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Holmes_and_Watson

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Most of the game was a capitulation to a second string Liverpool team. Our tactic of allowing them all the shots they wanted, on the off chance of a counter, let them grow into the game. When no counter ever appeared, we didn't change the tactic. We just let those shots come in until they got the goal. It's when things are clearly not working, that things should change. Instead we will always persist with a failing plan.

The timing of the subs, bringing on players who should have been starting, was far too late. We had a little late surge, as Liverpool dropped back a little. What a surprise, we looked much better. If only we'd been doing that earlier, if not throughout. No drive to take on the tiring Milner. Removing Broja for Adams still left us light up front, when chasing the game.

 

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woodsaint1

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They'll probably be patting themselves on the back after that. Happy days lads we got the narrow defeat that we hoped for. The negative mentality at the club starts at the top - get rid of Ralph and about 6/7 of that starting lineup and we might be getting somewhere for next season

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2 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Spineless, gutless, clueless a bunch of second rate losers that we will be stuck with next year. I can hardly bear to watch this fumbling amateurism any more. Right now we must be the worst team in the league. Please just quit Hasenhüttl and take Watson, Davis and your other bunch of clowns with you.

This. How do we get the message to him and the club?

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5 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Considering the general consensus was we'd get beaten by anything upwards of 6 goals (one particularly incontinent bed-wetter saying they would 'easily'  score 10), I imagine most people are quite pleased with that result?

The reason we didn't get hammered was that they sent their C team. Who the hell should be pleased with the fact that we can't even match their third string players who haven't played together before tonight.

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Baird of the land

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1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said:

Really, really poor.

I've come to the conclusion Ralph isn't the problem, it's the players. I want the squad overhauled.

A new goalkeeper, a new centre back, another winger and a striker the bare minimum

Don't know how anyone could look at how Ralph made the team approach the game and go its the squad's fault, not the useless coward in the technical area

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Teddeer

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5 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Had we given that a go we could have won that. Why no pressing anymore? Why just pass it around aimlessly waiting for Liverpool to score? Why not change anything when the went ahead? It was same old same old. Put on another striker and give it a real go? Not our Ralph.

Pathetic, get rid of him, he’s lost the players and run out of ideas. 

One word...fear. Instilled by Ralph.

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3 minutes ago, striker said:

went pretty much as I bet most of would have guessed. A depleted Liverpool side comes to St Mary's and grinds out a win. We just are not in their class.

Yep.

It's covered in white flags.

 

 

 

(I think someone on her said that before in fact).

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11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s 1-2 against Liverpool for crying out loud. This is a team which put 9 past Man United over both legs this season. Their players are much better than ours and will win four out of five. 
 

He gets continually slated for not changing from his 4-2-2-2, he does that, plays a 4-5-1 which is hard to break down and still gets slated. He gets slated for not starting Romeu but we haven’t been world beaters since he came on.

 

The guy can’t win.

The fact that we are losing I can accept, the way we are with no fight or passion I can't.

Surely it's the managers job to get them motivated to play their hearts out regardless how good the opposition is. 

 

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I can understand us surrendering the pitch to their first choice, but when they put that side out surely we should have taken heart and gone for it. That said, when we gave them space they tore us to bits. 

Everything about us is bad right now...

 

 

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Just now, Maury Dyer said:

What on earth will happen next season?. Something must change please. Is it Ralph or players or WHAT'S HAPPENED ?.

It's a combination of both. 

The football has just been really stale under Ralph for sometime and probably for the majority of his time here in truth. We've had runs where we've looked like we have the makings of a really good team but these awful runs we go on outweigh them. There isn't a good feeling surrounding the club at the minute, it's hard to see how this changes if Ralph gets the summer transfer window, he will still continue to be a pretty poor manager. His in game management has always been terrible, it isn't going to improve. 

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2 minutes ago, Maury Dyer said:

What on earth will happen next season?. Something must change please. Is it Ralph or players or WHAT'S HAPPENED ?.

The coaching team and set up suck out all the ambition and skill of the players. And they don’t care because they’re looking for the next opportunity. We need a manager that can instil pride, not one who before the game bangs on about what a great achievement it is to stay up. The twat. 

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Why did we have to play that? We should of just given them the points and not wasted Anyones time. No fight, no passion, no ideas, too much respect for their reserves, on the beach still! Is it me or do JWP ROMEO and  Armstrong play better TOGETHER yet the man at the top seems to not play them? Our defence is awful, panicky , our strikers toothless . We need a massive clear out including the manager, we are such a let down every season, there’s nothing, year after year. As soon as we get to nosebleed territory (6th) people leave us, why can’t we keep anyone that’s any good? It’s not right and it’s boring now. 

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4 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Had we given that a go we could have won that. Why no pressing anymore? Why just pass it around aimlessly waiting for Liverpool to score? Why not change anything when the went ahead? It was same old same old. Put on another striker and give it a real go? Not our Ralph.

Pathetic, get rid of him, he’s lost the players and run out of ideas. 

Not a Ralph fan at all but slinging two strikers on is how we played all year - CRAP! Two strikers is NOT the answer.

Coaching, organisation and energy are however. Ralph’s teams do not benefit from any of those. 
We must concentrate on keeping the ball and controlling games, two up front will NOT cut that! It leaves us too light in midfield. 

 

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The tactics weren’t great, and I’m still for a change of manager, but let’s be honest, the reason we lost is because the players are just not very good. 
 

No variation of the tactics will change the fact that we shit ourselves when in possession and can’t keep the ball for more than 5 passes. 

