidents and dictators, Queen Elizabeth has never, ever put a foot wrong and continues to unite this country. Queen of the golden generation that will never be matched. What an example of selfless devotion and service to us all. Looking forward to the street party planned near us and to raising a glass to her on her Platinum Jubilee. I hope you are all planning something. We'll never see her like again. Any excuse for a spot of daytime drinking eh? Just don't drink too much this time and make a fool of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 Already a royal family thread but this must be first thread he has started that I agree with. Good old egg is our queenie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 3 hours ago, badgerx16 said: The "greatest" Monarch ? I would suggest Elizabeth 1, or possibly Victoria. I only think Miranda Richardson of the first but shows the times that expect to see a monarch top 10. Can’t wait for Micah Richards’ list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) God save the Queen A fictional character 'saving' an unelected descendant of medieval warlords What an amazing inclusive message for a democracy that is! @Guided MissiIe 🙄 Edited 13 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Guided Missile said: It would seem only right that we should celebrate the greatest monarch this country has ever had. Unlike numerous presidents and dictators, Queen Elizabeth has never, ever put a foot wrong and continues to unite this country. Queen of the golden generation that will never be matched. What an example of selfless devotion and service to us all. Looking forward to the street party planned near us and to raising a glass to her on her Platinum Jubilee. I hope you are all planning something. We'll never see her like again. What has she done that couldn't be achieved as a republic? How has she 'united the country'? Cutting ribbons isn't particularly impressive! Edited 13 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 12 hours ago, badgerx16 said: The "greatest" Monarch ? I would suggest Elizabeth 1, or possibly Victoria. Henry VIII. Freed us from the yoke of Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 minute ago, ecuk268 said: Henry VIII. Freed us from the yoke of Rome. And set himself up as head of both Church and State. And remember, it wasn't an altruistic act, he needed a second divorce. If you want to consider the development of the CofE and removal of Catholic influence, his children Edward and Elizabeth did far more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 12 hours ago, badgerx16 said: The "greatest" Monarch ? I would suggest Elizabeth 1, or possibly Victoria. Nah, Alfred for me. does Winchester have a statue of the queen? I think I've proved my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 minute ago, kyle04 said: Nah, Alfred for me. does Winchester have a statue of the queen? I think I've proved my point. Alfred was never King of England, let alone Britain or the UK. Then again, he did institute the first version of the Royal Navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 Just now, badgerx16 said: Alfred was never King of England, let alone Britain or the UK. Then again, he did institute the first version of the Royal Navy. Still a king though. OK we'll put him at No.10 in the list. Henry V ? Taught those French a damn good lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 27 minutes ago, kyle04 said: Henry V ? Taught those French a damn good lesson. Died too young to really register - and ultimately his son lost nearly all of France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Died too young to really register - and ultimately his son lost nearly all of France. In at No.5 then, just because of Shakespeare/ Olivier? (Yes I'm out of my depth here admittedly). OK, Edward Longshanks surely?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 6 minutes ago, kyle04 said: In at No.5 then, just because of Shakespeare/ Olivier? (Yes I'm out of my depth here admittedly). OK, Edward Longshanks surely?? Not popular with the Scots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Not popular with the Scots. Badger, our very own Wikipedia 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Badger, our very own Wikipedia 😎 Every good republican knows his history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 Come on guys, this isn't even a debate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) A selection of Pratchettisms on the subject; "I'm going to have a word with young Verence,' said Nanny. 'He is the king, Nanny,' said Agnes. 'That's no reason for him to go around acting like he was royalty.' =========================================== "....she lived in hope, and prepared her granddaughter for a royal life by seeing to it, whenever possible, that Ermintrude was not taught anything that could possibly be of any practical use whatsoever" ====================================== "The city of Genua had run out of royalty, inbreeding having progressed to the point where the sole remaining example consisted mostly of teeth " ========================================== "Take the crown off a king and all you had was someone good at having a weak chin and waving to people" =========================================== “Royalty was like dandelions. No matter how many heads you chopped off, the roots were still there underground, waiting to spring up again." =============================================== It seemed to be a chronic disease. It was as if even the most intelligent person had this little blank spot in their heads where someone had written: "Kings. What a good idea." Whoever had created humanity had left in a major design flaw. It was its tendency to bend at the knees.” ================================================= “Royalty pollutes people’s minds, boy. honest men start bowing and bobbing just because someone’s granddad was a bigger murdering bastard than theirs was.” Edited 13 May, 2022 by badgerx16 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 Just now, Lighthouse said: Come on guys, this isn't even a debate... "The Spanish Infanta is not a virgin" "Oh, that's alright, only one of you has to be". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: What has she done that couldn't be achieved as a republic? How has she 'united the country'? Cutting ribbons isn't particularly impressive! I've heard that she thinks you are an utter twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 minute ago, CB Fry said: I've heard that she thinks you are an utter twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: What has she done that couldn't be achieved as a republic? Suceed her father as Monarch. Give birth to the future Prince of Wales, Duke of York, and Earl of Wessex. Edited 13 May, 2022 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Suceed her father as Monarch. Give birth to the future Prince of Wales, Duke of York, and Earl of Wessex. Well done to her for being born and giving birth. No-one else in our species has ever managed that before! Edited 13 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 15 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: "The Spanish Infanta is not a virgin" "Oh, that's alright, only one of you has to be". Again please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 37 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Come on guys, this isn't even a debate... All hail King Brian the Blessed, whose shouty voice can be heard around the Empire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 I was reading about Operation London Bridge recently, and thinking that it probably isn't too far away. Effectively everything stops, people go home from work (I bet I won't, I work on the Tube) and we enter into a period of national mourning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_London_Bridge She'll be a loss when she goes. I'm a Windsor man since birth so I grew up in the 'shadow' of the castle - though I will avoid the town centre for days when she does die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Well done to her for being born and giving birth. No-one else in our species has ever managed that before! Apparently it's an unbroken line of God's annointed Kings and Queens succeeding their parents all the way back to the Saxons. That is if you want ignore William the Bastard who invaded and stole the crown by force, William 3rd who effectively took over in a military coup, the whole mishegas of the Wars of the Roses, King James of Scotland, ( at that time a separate country ), following the childless Elisabeth 1, George 1 becoming King from position 51 in the line of succession, and even our current Head of State who was born as the first child of the "spare". Edited 14 May, 2022 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 The Queen has been a very good influence and always been there all my life. Sadly her grandchildren are not that smart. Id prefer as our head of state instead of what we might get with a republic, imagine characters like Boris, Corbyn, Rees Mogg or politicians like that being the position !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, OldNick said: The Queen has been a very good influence and always been there all my life. Sadly her grandchildren are not that smart. Id prefer as our head of state instead of what we might get with a republic, imagine characters like Boris, Corbyn, Rees Mogg or politicians like that being the position !!! But what power does the Queen actually hold ? Since the Glorious Revolution the true Political power has lain increasingly with the Prime Minister, so replacing an hereditary monarchy with a ceremonial President on a fixed term isn't that damaging. The main benefit of a republic would be to remove all the historical fluff, sycophancy, and arse licking that surrounds the mythical aura of "God's annointed". Edited 14 May, 2022 by badgerx16 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, OldNick said: 1) The Queen has been a very good influence and always been there all my life. Sadly her grandchildren are not that smart. 2) Id prefer as our head of state instead of what we might get with a republic, imagine characters like Boris, Corbyn, Rees Mogg or politicians like that being the position !!! 1) A 'good influence' on what? 2) Republics can vote for their head of state and kick them out after 4 or 5 years if they aren't doing a good job. The current situation leaves us stuck potentially with someone for 70 years due to fluke of birth. Why do you think the latter is a better situation? Edited 14 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 Just now, Matthew Le God said: 1) A 'good influence' on what? 2) Republics can vote for their head of state and kick then out after 4 or 5 years if they aren't doing a good job. The current situation leaves us stuck potentially with someone for 70 years due to fluke of birth. Why do you think the latter is a better situation? Imagine the meltdown if we had President Boris 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: Imagine the meltdown if we had President Boris 🤣 He'd need to be voted in and unlike a monarch we could kick him out by voting him out. We don't currently live in a full democracy in the UK. That is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He'd