We lost because we had players who’s quality is far lower than the other team, despite it basically being their reserves. That’s how poor this squad is.

 

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7 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Really, really poor.

I've come to the conclusion Ralph isn't the problem, it's the players. I want the squad overhauled.

A new goalkeeper, a new centre back, another winger and a striker the bare minimum

Ralph had 10 days to set up that shitshow so he is vey culpable.

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Almost everyone said we'd be done, people were calling double figures or some ridiculously over the top predictions. We as fans obviously feared the worst and sadly it seems like the club feared the worst as well, so that team and that tactic was pretty much a damage limitation tactic. 

If we'd have opened that up and gone for it, we'd have been picked off for fun and it would have been an apocalyptic score line as some predicted. It was a weakened Liverpool team, but still...every single one of those players in that Liverpool team starts for us, so it's weak for them but still better than us. Most teams in this league are better than us, we are pretty much where we deserve to be.

Should the manager have been less passive? Maybe, but it just feels like a case of him being a loser with either approach. He was on a hiding to nothing tonight and it's not worth reading a great deal into it.

But what is clear, without any question, is that we have in the main  - bar 1 or 2 players - an absolutely horrific team of footballers and without significant changes in the playing squad, no matter who is manager, we are long gone and the fat lady will be singing by November I'd imagine.

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5 minutes ago, Maury Dyer said:

What on earth will happen next season?. Something must change please. Is it Ralph or players or WHAT'S HAPPENED ?.

Apathy

That and the acceptance of second best is good enough. The change of ownership has improved nothing thus far. Time for them to step up.

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Many had us relegated before a ball was kicked. We haven't, but people still not satisfied. We're a very poor side. Players aren't good enough but we're there for another season at least. So in a sense we've over achieved. Sure the pundits like Merse will come out say 'I fear for them' next season and the bookies will make us odds on to go down, but life goes on. Feel for all those posting on here who've seen more games than me this season and paid good money to do so. I'm assuming most of the bile on here is coming from you. On a personal note, how I started the season and how I ended it are poles apart, but what I have learned is that football, Saints, are insignificant when it comes to the really important things in life.

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I swear it doesn’t matter how long we’ve had to rest before a game compared to the opposition it makes zero fucking difference to us, we are the footballing equivalent of a flaccid cock.

With a stronger starting line up and a bit more intensity we could have got something tonight but no, super Ralph has to pull some names out of a hat and oversee another passive performance.

Yes I know I know it’s Liverpool blah blah blah but tonight was just another standard clusterfuck of boring, passive, uninspiring, clueless football, and I can’t stand this current saints side from top to bottom, coaching team included. St Mary’s is the most boring fucking ground in the league these days, about as intimidating as bouncy castle. Imagine getting a season ticket next year for more of that shite, to watch us sleepwalk to relegation. 

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7 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Don't know how anyone could look at how Ralph made the team approach the game and go its the squad's fault, not the useless coward in the technical area

Even with shit tactics, it’s still the players in the pitch playing and it’s still the players on the pitch who can’t string a pass together.

 

Don’t sit there making excuses for any of them, at the end of the day it’s them out there playing the football and they’ve been fucking shit at doing it for the majority of their careers and shirking the responsibility.

 

Manager needs to go, players need to go too.

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10 minutes ago, Saint Billy said:

 

 

The fact that we are losing I can accept, the way we are with no fight or passion I can't.

Surely it's the managers job to get them motivated to play their hearts out regardless how good the opposition is. 

 

Overall I think this board is far too harsh on Ralph, but I can't argue with this. You're right 😪

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Big summer ahead. I waver on if Ralph is the right man for us but the squad needs a fairly significant overhaul.

 

I felt bad for McCarthy getting stick but his distribution was abysmal, he has patches of good form here and there but if we go into next year with him as our no1 without serious competition I have real concerns.

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6 minutes ago, Nemi said:

let’s be honest, the reason we lost is because the players are just not very good. 

The thing is, we know these players CAN play well when their confidence is high (as per our top 6 form between mid-December and early March). The main problem IMO is inconsistency born out of fragile mindsets, which both the players and management are culpable for. 

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3 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Many had us relegated before a ball was kicked. We haven't, but people still not satisfied. We're a very poor side. Players aren't good enough but we're there for another season at least. So in a sense we've over achieved. Sure the pundits like Merse will come out say 'I fear for them' next season and the bookies will make us odds on to go down, but life goes on. Feel for all those posting on here who've seen more games than me this season and paid good money to do so. I'm assuming most of the bile on here is coming from you. On a personal note, how I started the season and how I ended it are poles apart, but what I have learned is that football, Saints, are insignificant when it comes to the really important things in life.

Passion, fight, guts and commitment cost not a single penny. We've seen precious little of these commodities for weeks. No excuses.

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12 minutes ago, Micky said:

My lord, an empty sms for the lap of appreciation.....

It's probably the perfect message to send, doing a lap of the pitch clapping empty seats. Think a number of our players realise they're not well liked by the fans, bad atmosphere at St Mary's with little rapport between players and fans 

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Just now, trousers said:

 The main problem IMO is inconsistency born out of fragile mindsets, which both the players and management are culpable for. 

I agree. And Ralph has shown time and time again that he has no way to arrest a slide of bad form. No real motivational skills at all. Nothing he is able to say to change the mindset.

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Big changes are needed over the summer. The new owners need to step up and deliver. Another game we were in the ascendancy and we somehow throw away. I stayed for the lap appreciation for Ralph and the players :) as that's what a proper fan does even though it's so frustrating at the moment. 

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