need to be voted in and unlike a monarch we could kick him out by voting him out. We don't currently live in a full democracy in the UK. That is a bad thing. You have totally missed the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Imagine the meltdown if we had President Boris 🤣 You are aware that Boris currently holds the most powerful position in the country ? He sets the Political agenda, he hires and fires the Officers of State, he controls the national economy, and can declare war if he so wishes, ( although nominally the latter is done in the name of the Queen ). What additional powers would being President give him ? Edited 14 May, 2022 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 19 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Imagine the meltdown if we had President Boris 🤣 Why would that be any worse than Prime Minister Boris? He is our “Big Dog.” Where was the meltdown when he was voted in as PM? I grant you though, if he stays in his job and gets re-elected, there will be a meltdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Why would that be any worse than Prime Minister Boris? He is our “Big Dog.” Where was the meltdown when he was voted in as PM? I grant you though, if he stays in his job and gets re-elected, there will be a meltdown Why? We live in a democracy, people should accept the result of a democratic vote. A big part of the problem in this country is people aren’t will to do that anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: You are aware that Boris currently holds the most powerful position in the country ? He sets the Political agenda, he hires and fires the Officers of State, he controls the national economy, and can declare war if he so wishes, ( although nominally the latter is done in the name of the Queen ). What additional powers would being President give him ? He could cut more ribbons 🎀 And open more mini curtains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Turkish said: Why? We live in a democracy, people should accept the result of a democratic vote. A big part of the problem in this country is people aren’t will to do that anymore Not entirely we don't! None of us apart from some one family descended from medieval warlords can become Head of State The unelected head of state technically still has some politcal powers, although unlikely to ever use them as it would potentially bring the monarchy down. Edited 14 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 20 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: You have totally missed the point What point were you trying to make then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Not entirely we don't! None of us apart from some one family descended from medieval warlords can become Head of State The unelected head of state technically still has some powers, although unlikely to ever use them as it would potentially bring the monarchy down. You'll have to point me in the direction of the democratic mandate achieved by a political party with a manifesto pledge to dismantle the current system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 Just now, CB Fry said: You'll have to point me in the direction of the democratic mandate achieved by a political party with a manifesto pledge to dismantle the current system. What do you think I said in that post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Not entirely we don't! None of us apart from some one family descended from medieval warlords can become Head of State The unelected head of state technically still has some politcal powers, although unlikely to ever use them as it would potentially bring the monarchy down. Which particular law has been enacted by the royal family, which you feel contradicts the democratic process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Which particular law has been enacted by the royal family, which you feel contradicts the democratic process? I did not say they had enacted a law. I said they technically still hold political power despite being unelected... thus our system is not fully democratic. Edited 14 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: What point were you trying to make then? I made it, you missed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 It seems to me that the Queen is more respected in the world than she is with some here. The most powerful people in the world want to sit and have tea, be seen with the Queen. They wouldn't with Corbyn or Boris etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I made it, you missed it What about my response was 'missing it'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, OldNick said: It seems to me that the Queen is more respected in the world than she is with some here. The most powerful people in the world want to sit and have tea, be seen with the Queen. They wouldn't with Corbyn or Boris etc etc. What has she done to achieve this 'respect'? What benefit does this respect bring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 Royal palaces in Republican France make more money from tourism than the royal palaces in the UK. More of the area of them being accessible to the public makes a difference. So a tourism boost to the economy clearly is not a reason to keep the current lot! We'd be better off doing what republican France does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: What has she done to achieve this 'respect'? What benefit does this respect bring? W hat harm does she do? What would be the benefit of not having her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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